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#1 victz_x

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:54 AM

1. Whose fault is it? WM? Anet? SF?

2. What are your plans? Watch it burn from a safe server? Ride the ship down to see old friends in low places, HoD and ET? Quit GW2?

3. Who will be the spiritual successor of the WvW server that once had the best attitude and spirit, even when not winning, of the whole NA community?

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:24 AM

View Postvictz_x, on 19 January 2013 - 03:54 AM, said:

1. Whose fault is it? WM? Anet? SF?

2. What are your plans? Watch it burn from a safe server? Ride the ship down to see old friends in low places, HoD and ET? Quit GW2?

3. Who will be the spiritual successor of the WvW server that once had the best attitude and spirit, even when not winning, of the whole NA community?

  The reason is that the handful of small to medium guilds could not compete. The WvW community was unsustainable.

  The SEA and EU crew were doing a good job, but then during the NA period, when our opponents were the strongest, SBI was at it's weakest, and all the work of the other time frames was undone in minutes.

  3 months the SBI WvW guilds stuck it out.

   When the end of free transfers came, they had to decide if there was any hope of the population of SBI coming back to WvW.

   They were told that when we dropped to T2, the other NA players would return to WvW. It was a lie, The NA guilds returned for 48 hours, and left us stranded again the rest of the week.

  This was confirmation that our WvW community had no growth potential, in the near or foreseeable future.

  People who play this game purely for WvW want a community just like everyone else. On SBI we were orphaned. There were a lot of forum posts, but nothing for material support or assistance.

   You can only run through the meat grinder every day for so many weeks.

   The WvW community didn't leave SBI. SBI left them...3 months ago.

   Each went their separate ways in search of like minded communities that they could be a part of.

  It became a choice.

  Let our guilds die, as members get demoralized and disappointed every day, or let SBI die in WvW.

  We made our choice.

Edited by Vihar, 19 January 2013 - 04:26 AM.


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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:32 AM

I like Jang Gun's decision to make WvW more interesting by creating their own alliance and server. And I think the leaving of WM is a healthy developement for SBI. Unfortunatly, this medecine seems too strong for SBI. As a player who will stay here, I wish we can finally get through this tremendous test.

Edited by Lyco, 19 January 2013 - 04:37 AM.


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Posted 19 January 2013 - 05:20 AM

SBI will be fine.

  First off, they will go along just fine without WvW competitiveness. Every other aspect of the game will be there, regardless.

  If SBI decides, as a community, they want to be a competitive WvW server, they have a high population and some rather large and established guilds that could turn it around in a day if they wanted to.

  Either way, SBI will be just fine.

   It's a good community, great people.

   They just don't have a large enough WvW community to sustain itself.

   But that is not a necessity, really.

If it was, none of this would be an issue.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 05:33 AM

View PostLyco, on 19 January 2013 - 04:32 AM, said:

I like Jang Gun's decision to make WvW more interesting by creating their own alliance and server. And I think the leaving of WM is a healthy developement for SBI. Unfortunatly, this medecine seems too strong for SBI. As a player who will stay here, I wish we can finally get through this tremendous test.

If you like competitive WvW you should probably bail before free xfers end.  SBI is on the ET/HOD path down to boring WvW.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 06:28 AM

Yup its gooing ot die because of bandwagon jumpies
I predicted this long time ago

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 06:37 AM

View PostTaram, on 19 January 2013 - 05:33 AM, said:



If you like competitive WvW you should probably bail before free xfers end.  SBI is on the ET/HOD path down to boring WvW.

Well, I like funny WvW with all the different servers who have thier own characters.

One thing that disapoint me in WvW is that TC does not role play when they in the battlefield !

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 06:52 AM

View PostVihar, on 19 January 2013 - 05:20 AM, said:

SBI will be fine.

  First off, they will go along just fine without WvW competitiveness. Every other aspect of the game will be there, regardless.

  If SBI decides, as a community, they want to be a competitive WvW server, they have a high population and some rather large and established guilds that could turn it around in a day if they wanted to.

  Either way, SBI will be just fine.

   It's a good community, great people.

   They just don't have a large enough WvW community to sustain itself.

