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#31 Cainas

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:05 PM

As a long time JQer I find you Vihar particularly interesting.  You want competitive balance and constantly talk about that and yet you moved RAGE to our server along with 75% of the entire wvw population it seems.  I also find it funny people on our server still continue to get hostile towards those from other servers that would suggest JQ is "stacked" now.  Are you kidding me, we have more population than anyone by far and more importantly even SoS that had won for weeks with EU gaps can't be claimed by us with this win.  We don't have gaps any more, period.

Reset is a good thing but came waaaay to late after the mass transfers to our server.  This will result in epic one sided fights followed by a realization quite quickly that no server, I repeat no server has JQ's current coverage and without transfers it will be HOD 2.0 and people will bore of this game even more quickly then before.

My two cents for what it's worth.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:08 PM

View PostVihar, on 29 January 2013 - 04:39 AM, said:


  The only potential problem I see with this is high powered servers beating up on lowly servers in the first few weeks.



Actually, another problem would be certain servers throwing their matches in that week so they get put into lower tiers.

Now, I'm not pointing any fingers, but I'm sure we all remember what happens when a bunch of people go to a low tier server and end up inflating its population to the point where they have double the players that the other two servers have combined.

The only reason I can think of that these people would do that would be because they like to PvD and they like to win against people who have zero chance.

So, sadly, even if as little as a few guilds on the more evenly matched servers decide to take the week off, it'll result in them getting knocked down to an 'easier' tier.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:06 PM

View PostCainas, on 29 January 2013 - 06:05 PM, said:

As a long time JQer I find you Vihar particularly interesting.  You want competitive balance and constantly talk about that and yet you moved RAGE to our server along with 75% of the entire wvw population it seems.  I also find it funny people on our server still continue to get hostile towards those from other servers that would suggest JQ is "stacked" now.  Are you kidding me, we have more population than anyone by far and more importantly even SoS that had won for weeks with EU gaps can't be claimed by us with this win.  We don't have gaps any more, period.

Reset is a good thing but came waaaay to late after the mass transfers to our server.  This will result in epic one sided fights followed by a realization quite quickly that no server, I repeat no server has JQ's current coverage and without transfers it will be HOD 2.0 and people will bore of this game even more quickly then before.

My two cents for what it's worth.

  Well, I moved [Rage] to JQ because we were on a server with a small and weak WvW community, even though we were on a full population server. There were other options, but friendships and JQ's A+ recruiting efforts made our decision. It's not as though we had a handbook listing where every guild was going to, and knew how JQ would end up.

   I don't see anyone form JQ being hostile to other servers, I think the hostility is being directed at JQ, from what I've seen.

   We all know why. It's pretty self evident. It's not a new phenomenon, and it's hypocrisy.

  Everyone knows JQ is stacked. We all know SoS is stacked. By the same mechanisms, and for the same reasons.

   I suspect that SoS being so stacked for so long, had a very large part to play in so many going to JQ. JQ was the underdog, the #2, and that is probably why so many WvW guilds went there. It wasn't some big conspiracy, or hidden hand behind it.

  Many WvW guilds moved to JQ because SoS was the stacked server, so they didn't go there.

  That's it.

  That's all that happened.

   The truth is that JQ and SoS are BOTH stacked servers, where for the last 2 months there was only 1 stacked server.

   I estimate that JQ is now about as strong as SoS was when they got to T1, before attrition began to whittle away some of it's strength.

  There is no need to panic, my JQ friend.

   For some reason, people seem to think that whatever the current WvW situation is, is permanent. It never is, and it never will be.

   Even with the end of free transfers, every server is home for attrition, it does not need free transfers.

   Jade Quarry would have faded into obscurity long ago, had it not revitalized itself with recruitment once back in November. Jade Quarry is the only server to have succeeded in that at this level.

   Now with the end of free transfers, Jade Quarry revitalized itself once again, just 2 months later.

