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[ShabbyDude]

Saccharine Death, on 19 January 2013 - 07:09 AM, said:

Welcome to Kaineng the new SBI/IOJ server.

Really don't get it.  If you couldn't hack it on SBI........why create a new SBI server guys ;p  You'll just raise this server up to the same point and be back in the exact same place with the exact same problems that you should have fixed instead of bailing the first time ;p

Sounds like you should have stuck it out and you could have inherited the IOJ folks along the way.

Why create another PRX server guys.  Oh wait, SoS did.

[STlNGER]

It took masses of loosers from early T1 days joining when we smoked them leaving to your servers to finally amass a big enough pile of...players to have a chance to begin with.

Doesnt matter how good you are once the chumps pile up high enough its not beatable without more numbers.

All the rough times we have seen and i have never had problem farming any foe when the numbers were "near" even and usually it was pretty doable vs twice our numbers.

[Earendil]

I have nothing but respect for you Mayoken, having followed you on SBI - I know you were a quality commander, always careful with the PuGs. Good luck on Kaineng.

However you said this : "We did not fail the server. They failed us."

Even if you think that - please don't say it. Let's just say it was a bad fit. Don't leave in anger.

[Jacbo]

We look forward to working with CO and the other refugees from SBI. We weren't aware there'd be others coming to Kaineng when we chose it, but it definitely makes us that much more confident in our decision. Hopefully over the next couple weeks the IoJ and SBI refugees, the natives, the existing alliance, and WM et al will be able to develop a solid community communique.

[Mayoken]

Well we really like this server so far

[Vihar]

I have had a lot of fun o Kaineng, and the guildmates that came with me love it.

   We are currently voting, and it is close.

   However, Kaineng is a rocking WvW server, with TONS of growth potential.

   Anyone who would rather help to build something than jump on something already established, Kaineng is by far the best option.

   Everyone knows Kaineng is in lower tiers, and rising fast.

   When this server cracks the top tiers, it will be an EPIC battle!

   Take it form someone thats been around.

   No achievement is worth as much as when you helped to make it happen. THIS is the place it will happen.

   If there are any individual players out there, guildless, or in a guild that doesn't do WvW with you...

   Kaineng IS WvW.

  The population there is there for one thing....WvW dominance.

    The participation is close to 100% of the community.

   NO other server can make that claim.

   If WvW is your game, and you want to be a part of the rise to Glory.....Kaineng is the only real choice.

[Falfyrel]

As a Kaineng player since launch, I have very mixed feelings about this mass wave of guild transfers.

One of the greatest things about the WvW on Kaineng was that we were the biggest underdog server in the game. We didn't fight to win: we fought to stand our ground as much as possible despite a virtually-nonexistent WvW population. Holding a supply camp was a BIG DEAL - capturing a tower was virtually unheard of. I still have fond memories of organizing a small raiding group of 4-5 people and flipping supply camps even as the other two factions controlled half of the map per side. And in many ways, this back-against-the-wall styled WvW was a heck of a lot of fun - frustrating since all your progress was ephemeral and you could never organize anyone enough to end up making a lasting effect. But then again, Kaineng's WvWing populace - what little of it there was - was unfathomably tenacious, bordering on masochistic. During a brief period where I transferred to Borlis Pass while it was in the bracket to get 100% WvW completion, I remember feeling nothing but respect for the Kaineng players I saw that did fight on.

Nowadays, the "old WvW" of Kaineng is beyond unrecognizable. We own 90-100% of the map at all times, there are hordes of coordinated guilds dominating everything in sight, enemy players are extremely difficult to find due to the teamstacking (and yes, it IS teamstacking, and no matter what the OP says this is a bandwagon)... It's nice being able to visit the jump puzzle whenever I want and get through without fear of enemy players, but more and more, I'm finding that it's nowhere near as fun as it used to be. There's extremely little satisfaction in knowing that your team is dominating the enemy so thoroughly that there's almost no fighting to be had, and even less in knowing that it was due to tons of teamstackers who got fed up with the higher tiers.

I've been considering transferring off the server onto some place like Sorrow's Furnace, and probably would have already had it not been for the social network I've built here. WvW just isn't fun anymore. There's no room to build a small raiding team to take out objectives because the dozens of commanders are spearheading things and oftentimes shouting out those that try to lead in their stead; there's nothing to raid since the commanders have already taken it; the extremely-outmatched feeling from before has been replaced with mindless zerging; and there's not even the satisfaction of "sticking it to the winning side" when you've already won your current tier matchup halfway through the week. It's nice winning for once, again; but I much preferred things the way they were, even if they were extremely unsuccessful.