   But that is not a necessity, really.

If it was, none of this would be an issue.

Lol awesome post for so many reasons.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 06:57 AM

Threads like these always get me in trouble.

Wall of text incoming.

Edited by MrZero, 19 January 2013 - 06:57 AM.


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Posted 19 January 2013 - 06:59 AM

View PostVihar, on 19 January 2013 - 05:20 AM, said:

SBI will be fine.
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Vihar, I always enjoye reading your posts on the forums and feel secured seeing you in the battalfield. I remember your analyses of warfare like " JQQ strategy" or your tactics of "Charges". I've even translated one of them into my own language on the forum of my guild. Hope one day I can see you again at the same front.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:13 AM

The SBI WvW'ers that are leaving should join Blackgate, if they want a fierce competitive WvW experience. Blackgate are also the underdogs of tier 1. They have a lot of great people and aggressive WvW'ers on there.

Sanctum of Rall isn't a bad option either.

Edited by Cirus, 19 January 2013 - 07:16 AM.


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Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:43 AM

View PostCirus, on 19 January 2013 - 07:13 AM, said:

The SBI WvW'ers that are leaving should join Blackgate, if they want a fierce competitive WvW experience. Blackgate are also the underdogs of tier 1. They have a lot of great people and aggressive WvW'ers on there.

Sanctum of Rall isn't a bad option either.

* Sanctum of Rall. You go there if it is so great.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 08:01 AM

Sorry to hear about SBI.

Every server who was bumped out of t1 at one point (no matter how long they were there) has died or is on life support with the plug already pulled! Except one....Blackgate didn't fall apart after making it to tier 1 and being kicked out.

Edited by pot, 19 January 2013 - 08:11 AM.


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Posted 19 January 2013 - 08:04 AM

View PostCirus, on 19 January 2013 - 07:13 AM, said:

Sanctum of Rall isn't a bad option either.

A solid chunk of SBI already did. MORD, SYN, NYS, YAKI, and a few others I'm forgetting are all going to SoR.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 08:19 AM

It's the entire sever community's fault and here is the truth as I see it.

SBI should have never lasted as long as it did. All the people who wanted to be leaders of the community couldn't get their shit together. Even in the early days when we started getting our asses handed to us by HoD, they would sequester themselves in meeting talking about what they were going to do. People like me who were "pugs" weren't allowed to know what was going on. Why you ask? Well, we could be spies. OK though, we'll let that go because obviously they were coming up with a plan to lead us into a new era of organization so we could hand TA their asses. Well that didn't happen.

They were happy to try and carve their place in GW2 history as The Server With No Major Alliance. There is absolutely no reason why SBI shouldn't have been able to beat HoD. In fact, TA was one of the biggest cheerleaders when it came to skill of the individual players of SBI. Organization was only one of the things that stopped us though. Another one of the hurdles was the flat out paranoia. Give me a *in break. On a borderland you can run from east to west in a little under a minute depending on your class. Norrth to South, a little over minute again, depending on your class. Are you seriously going to tell me when an outer gate on a keep goes down you aren't going to tell me where the * we are going next, even in a say? Oh hell yes you are because I might be a damn spy. So, instead of harboring and nurturing a community that is working on and communicating about a common goal, that community bred paranoia.

Let's talk about WM. Do you people honestly think the only reason WM left is because of a few whispers he got from some netnerds swinging their epeens? Remember all that shit that the person running around with Jang Gun and Bahaness was saying in English so you knew what the * to do? Well guess what smartass, he was translation all the spiteful, borderline racist shit you were saying. So yeah all those little jabs you were taking at them for communicating in their own language, message received. Did you know there were Asian guilds that wanted to join SBI after WM left? One of the reasons they decided to go elsewhere, the way WM was treated. When playing a game with a global playerbase, you are going to run into people who don't speak English as their native tongue. Some times these languages use different syntax and characters than your own. That is why their sentences read different than yours and they may word some things wrong. But guess what? They are trying, are you?