  I think, that if you are a native Jade Quarry resident, you may not recognize what an amazing and unique achievement that is.

   You may take it for granted, or you may resent incoming transfers like me and my guild. That is fine, but you should understand that it is not, and was not a result, of outside forces.

  It was a result of amazing effort and determination on behalf of the Jade Quarry community, itself. Many worked hard to keep Jade Quarry a top WvW server, by recruiting.

  The JQ community is the ONLY one that has successfully pulled it off, not once, but TWICE!

   If you want to resent newcomers to your server, that is your prerogative.

   But the only reason we are here, is because of a lot of time and effort put in by the JQ community.

   And the only reason JQ is even competitive today, let alone dominant, is because people like me responded to that time and effort.

   JQ is the only server who has succeeded, not once, but twice.

   SoS unwittingly helped them do it by being so stacked and dominant itself when free transfers came to an end.

   Had the roles been reversed, many WvW guilds on JQ now would likely have gone to SoS....the underdog.'

  That's life, I guess.

Edited by Vihar, 29 January 2013 - 07:10 PM.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:56 PM

View Postheatrr, on 29 January 2013 - 05:11 AM, said:

Nobody on SoS is worried about facing Kaineng. They are nothing more than Maguuma and Dragonbrand and how they vaulted to the upper Tiers as quickly as Kaineng has....then hit the proverbial brick wall. It's called "Welcome to the big leagues."

Nope, it's called Isle of Kickasspenwood Janthir them in the throat while in a Fort server.  We'll see if the legend lives in on T2 next week against BG and TC.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:00 PM

View PostVihar, on 29 January 2013 - 07:06 PM, said:


your most excellent honest post


excellent post, bought a tear to my eye :)

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:47 PM

While I enjoyed the read Vihar and don't resent my new allies, I have a few rl friends on SoS.  They in all honesty carried a big NA stick with a big Oceanic and SEA stick while not even having a twig during EU prime.  So even at the height of SoS pre whittle they had no 4 map 24/7 coverage that all the other servers that lost to them seem to think.  

I am in complete agreement that it was the victories and perception of 24/7 coverage that caused many guilds to come here to JQ rather then go to the first place server.  But at it's peak SoS was maybe 80% coverage which is down to about 65% and JQ has now become 100%.  Even at it's peak SoS wouldn't compete with the current version of JQ and unless drastic changes happen it will be a one sided game until either the Feb patch brings some back or the Feb patch is the final nail for a lot of players.  Either way all these transfers to this one place has ultimately killed competitive wvw for anyone going against JQ. Period.  Which is sad for the state of the game moving forward.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:54 PM

View PostCainas, on 29 January 2013 - 08:47 PM, said:

While I enjoyed the read Vihar and don't resent my new allies, I have a few rl friends on SoS.  They in all honesty carried a big NA stick with a big Oceanic and SEA stick while not even having a twig during EU prime.  So even at the height of SoS pre whittle they had no 4 map 24/7 coverage that all the other servers that lost to them seem to think.  

I am in complete agreement that it was the victories and perception of 24/7 coverage that caused many guilds to come here to JQ rather then go to the first place server.  But at it's peak SoS was maybe 80% coverage which is down to about 65% and JQ has now become 100%.  Even at it's peak SoS wouldn't compete with the current version of JQ and unless drastic changes happen it will be a one sided game until either the Feb patch brings some back or the Feb patch is the final nail for a lot of players.  Either way all these transfers to this one place has ultimately killed competitive wvw for anyone going against JQ. Period.  Which is sad for the state of the game moving forward.

The game has always been in this state - there was always a server which had more numbers and better coverage than others.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:48 PM

View PostCainas, on 29 January 2013 - 06:05 PM, said:

As a long time JQer I find you Vihar particularly interesting.  You want competitive balance and constantly talk about that and yet you moved RAGE to our server along with 75% of the entire wvw population it seems.  I also find it funny people on our server still continue to get hostile towards those from other servers that would suggest JQ is "stacked" now.  Are you kidding me, we have more population than anyone by far and more importantly even SoS that had won for weeks with EU gaps can't be claimed by us with this win.  We don't have gaps any more, period.