Kaineng was special before because it was the underdog server. You didn't go to Kaineng to win, but it nonetheless offered a very genuine, unique WvW experience that many of the brave few on it chose because it wasn't the higher-tier gameplay. Who cares if we always lost and repair costs were through the roof?- that wasn't the point. The point was always defying the odds and attempting to succeed anyways.

Nowadays? Odds - they don't even exist. It's exactly what the old WvWing populace here wanted to escape from - dozens of high-profile commanders tossing orders around, mindless zerging, and the continually-growing assumption that you're only on the server to teamstack.

Please stop transferring to Kaineng.

[Mayoken]

As I am a recent transfer to Kaineng I want to let you in on a little secret. For those of us that had our home destroyed we need to find a server to go to. We did not want to join T1-3 servers for the reason of bandwagon. Our reason for coming to Kaineng was to build up our guilds, form new friends, and breathe a fresh air of an underdog community rising up through the ranks of the WvW media hub. We also recognized that Kaineng has a very strong oceanic and EU presence so you guys would be able to be online when we went to sleep unlike how it has been for us on Stormbluff the last 2 months.  We came here to provide our guilds with a good environment and a good atmosphere for them to prosper and grow. If we wanted to win all the time and dominate the world we would have gone to T1-3.


We are here to Kaineng to stay, and we come in peace.

[EvilSinzGW2]

Falfyrel, on 20 January 2013 - 06:14 AM, said:

As a Kaineng player since launch, I have very mixed feelings about this mass wave of guild transfers.

-- snip --

Ah c'mon, you get to go from being 'unique' to winning by 350k each week.  You are the map completion destination server!

Edited by unraveled, 20 January 2013 - 09:25 AM.
No need to quote the whole thing thanks.

[Mayoken]

Team Legacy is here as well. [Ph] is 99% transferring, [DA] is voting, [NK] is considering, any other guilds that people know about considering to join Kaineng?

[Voison]

Mayoken, on 20 January 2013 - 08:59 PM, said:

Team Legacy is here as well.

Yes we are and we love it so far.

[Babui]

Mayoken, on 20 January 2013 - 08:59 PM, said:

Team Legacy is here as well. [Ph] is 99% transferring, [DA] is voting, [NK] is considering, any other guilds that people know about considering to join Kaineng?

We already made the move. We won't be active in WvW as we used to be but will still be there every now and then.

[Nost]

Saccharine Death, on 19 January 2013 - 07:09 AM, said:

Welcome to Kaineng the new SBI/IOJ server.

Really don't get it.  If you couldn't hack it on SBI........why create a new SBI server guys ;p  You'll just raise this server up to the same point and be back in the exact same place with the exact same problems that you should have fixed instead of bailing the first time ;p

Sounds like you should have stuck it out and you could have inherited the IOJ folks along the way.

You don't get it?
Let me explain it to you.......
Stormbluff Isle had a great WvW community, but as most servers in this game experienced, the populations and coverage started dropping. Fractals and the other PvE crap started coming and people started doing those instead of WvW. The remaining WvW people got frustrated with a full server who were not participating and helping in WvW. So they left to find or create competition.
Now they are trying to re-group on servers who are full of people who like to WvW (like SOS) and not filled to the brim with PvEers.
Is it that hard to understand? You cannot be that simple minded.

Edited by Nost, 21 January 2013 - 05:56 PM.

[Falfyrel]

Nost, on 21 January 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

You don't get it?
Let me explain it to you.......
Stormbluff Isle had a great WvW community, but as most servers in this game experienced, the populations and coverage started dropping. Fractals and the other PvE crap started coming and people started doing those instead of WvW. The remaining WvW people got frustrated with a full server who were not participating and helping in WvW. So they left to find or create competition.
Now they are trying to re-group on servers who are full of people who like to WvW (like SOS) and not filled to the brim with PvEers.
Is it that hard to understand? You cannot be that simple minded.

Stop being an arse.

