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#1 Shugar Bear

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:41 PM

So I am stuck here and can't decide. I prefer playing PvE like dungeons and WvW, so I was wondering which class I should go with, Mesmer or Engineer?

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:10 PM

Mesmer
I tried engineer and just didnt get into it. Mesmer is a fun class with lots of options

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:41 PM

I have both at level 80. They are both great class. Personnally, i prefer my Grenade Engineer, but only by a slight margin.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:11 PM

Both will keep you busy at end game PvE, no slacking off during combat since you're going to need full attention to watch your illusions/watch where your grenades are landing. Auto attack will get you no where as a mesmer, and there's no such thing as auto attack with grenades. Eyes will hurt as a mesmer, fingers will hurt as an engineer.

Leveling up, engineer is easier. And a LOT easier at earlier levels when compared to mesmer. Simple as that.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:57 AM

View PostCepaCepa, on 28 January 2013 - 10:11 PM, said:

Both will keep you busy at end game PvE, no slacking off during combat since you're going to need full attention to watch your illusions/watch where your grenades are landing. Auto attack will get you no where as a mesmer, and there's no such thing as auto attack with grenades. Eyes will hurt as a mesmer, fingers will hurt as an engineer.

Leveling up, engineer is easier. And a LOT easier at earlier levels when compared to mesmer. Simple as that.

Any idea what class that won't hurt either my eyes or fingers? I'm over 36 years old and I feel like my gaming skill is getting decayed..

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:13 AM

View Postdproject, on 29 January 2013 - 02:57 AM, said:

Any idea what class that won't hurt either my eyes or fingers? I'm over 36 years old and I feel like my gaming skill is getting decayed..

Warrior.

Besides, can't speak for Mesmer, but Engi got a crapload of viable builds, getting them to occupy nearly every role with ease and reliability. Hell you can even make a mix between different roles and get viable outcomes. The downside? Well... It's Elementalist tier gameplay, you need to know which kit does what in order to have the best out of hotswapping.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:20 AM

The trinity is dead, long live the trinity.
In case you have not heard, the new trinity in GW2 for dungeons is Warrior, Guardian, and Mesmer.

They are the three preferred/ accepted in PUGs classes now, not because of any teamwork or synergy, but simply because the other classes are not as survivable in dungeons.

Sure the game director says he plays an Engineer, but then Anet employees HAVE to let him join their teams if they value their jobs.

Sure you might find a few people who don't care what class you are, but no one will every turn down one of the new trinity.

So go Mesmer if you want to run dungeons and are limited to the two classes you mentioned.

Mesmers are dead simply to level once you learn that:

1. You have an endless supply of illusions.  Don't fret when they die like flies, just keep popping them out.
2. Your illusions distract foes and let you avoid taking damage.
3. Kite, dodge, and otherwise run around like a fool and never stop in tight dungeon spaces.  Anet's definition of combat for squishy classes is basically zipping around like a chicken with it's head cut off.

The rest is fluff and window dressing.

Edited by beadnbutter32, 29 January 2013 - 02:09 PM.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:23 AM

Mesmer cuz Time Warp.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:44 AM

View Postdproject, on 29 January 2013 - 02:57 AM, said:

Any idea what class that won't hurt either my eyes or fingers? I'm over 36 years old and I feel like my gaming skill is getting decayed..

Both Mesmer and Engineer require active play. Mesmer has to kite forever to survive or be really quick with their dodges/ invulns/ distortion to stay alive and the Engineer potentially has more skills to manage than the Elementalist. I would roll either warrior or guardian if you feel your "skills" arent up to the challenge.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:01 AM

Why not both? \o/

Seriously, they're both great classes and quite different, so if you feel like one is getting stale you could always play the other for a while. The mesmer is quite unique and has a very interesting playstyle, and the engineer has a lot of different "toys" that give it great variety.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:43 PM

I always get into pugs as an engineer, and even when it was my first time in the dungeon, the group I was with helped me out with what to do. Maybe I just have a different experience of the game than you :P

As for how viable engineer is (that you should pick him as your main class), it is very good for stacking vulnerability and conditions with a grenade build - and can mix in survivability such as a tool kit for a slow on number 2, an awesome block on 4 and a sometimes useful (more useful in PvP) pull. I also use the Elixir R in dungeons (especially useful since  the latest patch, as you cannot just waypoint back while the rest of your group is fighting), as it is a faster revive, and the med kit with a trait speedy kits, grants permanent swiftness.

Engineers can also be built with dual pistols + elixirs stacking might and condition duration. You will have more health than in the first set up and will have no kits to switch to. You lack permanent swiftness but gain lots of condition removal and don't have to target grenades with every attack.

Rifle burst is another popular set up - again your utilities are there to maximise static discharge and not to be swapped to for any length of time.

Lastly there is a bunkerish type of build that can be set up in many ways, either group healing and condition removal with some control or as a bit more survivable pistol build that makes use of blast finishers.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:25 PM

View PostShugar Bear, on 28 January 2013 - 07:41 PM, said:

So I am stuck here and can't decide. I prefer playing PvE like dungeons and WvW, so I was wondering which class I should go with, Mesmer or Engineer?

