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[Galatiya]

I'm new to crafting Legendaries and I have a question about trying to use the Mystic Forge to get Dawn. So my question is whether I should use rare or exotic greatswords in the Mystic Forge to have a better chance of getting Dawn I'm trying to weight the fact of what I may need to spend.

In addition, does using dungeon greatswords traded by tokens work in the Mystic Forge to get Dawn?

Thank you

[Stigma]

Exotics give you better chance but also cost a whole alot more for the increased chance. Some ppl consider it not worth it. Some ppl got a precursor from only a handful of tries with Rare greatswords.... and then there's this side of the spectrum.



Be prepared to gamble in the mystic toilet

Theoretically dungeon weapons are same as any other rare or exotic weapon. I don't know anyone who has bothered using dungeon ones tho simply because you have to run the dungeons around 22 times just to get one try at the Mystic Forge....

I also don't recommend using Mystic Forge crystals as they seem to substitute itself as only the tier of a weapon and not the type. Throwing in 4 greatswords will give you a greatsword back, but 3 greatswords + 1 Mystic crystal might not give you a greatsword back.

Edited by Stigma, 22 January 2013 - 09:53 PM.

[matsif]

dungeon greatswords work just the same as any other exotic from personal/others experiences.  For one gamble in the toilet, you need 4 GSs @ 390 tokens each = 1560 tokens.  This is about 9 days of running all paths of a dungeon for one try at the forge.  Only ones I've seen it done are from AC as many in my guild (myself included) have leveled alts by swapping them into AC at the end of the final boss to get the XP, and from this I normally do AC at least once a day.  At CoF and the dungeons after that, you're better off using the tokens to get rare armors @ 30 tokens a pop and salvage for a chance at ectos.

rares can be used, but as posted above and from my personal experience (over 1100 GSs now and 600 hammers) I have still yet to see a precursor.  I rarely if ever even get named exotics, usually the only exotics I get back are just the crafted pearl ones.  Exotics can be used but are much more expensive if not using the dungeon ones, which take a while to get anyways if you aren't planning on spending money.

currently the safe bet is to put up buy orders for rare GSs and wait for them to fill, then flush them away.  I never do more than 5 forges at a time (usually ends up being around 7-8g per time I gamble) as from that I can easily recoup the losses with an AC run and selling any exotics I get out of the toilet.

[Galatiya]

Okay, judging from that I won't be wasting my tokens on GS's.
If I plan to buy the GS's on the Trading Post, at what price should I buy them for on average?

Thanks

[Reason on Cooldown]

Stigma, on 22 January 2013 - 09:50 PM, said:

Theoretically dungeon weapons are same as any other rare or exotic weapon. I don't know anyone who has bothered using dungeon ones tho simply because you have to run the dungeons around 22 times just to get one try at the Mystic Forge....

But if you like running dungeons, and have nothing else to use the tokens on.......ok, ectos.....

matsif, on 22 January 2013 - 10:54 PM, said:

dungeon greatswords work just the same as any other exotic from personal/others experiences.  For one gamble in the toilet, you need 4 GSs @ 390 tokens each = 1560 tokens.  This is about 9 days of running all paths of a dungeon for one try at the forge.

If you confine yourself to one dungeon.  Farming from four different ones will obviously get you there faster.

It would be nice to have an idea how much BETTER the odds are by using exotics over rares.  To know if it is worth the effort.

[Evans]

They will be significantly better because you lose the entire Rare tier out of your possible outcomes. That said, a horribly low chance, doubled, will still be horribly low.

[Limbolein]

Several players have posted their results with rares in the Precursor R&D thread. Should be easily possible to determine the chance for getting exotics.

With 4 rares you can get either a rare or an exotic, while with 4 exotics you always get an exotic. Only exotics can be precursors. If the chance for an exotic from rares is X, then you need 1/X times more tries for a precursor on average.

The rare that you get in 1-X of rare tries can be used for another try. Buying 4 rares will give you 1 + (1-X) * 0.25 tries. Therefore if prize of rare * (1 + (1-X) * 0.25 )* 1/X < prize of exotic then using rares is the cheaper way.

Now all you need is the correct chance and the prizes!

An example: if chance is 20% = 0.2 then (1 + (1-0.2) * 0.25) * 1/0.2 = 1.2 * 5 = 6
--> if prize of exotic < 6 * prize of rare then go with exotics

Edited by Limbolein, 23 January 2013 - 11:24 AM.

[Just Horus]

You didn't take into account that 4 exotics -> precursor have a different chance than 4 rares -> precursor. It's not enough to simply just take into account the chance of 4 rares -> exotic.

[Zakki]

Horus Moonlight, on 23 January 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

You didn't take into account that 4 exotics -> precursor have a different chance than 4 rares -> precursor.

Source on this? Let's say there are 2 variables when throwing items into the forge, var1: quality ; var2: the code that identify the item you receive.
Putting 4 rares into the forge will start 2 rolls: the 1st for quality, then the second that pick the output item from a list of items of the quality rolled on the first roll.
Putting 4 exotics will instead only start the second roll.
example:
4 rares -> var1:exotic. var2: e001
4rares -> var1:rare. var2: r001
4 exotics -> var1:exotic (default). var2: e001
It would make sense if this "item code" would identify the same item as long as the quality is the same.
Sorry for any grammar mystake,i'm hiding at work (true thief here) and english is not my mother tongue

[Limbolein]

My calculation is based on the assumption that the exotic outcome events are the same for both rare and exotic tries. One could assume there is a difference but as long as this is only speculation I wouldn't take it into account.

[dzanikken]

This should not be used as a reference, but my friend got Dusk yesterday after flushing 110g worth of rare greatswords down the toilet (in a single swoop).

Not bad.

[Sheepski]

I was extremely lucky and got Dawn on my 15th or 16th try using rares.

[Falfyrel]

I would personally wait for more details on the Precursor scavenger hunt to come out rather than wasting upwards of 300+ gold on the Mystic Toilet, but if you want to try it anyways, exotics are probably your best bet.

[chuckles79]

Question for anyone who has gotten one.  Has anyone gotten one with 4 of the same sword (aka 4 crafted) or 4 from a dungeon, etc.

[rotsono]

I only bought the same 700 times till i got my dusk.Always the cheapst krait greatswords

Edited by rotsono, 24 January 2013 - 07:46 PM.

[Fenice_86]

A newbie question: does item lvl matter?

I mean... if i throw in 2* lvl 40, 1* lvl 50, 1* lvl 60 rare weapons the result will be a lvl 80 item or... ??

[Illein]

Got mine after ~300 rare GS -  never used the exotics I got back, so I'd not go home without a 100% loss. Got it for an approximate investment of 150g. Yet a friend of mine who tried the same, flushed about 2000 GS ending up with nothing.

[Chibii]

I have been EXTREMELY lucky. I got Tooth of Frostfang on the second attempt and then got dusk on the 7th attempt with rare lvl80 axes and Greatswords.

Edited by Chibii, 25 January 2013 - 10:38 AM.