He has a point, anyways - PvEers who don't participate in WvW have minimal or no effect on the queue times or overall WvW participation, so if all of the WvWers on one server transfer to another without a PvE population, it makes no net change. In fact, I'd argue that the net change would be negative, because you're depriving yourself of a larger PvE population that may at some point become interested in WvW. This isn't an issue with the players or the distribution of them that want to participate in WvW, it's the simple fact that people are going to get bored of doing the same thing over and over again, and no matter if you hop onto a bandwagon or not, it's not going to change human nature. The only thing that could make a difference here would be the bandwagon/teamstacking effect - which I'd argue is definitely happening, no matter what the OP says, but I'll stop harping on that.

Besides - "competition?" Kaineng's been consecutively breezing past all WvW matchups for the past month or two with 10 times the number of points of the other servers. When Kaineng gets to where SBI used to be in the matchups, they're going to be faced with the exact same problems that caused them to migrate to Kaineng - including WvW fatigue.

Seriously, what the heck did he do to you? It looks like you're itching for a flamewar given your usage of bold/underlines and casual insults, so I probably won't bother responding after this. But seriously, calm down - he said nothing that would warrant such a bitter response.

[MrZero]

Falfyrel, on 21 January 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

Stop being an arse.

He has a point, anyways - PvEers who don't participate in WvW have minimal or no effect on the queue times or overall WvW participation, so if all of the WvWers on one server transfer to another without a PvE population, it makes no net change. In fact, I'd argue that the net change would be negative, because you're depriving yourself of a larger PvE population that may at some point become interested in WvW. This isn't an issue with the players or the distribution of them that want to participate in WvW, it's the simple fact that people are going to get bored of doing the same thing over and over again, and no matter if you hop onto a bandwagon or not, it's not going to change human nature. The only thing that could make a difference here would be the bandwagon/teamstacking effect - which I'd argue is definitely happening, no matter what the OP says, but I'll stop harping on that.

Besides - "competition?" Kaineng's been consecutively breezing past all WvW matchups for the past month or two with 10 times the number of points of the other servers. When Kaineng gets to where SBI used to be in the matchups, they're going to be faced with the exact same problems that caused them to migrate to Kaineng - including WvW fatigue.

Seriously, what the heck did he do to you? It looks like you're itching for a flamewar given your usage of bold/underlines and casual insults, so I probably won't bother responding after this. But seriously, calm down - he said nothing that would warrant such a bitter response.

There is a lot of pent up animosity that people want to vent. It has boiling since the Halloween event. There are several reasons why these posts are all over. How fast do you think a thread to air the grievances would get closed? Also, just look at some of the passive aggressiveness displayed in the posts by people that were or are part of SBI. It's only going to get worse.

[Nost]

Falfyrel, on 21 January 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

Stop being an arse.

He has a point, anyways - PvEers who don't participate in WvW have minimal or no effect on the queue times or overall WvW participation, so if all of the WvWers on one server transfer to another without a PvE population, it makes no net change. In fact, I'd argue that the net change would be negative, because you're depriving yourself of a larger PvE population that may at some point become interested in WvW. This isn't an issue with the players or the distribution of them that want to participate in WvW, it's the simple fact that people are going to get bored of doing the same thing over and over again, and no matter if you hop onto a bandwagon or not, it's not going to change human nature. The only thing that could make a difference here would be the bandwagon/teamstacking effect - which I'd argue is definitely happening, no matter what the OP says, but I'll stop harping on that.

Besides - "competition?" Kaineng's been consecutively breezing past all WvW matchups for the past month or two with 10 times the number of points of the other servers. When Kaineng gets to where SBI used to be in the matchups, they're going to be faced with the exact same problems that caused them to migrate to Kaineng - including WvW fatigue.

Seriously, what the heck did he do to you? It looks like you're itching for a flamewar given your usage of bold/underlines and casual insults, so I probably won't bother responding after this. But seriously, calm down - he said nothing that would warrant such a bitter response.

I apologize for coming across as an "arse", I'm just stating the reality of what happened on SBI (now happening on IOJ). It's fact, though you may not like it. Some people just don't like to hear the truth and by not saying the truth or dismissing it, believe it goes away.
Anyway, I apologize for my passion, but if you look at his insulting post towards CO for going to Kaineg, perhaps you can comprehend my points. The bold underline was to point out that there are full servers with people who do not WvW and the competitive WvW players find that frustrating.
His point (and yours) that people who don't PvP don't have any effect on the performance of a server in WvW is just completely false.
The WvW players in this game are doing what Anet should have done in the first place: Making PvP servers and PvE servers separate.