Reset is a good thing but came waaaay to late after the mass transfers to our server.  This will result in epic one sided fights followed by a realization quite quickly that no server, I repeat no server has JQ's current coverage and without transfers it will be HOD 2.0 and people will bore of this game even more quickly then before.

My two cents for what it's worth.

Please do not come here and say what is on your mind.  Just press the 'Like This' button on every JQ post and create multiple accounts to accomplish the same thing.  You'll fit right in.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:56 AM

One thing I want to point out is when JQ is winning we field at least 30% more players in WvW, even before the transfers.  I also feel we've never beat a full strength SoS, because it seems their moral is broken when they don't have a 20,000 point lead by Monday.

SoS is going to dominate Tier 1 come reset, compared to this week, and cause all three servers to dive deep in to the lower tiers.

If SoS sandbags the rest of the week, it will benefit both SoS and JQ.  This will drop SoS to Tier 2 and give JQ a chance at SoR and BG. SoS dropping looks to be the best solution to keep the top servers as close to Tier 1 as possible, two weeks from now.

Edited by FriendlyFire, 30 January 2013 - 06:14 AM.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:55 PM

This match was Tier 1 SoS's first real test in WvWvW - lets see how they perform :)

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:58 PM

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I'd check the score before claiming SoS is sandbagging this week. I think they are about to make a run for second to stay in T1 for the reset week. I think they WANT to fight us. I think they WANT to try and blow us out next week and send us to T4 or T5. This is their chance to prove they are the 'world champions of WvW'. I can't imagine anyone with a competative bone in their body turning down a chance like that.

Someone from SoS back me up on this. I have gained a lot of respect for a few of the hard core guilds sticking it out last night with 30 PPT and pushing us out of your keep on EB. Tell me you guys are going to push for 2nd, or even run for 1st! That's what I want to hear.

Someone from SoS get all *y and tell me you're going to stomp us next week and throw us down into T4 where we belong! I want you guys to fight! Come on!

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:10 PM

View PostVihar, on 29 January 2013 - 07:06 PM, said:



   Jade Quarry would have faded into obscurity long ago, had it not revitalized itself with recruitment once back in November. Jade Quarry is the only server to have succeeded in that at this level.

   Now with the end of free transfers, Jade Quarry revitalized itself once again, just 2 months later.

  I think, that if you are a native Jade Quarry resident, you may not recognize what an amazing and unique achievement that is.

   You may take it for granted, or you may resent incoming transfers like me and my guild. That is fine, but you should understand that it is not, and was not a result, of outside forces.

  It was a result of amazing effort and determination on behalf of the Jade Quarry community, itself. Many worked hard to keep Jade Quarry a top WvW server, by recruiting.

  The JQ community is the ONLY one that has successfully pulled it off, not once, but TWICE!

   If you want to resent newcomers to your server, that is your prerogative.

   But the only reason we are here, is because of a lot of time and effort put in by the JQ community.

   And the only reason JQ is even competitive today, let alone dominant, is because people like me responded to that time and effort.

   JQ is the only server who has succeeded, not once, but twice.


Pretty much this, and we did it despite losing a large group of our WvW guilds, despite a great commander of one of our strongest guilds going to make a sandwich and not coming back (i.e  a great commander left the game).  

It's community it's involving all of our WvW community whether it be the smallest of guilds to the largest of guilds.  If you see 30 different tags out there please don't think that it is a weakness, it's a strength.

And let me just say Vihar, having you and all the other guilds that have come over has been a great experience for us!  We get to learn new tactics, new techniques, and new commanding styles.  We are very happy all of you are here.