I understand more of many guilds decisions more now that we are in their position than I did when they left the server they were on. If WM was under only half the pressure we were for the last two months to keep the score up, it's a wonder they didn't leave sooner. I'm sure that there are other guilds out there that have had the same issue. Look people, you can't expect one guild to carry your whole server through a whole time slot. I think the most SF or LoD I ever saw online at one time was around 50. 50 people can't cap and defend 4 maps. You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect that and any guild that thinks they can do it is setting themselves up for the same thing. It reminds me of undergeared players that want to get carried through heroic dungeons and raids. Why not get off your ass and do something for yourself?

Now, where a guild is there own decision. No asshole outside that guild has any say in where it can go or when. Every guild has a damn good reason for the place they chose or choose to go. Ever think that the way they got treated in the past by a server effects that decision? What about your actions while they a re deciding? What about both? If people don't want to come to your server because of their reputation, maybe it is time to find a new server. You could try and change that attitude also. There will always be trolls and exploiters in every server in every game you ever play. Don't blame ArenaNet if you didn't leave when it was obvious you picked a supertroll/l33t hax0r server. Don't blame the playerbase if nobody wants to come to that server either. Maybe the server they went to was polite where your server was the place where everyone else said they should go. Because, you know, they are in the guild moving and know what is best for them. Ever think that maybe some people just spent 4 months trying to build a community and don't want to spend the time, effort and frustration to do it again for minimal rewards while getting shit on when things don't go the right way? And after all that, what if they go to "build a community" and then turn around and are deserted by a sizeable portion of the community. Maybe some guilds just want to go to a server where they can play to their strengths. Maybe find a server who's strengts and weaknesses compliment their own. Instead of joining a dictatorship. Server transfers have been free since release. There is plenty of blame to get spread around, some of it could be your own. Instead of whining about it, do something about it.

I know there are a lot of specifics in here, there are a lot of generalizations too. It isn't intended to be an indictment of SBI. There are a lot of servers out there that bitch and moan whenever a bunch of transfers happen. I've noticed the same servers always have the same lists of complaints every time. They have the same damn general attitude in between each time too. Some of you people act like nobody was sent out to other servers to see what the community was like there. That guy you are calling a spy, hacker or exploiter may be the guy from a guild that is looking for a new home. Remember when people were flipping out because they were seeing MMAC tags on other servers? Obviously they were spies not scouting a new home. (If you wanted MMAC on your server isn't a dicussion, just an example)

So, go ahead and sling all the mud you want. It isn't going to change anyone's mind about where they are going now. Those decisions have been made. Who knows, some of it could be smoke and mirrors trying to get your panties in a bunch. Maybe your response to what is going on now that transfers are ending is influencing someone right now as you read this. Shit man, you might have just pissed off a group of guilds that want to come to your home server because, hey, if you treated those guys that way, how are you going to treat those guys right there? And maybe if you actually read this wall of text and got pissed, you are part of the problem and not the solution that youthink you are.


I think I just totally jacked your thread victz. Didn't mean to go that far, I'm pretty sure you are just trying to start a convo.









Then again, it could all just boil down to the old mantra, "It just a game. STFU, play the game the way it's fun for you. Stop taking shit so damn seriously."

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 10:14 AM

View PostMrZero, on 19 January 2013 - 08:19 AM, said:

It's the entire sever community's fault and here is the truth as I see it.

SBI should have never lasted as long as it did. All the people who wanted to be leaders of the community couldn't get their shit together. Even in the early days when we started getting our asses handed to us by HoD, they would sequester themselves in meeting talking about what they were going to do. People like me who were "pugs" weren't allowed to know what was going on. Why you ask? Well, we could be spies. OK though, we'll let that go because obviously they were coming up with a plan to lead us into a new era of organization so we could hand TA their asses. Well that didn't happen.

They were happy to try and carve their place in GW2 history as The Server With No Major Alliance. There is absolutely no reason why SBI shouldn't have been able to beat HoD. In fact, TA was one of the biggest cheerleaders when it came to skill of the individual players of SBI. Organization was only one of the things that stopped us though. Another one of the hurdles was the flat out paranoia. Give me a *in break. On a borderland you can run from east to west in a little under a minute depending on your class. Norrth to South, a little over minute again, depending on your class. Are you seriously going to tell me when an outer gate on a keep goes down you aren't going to tell me where the * we are going next, even in a say? Oh hell yes you are because I might be a damn spy. So, instead of harboring and nurturing a community that is working on and communicating about a common goal, that community bred paranoia.