I had the same decision to make. I used to tend to engineer, just because of his style. But truth is: I never got him to work properly. Maybe it's because I'll never learn the ins-and-outs of that complicated class in my ~8 Hours of gaming a week(!).
Mesmer went a bit better, it's just that I always felt so so weak. Squishy, without the Damage Output to make up for that. Permanent kiting, never being able to take on groups of 3+...always having to play "on the edge" to even be equal to Mr. Greatsword-Warrior or Mr. "Boom boom"-Elementalist ^_^
I usually hate going for FOTM-classes, and always wanted to make "underdog"-classes (aka Engineers) work for me... I usually hate Melee Characters... I usually love supporting, never was a damage whore...
I tested all Profs during Beta, at least to level ~5, and while playing that Guardian back then I thought "Hm... that is somewhat fun..." ...

Long story short: I started a Guardian, and My GOD! is he fun to play :D I love the weapons, the visual style of skills, I love the utilities, how supportive the Guardian is without even trying (meaning with solo PvE-Builds)... and yeah, actually being able to hack through almost everything without sick amounts of twitch-skill. It's soooo refreshing!

I can only suggest: Try everything for a bit, and go with what is fun for you. I decided to stay at my Guardian because he is fun for me, even if many will accuse me of "joining the bandwagon"...

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:12 PM

View Postdproject, on 29 January 2013 - 02:57 AM, said:

Any idea what class that won't hurt either my eyes or fingers? I'm over 36 years old and I feel like my gaming skill is getting decayed..

In a very biased personal opinion:

Ranger > Warrior > Necro > Guardian > Thief > Engineer > Elementalist > Mesmer

But it all depends on the spec and how active you'd like to be. Even a shortbow/longbow ranger can keep himself busy if he wants. So can a greatsword warrior.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:28 PM

View Postspirit 3ater, on 29 January 2013 - 05:44 AM, said:

Both Mesmer and Engineer require active play. Mesmer has to kite forever to survive or be really quick with their dodges/ invulns/ distortion to stay alive and the Engineer potentially has more skills to manage than the Elementalist. I would roll either warrior or guardian if you feel your "skills" arent up to the challenge.

I second this. But I'd also add necro to your list. This is just my personal opinion, but rangers, guardians and warriors, although easy for pve, quickly become boring if you don't want to play with more specific builds requiring using much more, well, fingers. Necro has a great survivability (huge hp pool) and you can switch between many builds easy (durable golem + extra minions that aggro enemies / dual daggers for close encounters and big numbers / amazing condition damage with scepters / good combos with staff / amazing aoe with wells).. and unlike with other classes you can basically have one build and just swap major traits between fights and will still be viable. Also - all weapons vary a lot, and none is really awful.

I also tested all classes (and have them as alts), and I had the same problem - being afraid I won't be good enough. Necro imo offers best variety and doesn't get dull so quickly. You can play it in "easy mode" or experiment with more risky ones. Just my opinion though. I also enjoy guardian a lot. In the end I'd advise you to take a look at light and heavy armor skins and decide with that in mind as well.

But if you insist on either Engi or Mes, I'd say go with Engi, because they are less squishy and their core mechanic (f1-f4 skills) gives you more space than mesmer shatters and requires less field control.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:23 PM

View Postdproject, on 29 January 2013 - 02:57 AM, said:

Any idea what class that won't hurt either my eyes or fingers? I'm over 36 years old and I feel like my gaming skill is getting decayed..

I would stay away from playing a gernade engy then because there is no autoattack for nades on land meaning you will have to bash the 1 key to attack

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:35 PM

I have both an engineer and mesmer at 80. I prefer the play style of the mesmer. It just feels better and more fun when playing it

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:00 PM

mesmer has much better utility skills for both pve and wvw but for fun factor i would go with engi.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:06 PM

My vote is mesmer, I find it much more fun and active

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 04:55 AM

View Postdproject, on 29 January 2013 - 02:57 AM, said:

Any idea what class that won't hurt either my eyes or fingers? I'm over 36 years old and I feel like my gaming skill is getting decayed..

No mesmers or engineers, they are both taxing on the fingers and eyes (especially flashy mesmer skills). I would suggest ranger - you just sit at the back and pew pew while the pet does the work - at least for the first 50+ levels, then it gets more complicated.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:29 AM

Easy one for me. I love my Mesmer so much I made it my main. But Engineer I detest so much I haven't been able to finish it at all.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:58 PM

Both are team players at core, though the engineer even more than the mesmer.

If you want to do dungeons, both work, but mesmers will always be wanted in fractals (and a couple other parts of the game) for their portal shenanigans. The amount of boons and conditions an engineer can provide is just amazing. Using centaur runes and med kit is fantastic in WvWvW to keep swiftness on everyone around you 100% of the time, it's really amazing.

But both have a rather different play style, so you might try them out and see what fits you (might even be that neither feel comfortable to you).

Edited by Evans, 31 January 2013 - 01:00 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 01:30 PM

Mesmer! go go




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