Edited by Wotah, 30 January 2013 - 02:31 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:33 PM

View PostFriendlyFire, on 30 January 2013 - 05:56 AM, said:

One thing I want to point out is when JQ is winning we field at least 30% more players in WvW, even before the transfers.  I also feel we've never beat a full strength SoS, because it seems their moral is broken when they don't have a 20,000 point lead by Monday.

Yes, this is very much the truth.  At least from my perspective.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:00 PM

View PostWotah, on 30 January 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

Pretty much this, and we did it despite losing a large group of our WvW guilds, despite a great commander of one of our strongest guilds going to make a sandwich and not coming back (i.e  a great commander left the game).  

It's community it's involving all of our WvW community whether it be the smallest of guilds to the largest of guilds.  If you see 30 different tags out there please don't think that it is a weakness, it's a strength.

And let me just say Vihar, having you and all the other guilds that have come over has been a great experience for us!  We get to learn new tactics, new techniques, and new commanding styles.  We are very happy all of you are here.

You mean, like....

  How to kill veteran worms?

  Those kinds of new tactics? :P

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:02 PM

View PostVihar, on 30 January 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

You mean, like....

  How to kill veteran worms?

  Those kinds of new tactics? :P

That thing is monstrous, he trounced me a few good times.  I learned though, oh did I learn!

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:22 PM

I run from the worm. Does that count? But uncle steve sometimes catches me then it's all worms all night...

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:57 PM

View PostCalmLittleBuddy, on 30 January 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

Someone from SoS back me up on this. I have gained a lot of respect for a few of the hard core guilds sticking it out last night with 30 PPT and pushing us out of your keep on EB. Tell me you guys are going to push for 2nd, or even run for 1st! That's what I want to hear.

:rolleyes:

I could tell you whatever you want to hear, but it doesn't make it true. I could give you any excuse, any explanation, any reasoning that you want/do not want. I highly doubt that you would believe anything that someone says that runs contrary to your opinion.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:24 PM

View PostCainas, on 29 January 2013 - 06:05 PM, said:

As a long time JQer I find you Vihar particularly interesting.  You want competitive balance and constantly talk about that and yet you moved RAGE to our server along with 75% of the entire wvw population it seems.  I also find it funny people on our server still continue to get hostile towards those from other servers that would suggest JQ is "stacked" now.  Are you kidding me, we have more population than anyone by far and more importantly even SoS that had won for weeks with EU gaps can't be claimed by us with this win.  We don't have gaps any more, period.

Reset is a good thing but came waaaay to late after the mass transfers to our server.  This will result in epic one sided fights followed by a realization quite quickly that no server, I repeat no server has JQ's current coverage and without transfers it will be HOD 2.0 and people will bore of this game even more quickly then before.

My two cents for what it's worth.

You speak with both logic and sense, very well said.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:56 PM

View PostCirus, on 30 January 2013 - 06:24 PM, said:

You speak with both logic and sense, very well said.

Nah I am guessing he is another forum troll that is all.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:54 PM

Why am I am forum troll?  Because I dare state that the server I'm on is stacked beyond that of anyone else and that I don't post my guild tags.  Realization of fact and expressing that fact doesn't make me a troll anymore then me suggesting you have common sense.  Heck, common sense is so uncommon for you in reading your posts it should be considered a super power.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 03:45 AM

I like that reset. Some new faces, some new things to learn and I have much more time to play.


Next great step for Anet is mixing EU and US

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:48 PM

check the profile.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 03:27 PM

View PostHerr_Gebrechen, on 31 January 2013 - 03:45 AM, said:

I like that reset. Some new faces, some new things to learn and I have much more time to play.


Next great step for Anet is mixing EU and US

This would be so epic!

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 03:34 PM

Bit early to be calling JQ HOD 2, HOD won like 30 matches in a row.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 04:09 PM

View PostCainas, on 30 January 2013 - 09:54 PM, said:

Why am I am forum troll?  Because I dare state that the server I'm on is stacked beyond that of anyone else and that I don't post my guild tags.  Realization of fact and expressing that fact doesn't make me a troll anymore then me suggesting you have common sense.  Heck, common sense is so uncommon for you in reading your posts it should be considered a super power.