Let's talk about WM. Do you people honestly think the only reason WM left is because of a few whispers he got from some netnerds swinging their epeens? Remember all that shit that the person running around with Jang Gun and Bahaness was saying in English so you knew what the * to do? Well guess what smartass, he was translation all the spiteful, borderline racist shit you were saying. So yeah all those little jabs you were taking at them for communicating in their own language, message received. Did you know there were Asian guilds that wanted to join SBI after WM left? One of the reasons they decided to go elsewhere, the way WM was treated. When playing a game with a global playerbase, you are going to run into people who don't speak English as their native tongue. Some times these languages use different syntax and characters than your own. That is why their sentences read different than yours and they may word some things wrong. But guess what? They are trying, are you?

I understand more of many guilds decisions more now that we are in their position than I did when they left the server they were on. If WM was under only half the pressure we were for the last two months to keep the score up, it's a wonder they didn't leave sooner. I'm sure that there are other guilds out there that have had the same issue. Look people, you can't expect one guild to carry your whole server through a whole time slot. I think the most SF or LoD I ever saw online at one time was around 50. 50 people can't cap and defend 4 maps. You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect that and any guild that thinks they can do it is setting themselves up for the same thing. It reminds me of undergeared players that want to get carried through heroic dungeons and raids. Why not get off your ass and do something for yourself?

Now, where a guild is there own decision. No asshole outside that guild has any say in where it can go or when. Every guild has a damn good reason for the place they chose or choose to go. Ever think that the way they got treated in the past by a server effects that decision? What about your actions while they a re deciding? What about both? If people don't want to come to your server because of their reputation, maybe it is time to find a new server. You could try and change that attitude also. There will always be trolls and exploiters in every server in every game you ever play. Don't blame ArenaNet if you didn't leave when it was obvious you picked a supertroll/l33t hax0r server. Don't blame the playerbase if nobody wants to come to that server either. Maybe the server they went to was polite where your server was the place where everyone else said they should go. Because, you know, they are in the guild moving and know what is best for them. Ever think that maybe some people just spent 4 months trying to build a community and don't want to spend the time, effort and frustration to do it again for minimal rewards while getting shit on when things don't go the right way? And after all that, what if they go to "build a community" and then turn around and are deserted by a sizeable portion of the community. Maybe some guilds just want to go to a server where they can play to their strengths. Maybe find a server who's strengts and weaknesses compliment their own. Instead of joining a dictatorship. Server transfers have been free since release. There is plenty of blame to get spread around, some of it could be your own. Instead of whining about it, do something about it.

I know there are a lot of specifics in here, there are a lot of generalizations too. It isn't intended to be an indictment of SBI. There are a lot of servers out there that bitch and moan whenever a bunch of transfers happen. I've noticed the same servers always have the same lists of complaints every time. They have the same damn general attitude in between each time too. Some of you people act like nobody was sent out to other servers to see what the community was like there. That guy you are calling a spy, hacker or exploiter may be the guy from a guild that is looking for a new home. Remember when people were flipping out because they were seeing MMAC tags on other servers? Obviously they were spies not scouting a new home. (If you wanted MMAC on your server isn't a dicussion, just an example)

So, go ahead and sling all the mud you want. It isn't going to change anyone's mind about where they are going now. Those decisions have been made. Who knows, some of it could be smoke and mirrors trying to get your panties in a bunch. Maybe your response to what is going on now that transfers are ending is influencing someone right now as you read this. Shit man, you might have just pissed off a group of guilds that want to come to your home server because, hey, if you treated those guys that way, how are you going to treat those guys right there? And maybe if you actually read this wall of text and got pissed, you are part of the problem and not the solution that youthink you are.


I think I just totally jacked your thread victz. Didn't mean to go that far, I'm pretty sure you are just trying to start a convo.









Then again, it could all just boil down to the old mantra, "It just a game. STFU, play the game the way it's fun for you. Stop taking shit so damn seriously."