Edited by Nost, 21 January 2013 - 07:11 PM.

[Vihar]

When people start referring to "queue times" and SBI...credibility goes right out the window.

[Mayoken]

UPDATE: [AGNY] , [MS] , [EI] , [CRIT] have transferred to Kaineng as of last 48 hours.

[tluv]

Mayoken, aside from all the trolls, flames, and people upset about transfers, I miss playing with you. We were SBI. I remember following you all the time! Put now you are with Kain. I am with JQ. We are so far apart. I can't for day to face you and CO. Good luck buddy!

[Mayoken]

Thank you tluv, it's been great playing with you. I'll see you on the battlefield!

[Voison]

Mayoken, on 22 January 2013 - 09:59 AM, said:

UPDATE: [AGNY] , [MS] , [EI] , [CRIT] have transferred to Kaineng as of last 48 hours.

Oh boy! Kaineng is a powerhouse.

[Phaleia]

I would like to welcome CO and all the other new guilds to the Kaineng community. I think in general everyone is very excited to get more WvW focused players on board.

Cheers!

[Fannwong]

Really really good to see old (and new) faces fighting alongside with. /salute. Good hunting.

FW

[frags]

Voradors, on 18 January 2013 - 06:44 PM, said:

I dont understand why your only options were among three servers that dont need the help of a well established WvW guild.  

Ultimately your doing what you feel is best for your guild, like you said, but i cant help but wish more guilds would try to help balance more servers.

I concur. The 3 servers mentioned were and I quote: "Our options were either SoR, JQ, or Kaineng. In the end we chose Kaineng."

Blackgate was not in the equation?

[xarallei]

So many former IoJ folks on Kaineng now. And FA too. It will be weird having to kill you guys now. But I promise to give you hugs before you die.

[Azure Skye]

frags, on 26 January 2013 - 02:53 AM, said:

I concur. The 3 servers mentioned were and I quote: "Our options were either SoR, JQ, or Kaineng. In the end we chose Kaineng."

Blackgate was not in the equation?

or any of the damn server at all, there is more then SoR, JQ,Kaineng or Blackgate.

[lmaonade]

Mayoken, on 20 January 2013 - 06:35 AM, said:

As I am a recent transfer to Kaineng I want to let you in on a little secret. For those of us that had our home destroyed we need to find a server to go to. We did not want to join T1-3 servers for the reason of bandwagon. Our reason for coming to Kaineng was to build up our guilds, form new friends, and breathe a fresh air of an underdog community rising up through the ranks of the WvW media hub. We also recognized that Kaineng has a very strong oceanic and EU presence so you guys would be able to be online when we went to sleep unlike how it has been for us on Stormbluff the last 2 months.  We came here to provide our guilds with a good environment and a good atmosphere for them to prosper and grow. If we wanted to win all the time and dominate the world we would have gone to T1-3.


We are here to Kaineng to stay, and we come in peace.

what is the point of all that if you're going to dominate up to T3+ anyway? This is probably just a break for your guild if anything, since you'd only be gone from heavily competitive WvW for a maximum of 2 more weeks

Edited by lmaonade, 28 January 2013 - 03:13 AM.

[Mayoken]

It should be interesting now that they are resetting the "server points" for all servers.

[xycury]

Pretty hilarious to see everyone run from SBI thus destroying it... then everyone going to the same damn server.

If Anet wanted to balance WvW, there would be population limits on timezones and WvW queues.

It's really not fun to be on either side, long queues, dominate everything 100%.... or no WvW and being rolled on 100% of the time.


I think the balance of WvW would be the community to split their massive guilds up on different servers to raise all of them up.  Not rally on one server only because of short queue times to 100% it all.


One of the fundamentals of having a good time.... you might never know what's around the corner.  You could face some tough players, or maybe get shot down during a good couple of days, but having even teams make for a great game to watch and play.  Take a card from any sporting activity... it's not fun rolling or getting stomped, a back and forth rival always make the better game.

Good riddance to everyone leaving SBI...thank you for thinking of only yourselves. /bow

[Vihar]

Well, Mayo and my other Kaineng friends, February will be an interesting and exciting time.

   Hope to see you on the battlefield soon, Mayo!

   I'm going to try to kill you.

   Nothing personal. I still care. Even if you are dead. At my feet. With my mace buried in your skull.