You're not on our server. I checked. ;)

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 04:09 PM

View PostCalmLittleBuddy, on 30 January 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

I'd check the score before claiming SoS is sandbagging this week. I think they are about to make a run for second to stay in T1 for the reset week. I think they WANT to fight us. I think they WANT to try and blow us out next week and send us to T4 or T5. This is their chance to prove they are the 'world champions of WvW'. I can't imagine anyone with a competative bone in their body turning down a chance like that.

Someone from SoS back me up on this. I have gained a lot of respect for a few of the hard core guilds sticking it out last night with 30 PPT and pushing us out of your keep on EB. Tell me you guys are going to push for 2nd, or even run for 1st! That's what I want to hear.

Someone from SoS get all *y and tell me you're going to stomp us next week and throw us down into T4 where we belong! I want you guys to fight! Come on!

I know you mean well by this but, SoR is second on reset.  SoS is fighting for Third.

Also unless SoS blows us out of the water on reset, them remaining in Tier 1 is going to sink both servers, because it will be a competitive match.

You have to have an understanding of ranking before asking a server what they are fighting for.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 04:12 PM

View PostG L J, on 30 January 2013 - 05:57 PM, said:

:rolleyes:

I could tell you whatever you want to hear, but it doesn't make it true. I could give you any excuse, any explanation, any reasoning that you want/do not want. I highly doubt that you would believe anything that someone says that runs contrary to your opinion.

Then you don't know me very well at all. Nice try though.

View PostFriendlyFire, on 31 January 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

I know you mean well by this but, SoR is second on reset.  SoS is fighting for Third.

Also unless SoS blows us out of the water on reset, them remaining in Tier 1 is going to sink both servers, because it will be a competitive match.

You have to have an understanding of ranking before asking a server what they are fighting for.

Oh dear lord. Is SoR in our Tier right now??? I meant second place on our current matchup. What's your deal with me?

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 04:52 PM

SoR is in Tier 1 now, technically. Only SoS or BG are staying.

This is a thread about rating, so I am making sure to clarify what that means.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 05:04 PM

View PostFriendlyFire, on 31 January 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

SoR is in Tier 1 now, technically. Only SoS or BG are staying.

This is a thread about rating, so I am making sure to clarify what that means.

Then clarify away, but leave the  'well meaning' comment, and the reproachful advice to PMs, sir. Your name is quite fitting these days.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:26 PM

View PostCainas, on 29 January 2013 - 06:05 PM, said:

As a long time JQer I find you Vihar particularly interesting.  You want competitive balance and constantly talk about that and yet you moved RAGE to our server along with 75% of the entire wvw population it seems.  I also find it funny people on our server still continue to get hostile towards those from other servers that would suggest JQ is "stacked" now.  Are you kidding me, we have more population than anyone by far and more importantly even SoS that had won for weeks with EU gaps can't be claimed by us with this win.  We don't have gaps any more, period.

Reset is a good thing but came waaaay to late after the mass transfers to our server.  This will result in epic one sided fights followed by a realization quite quickly that no server, I repeat no server has JQ's current coverage and without transfers it will be HOD 2.0 and people will bore of this game even more quickly then before.

My two cents for what it's worth.
Let me get out my long spoon to stir and sample this drama.  I think you are being somewhat harsh on Vihar and RAGE, while at the same time I find his protestations that he didn't know they were stacking an already powerful server to be bordering on "intent to insult intelligence."

The mass abandonment of SBI to JQ seems a bit of a mystery to me, Tier 2 not being that bad; but I fully understand why they went to JQ.  We joked for many weeks on SoS how SBI and JQ were BFFs and it was clear that they had a complex love/hate relationship.

They knew who they were joining fully; so in that light I do not blame them one bit.
However if they come on here and say "we didn't know we were stacking"; then they are talking out a lower orifice.




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