As a native from dragonbrand to SOS(when sos was in T4).  I Totally understand all you say, but It would of been much better if u joined SOS, rather than JQ ;p

No need to explain yourself on why u guys transfered, most of us done it already, the game play is on a higher lvl in T1 and more fun.  Some think server pride is where it is at, i tried that logic for years on other games(daoc/warhammer) just to be disappointed.  Take the fun in a game while the getting is good!  They all disappear in time.

Edited by Zhrek, 19 January 2013 - 10:44 AM.


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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:14 PM

View PostMrZero, on 19 January 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

* Sanctum of Rall. You go there if it is so great.

If for whatever reason I was looking to move servers for WvW, I would move to Sanctum of Rall or Blackgate.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:45 PM

View PostZhrek, on 19 January 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:

As a native from dragonbrand to SOS(when sos was in T4).  I Totally understand all you say, but It would of been much better if u joined SOS, rather than JQ ;p

No need to explain yourself on why u guys transfered, most of us done it already, the game play is on a higher lvl in T1 and more fun.  Some think server pride is where it is at, i tried that logic for years on other games(daoc/warhammer) just to be disappointed.  Take the fun in a game while the getting is good!  They all disappear in time.

It was less a commentary on why we left and more a comment on why people, in general, leave. As to pride, loyalty, honor and all that...

I personally, don't think people really know what that shit means. It's like they read it in a fantasy novel and that defined those terms for them.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:46 PM

Too much anger in you. Too much sadness behind. You made the right choice by transferring, Noone on SBI hates you for that - we're just sad and when it hurts, undeserved anger comes out. Don't try to make like SBI rejected/pushed you away in order to make your own sadness go away - works in the short term not in the long term. "anger leads to hate - hate leads to suffering".

It was not WM or SF's fault, it was not the fault of the "WvW community". It it ANets "fault" for building a game where the dedicated PvP guilds are ignored/rejected. Everything they did was designed to support the "casual WvWer". I have little expectations for it to be different in February.

So instead on throwing anger at each other, let us remember all the awesome good times we had together, those magical moments - and we have video proof. Let's live our sadness, do our grieving over the SBI that we dreamed of and will never be.Not because of "us" or "you" - because of Anet's business plan.

You need to make peace with leaving SBI - otherwise it will be hard to find what you hope to find on JQ and you will end up needing to live your grieving over the GW2 you dreamed of. And that would be sad.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:46 PM

View PostGlobal_GW2, on 19 January 2013 - 08:04 AM, said:

A solid chunk of SBI already did. MORD, SYN, NYS, YAKI, and a few others I'm forgetting are all going to SoR.

ORLY

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:52 PM

There were times when chat was horrible in wvw.. more recently I guess- but it was usually 1 person being a total troll and names I did not recognize. But I find it hard to believe that that will not happen on the larger servers as well.. especially with all the new intake of people they are getting. Hope it works out though and you get what you are looking for. I will be staying with sbi mainly because I don't have a reason to move. I do wvw but not seriously enough to make it a server determining factor, I can do pve through guesting or gw2lfg.com if for some reason sbi does become a ghost town- which I doubt. The guild influence to me is not worth restarting- especially since they are adding new things. Took us since 1 month after release to get all the unlocks we have lol :P

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:40 PM

View PostMrZero, on 19 January 2013 - 08:19 AM, said:

It's the entire sever community's fault and here is the truth as I see it.

SBI should have never lasted as long as it did. All the people who wanted to be leaders of the community couldn't get their shit together. Even in the early days when we started getting our asses handed to us by HoD, they would sequester themselves in meeting talking about what they were going to do. People like me who were "pugs" weren't allowed to know what was going on. Why you ask? Well, we could be spies. OK though, we'll let that go because obviously they were coming up with a plan to lead us into a new era of organization so we could hand TA their asses. Well that didn't happen.

They were happy to try and carve their place in GW2 history as The Server With No Major Alliance. There is absolutely no reason why SBI shouldn't have been able to beat HoD. In fact, TA was one of the biggest cheerleaders when it came to skill of the individual players of SBI. Organization was only one of the things that stopped us though. Another one of the hurdles was the flat out paranoia. Give me a *in break. On a borderland you can run from east to west in a little under a minute depending on your class. Norrth to South, a little over minute again, depending on your class. Are you seriously going to tell me when an outer gate on a keep goes down you aren't going to tell me where the * we are going next, even in a say? Oh hell yes you are because I might be a damn spy. So, instead of harboring and nurturing a community that is working on and communicating about a common goal, that community bred paranoia.

Let's talk about WM. Do you people honestly think the only reason WM left is because of a few whispers he got from some netnerds swinging their epeens? Remember all that shit that the person running around with Jang Gun and Bahaness was saying in English so you knew what the * to do? Well guess what smartass, he was translation all the spiteful, borderline racist shit you were saying. So yeah all those little jabs you were taking at them for communicating in their own language, message received. Did you know there were Asian guilds that wanted to join SBI after WM left? One of the reasons they decided to go elsewhere, the way WM was treated. When playing a game with a global playerbase, you are going to run into people who don't speak English as their native tongue. Some times these languages use different syntax and characters than your own. That is why their sentences read different than yours and they may word some things wrong. But guess what? They are trying, are you?

I understand more of many guilds decisions more now that we are in their position than I did when they left the server they were on. If WM was under only half the pressure we were for the last two months to keep the score up, it's a wonder they didn't leave sooner. I'm sure that there are other guilds out there that have had the same issue. Look people, you can't expect one guild to carry your whole server through a whole time slot. I think the most SF or LoD I ever saw online at one time was around 50. 50 people can't cap and defend 4 maps. You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect that and any guild that thinks they can do it is setting themselves up for the same thing. It reminds me of undergeared players that want to get carried through heroic dungeons and raids. Why not get off your ass and do something for yourself?

Now, where a guild is there own decision. No asshole outside that guild has any say in where it can go or when. Every guild has a damn good reason for the place they chose or choose to go. Ever think that the way they got treated in the past by a server effects that decision? What about your actions while they a re deciding? What about both? If people don't want to come to your server because of their reputation, maybe it is time to find a new server. You could try and change that attitude also. There will always be trolls and exploiters in every server in every game you ever play. Don't blame ArenaNet if you didn't leave when it was obvious you picked a supertroll/l33t hax0r server. Don't blame the playerbase if nobody wants to come to that server either. Maybe the server they went to was polite where your server was the place where everyone else said they should go. Because, you know, they are in the guild moving and know what is best for them. Ever think that maybe some people just spent 4 months trying to build a community and don't want to spend the time, effort and frustration to do it again for minimal rewards while getting shit on when things don't go the right way? And after all that, what if they go to "build a community" and then turn around and are deserted by a sizeable portion of the community. Maybe some guilds just want to go to a server where they can play to their strengths. Maybe find a server who's strengts and weaknesses compliment their own. Instead of joining a dictatorship. Server transfers have been free since release. There is plenty of blame to get spread around, some of it could be your own. Instead of whining about it, do something about it.

I know there are a lot of specifics in here, there are a lot of generalizations too. It isn't intended to be an indictment of SBI. There are a lot of servers out there that bitch and moan whenever a bunch of transfers happen. I've noticed the same servers always have the same lists of complaints every time. They have the same damn general attitude in between each time too. Some of you people act like nobody was sent out to other servers to see what the community was like there. That guy you are calling a spy, hacker or exploiter may be the guy from a guild that is looking for a new home. Remember when people were flipping out because they were seeing MMAC tags on other servers? Obviously they were spies not scouting a new home. (If you wanted MMAC on your server isn't a dicussion, just an example)

So, go ahead and sling all the mud you want. It isn't going to change anyone's mind about where they are going now. Those decisions have been made. Who knows, some of it could be smoke and mirrors trying to get your panties in a bunch. Maybe your response to what is going on now that transfers are ending is influencing someone right now as you read this. Shit man, you might have just pissed off a group of guilds that want to come to your home server because, hey, if you treated those guys that way, how are you going to treat those guys right there? And maybe if you actually read this wall of text and got pissed, you are part of the problem and not the solution that youthink you are.


I think I just totally jacked your thread victz. Didn't mean to go that far, I'm pretty sure you are just trying to start a convo.

Then again, it could all just boil down to the old mantra, "It just a game. STFU, play the game the way it's fun for you. Stop taking shit so damn seriously."

I think that explains a lot.  I think we have all seen good servers and pvp organizations collapse from stories just like that over the years.

My guess is that the more fair weather players were the ones causing the most drama.   Once they weren't winning, which had a lot to do with their own acidic actions, they couldn't be bothered.   I've had to kick worthless bastards like that out of my own guild.  

In the bigger picture, I've seen that crap in every game I have played since 2003.   I'd bet every dedicated pvpers has been burned by some extent by it as well.

May the better angels SBI's remaining community have fun with what they were doing in the first place.   May those wpvp guilds leaving find good homes and the structured support they never got.


/salute

#23 Dark

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:45 PM

Yes SBI is the next HoD, No it isn't only WM's fault, its anets, theres nothing you can do.

#24 ShabbyDude

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:50 PM

SBI didn't upgrade anything in the past.  They were just happy to play the flipping game.

#25 Earendil

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 05:35 PM

Can the trolls, even the "classy" ones, stay out of this ? We know you are dancing the happiness dance - but it's an internal SBI affair.

Its just like after a couple broke, the "lady friend" that keeps telling the guy how bad his GF was and how right he was to leave her. Nothing honest there, and nothing helpful.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 06:55 PM

View PostMrZero, on 19 January 2013 - 08:19 AM, said:

It's the entire sever community's fault and here is the truth as I see it.

SBI should have never lasted as long as it did. All the people who wanted to be leaders of the community couldn't get their shit together. Even in the early days when we started getting our asses handed to us by HoD, they would sequester themselves in meeting talking about what they were going to do. People like me who were "pugs" weren't allowed to know what was going on. Why you ask? Well, we could be spies. OK though, we'll let that go because obviously they were coming up with a plan to lead us into a new era of organization so we could hand TA their asses. Well that didn't happen.

They were happy to try and carve their place in GW2 history as The Server With No Major Alliance. There is absolutely no reason why SBI shouldn't have been able to beat HoD. In fact, TA was one of the biggest cheerleaders when it came to skill of the individual players of SBI. Organization was only one of the things that stopped us though. Another one of the hurdles was the flat out paranoia. Give me a *in break. On a borderland you can run from east to west in a little under a minute depending on your class. Norrth to South, a little over minute again, depending on your class. Are you seriously going to tell me when an outer gate on a keep goes down you aren't going to tell me where the * we are going next, even in a say? Oh hell yes you are because I might be a damn spy. So, instead of harboring and nurturing a community that is working on and communicating about a common goal, that community bred paranoia.

Let's talk about WM. Do you people honestly think the only reason WM left is because of a few whispers he got from some netnerds swinging their epeens? Remember all that shit that the person running around with Jang Gun and Bahaness was saying in English so you knew what the * to do? Well guess what smartass, he was translation all the spiteful, borderline racist shit you were saying. So yeah all those little jabs you were taking at them for communicating in their own language, message received. Did you know there were Asian guilds that wanted to join SBI after WM left? One of the reasons they decided to go elsewhere, the way WM was treated. When playing a game with a global playerbase, you are going to run into people who don't speak English as their native tongue. Some times these languages use different syntax and characters than your own. That is why their sentences read different than yours and they may word some things wrong. But guess what? They are trying, are you?

I understand more of many guilds decisions more now that we are in their position than I did when they left the server they were on. If WM was under only half the pressure we were for the last two months to keep the score up, it's a wonder they didn't leave sooner. I'm sure that there are other guilds out there that have had the same issue. Look people, you can't expect one guild to carry your whole server through a whole time slot. I think the most SF or LoD I ever saw online at one time was around 50. 50 people can't cap and defend 4 maps. You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect that and any guild that thinks they can do it is setting themselves up for the same thing. It reminds me of undergeared players that want to get carried through heroic dungeons and raids. Why not get off your ass and do something for yourself?

Now, where a guild is there own decision. No asshole outside that guild has any say in where it can go or when. Every guild has a damn good reason for the place they chose or choose to go. Ever think that the way they got treated in the past by a server effects that decision? What about your actions while they a re deciding? What about both? If people don't want to come to your server because of their reputation, maybe it is time to find a new server. You could try and change that attitude also. There will always be trolls and exploiters in every server in every game you ever play. Don't blame ArenaNet if you didn't leave when it was obvious you picked a supertroll/l33t hax0r server. Don't blame the playerbase if nobody wants to come to that server either. Maybe the server they went to was polite where your server was the place where everyone else said they should go. Because, you know, they are in the guild moving and know what is best for them. Ever think that maybe some people just spent 4 months trying to build a community and don't want to spend the time, effort and frustration to do it again for minimal rewards while getting shit on when things don't go the right way? And after all that, what if they go to "build a community" and then turn around and are deserted by a sizeable portion of the community. Maybe some guilds just want to go to a server where they can play to their strengths. Maybe find a server who's strengts and weaknesses compliment their own. Instead of joining a dictatorship. Server transfers have been free since release. There is plenty of blame to get spread around, some of it could be your own. Instead of whining about it, do something about it.

I know there are a lot of specifics in here, there are a lot of generalizations too. It isn't intended to be an indictment of SBI. There are a lot of servers out there that bitch and moan whenever a bunch of transfers happen. I've noticed the same servers always have the same lists of complaints every time. They have the same damn general attitude in between each time too. Some of you people act like nobody was sent out to other servers to see what the community was like there. That guy you are calling a spy, hacker or exploiter may be the guy from a guild that is looking for a new home. Remember when people were flipping out because they were seeing MMAC tags on other servers? Obviously they were spies not scouting a new home. (If you wanted MMAC on your server isn't a dicussion, just an example)

So, go ahead and sling all the mud you want. It isn't going to change anyone's mind about where they are going now. Those decisions have been made. Who knows, some of it could be smoke and mirrors trying to get your panties in a bunch. Maybe your response to what is going on now that transfers are ending is influencing someone right now as you read this. Shit man, you might have just pissed off a group of guilds that want to come to your home server because, hey, if you treated those guys that way, how are you going to treat those guys right there? And maybe if you actually read this wall of text and got pissed, you are part of the problem and not the solution that youthink you are.


I think I just totally jacked your thread victz. Didn't mean to go that far, I'm pretty sure you are just trying to start a convo.









Then again, it could all just boil down to the old mantra, "It just a game. STFU, play the game the way it's fun for you. Stop taking shit so damn seriously."

:lol:

Seriously.....honestly i didn't see a whole lot of this, but if you think this isn't going to happen on every US server I got news for you...Anon people on the internet are *s...I know right..Amazing..

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:13 PM

So the new list of T1 quality servers is going to be SoS, JQ, BG, SoR, TC, and Kaineng?

I will argue that HoD needed to be broken up, but the rest of this is starting to look like the trade deadline in professional baseball.

#28 Cake is Cake

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 08:21 PM

did TC get transfers?

#29 MrZero

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:40 PM

View PostXsorus, on 19 January 2013 - 06:55 PM, said:

:lol:

Seriously.....honestly i didn't see a whole lot of this, but if you think this isn't going to happen on every US server I got news for you...Anon people on the internet are *s...I know right..Amazing..

Oh hell man, I would never pretend to think that it isn't going to happen everywhere. There are things I left out because as has been said, it is a private matter and will only serve to cause drama.

btw, love your power inverter videos. They inspired a build for my engineer. Keep em coming.

Edited by MrZero, 19 January 2013 - 09:40 PM.


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Posted 19 January 2013 - 10:03 PM

After playing against SBI for so long, one can't have anything but respect for them. With the trend of whining and gloating for the losers and winners respectively, the spirit they have in not complaining (bar a few exceptions of course) and continuing to show up on the battlefield day in and day out to fight the good fight is inspiring.

If anything, this is the end of one of the servers with the right attitude to wvw, and it's still a shock to run around wvw for so long and not see "Stormbluff Isle Invader" somewhere.

Edited by AngelSpark, 20 January 2013 - 04:11 AM.





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