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[RivenTheValorous]

I just thought I'd mention that it's funny that, other than matchup threads and the occasional Kaineng enthusiast, most posters in this entire forum are from the top 2 tiers, and most all of those being from people in Tier 1. Just thought it was humorous that the highest ranked servers not only have the most players on the field, but also the most forum warriors on the boards

On a serious note, that may tell you something about WvW in GW2.

[Vihar]

chuckles79, on 31 January 2013 - 11:26 PM, said:

Let me get out my long spoon to stir and sample this drama.  I think you are being somewhat harsh on Vihar and RAGE, while at the same time I find his protestations that he didn't know they were stacking an already powerful server to be bordering on "intent to insult intelligence."

The mass abandonment of SBI to JQ seems a bit of a mystery to me, Tier 2 not being that bad; but I fully understand why they went to JQ.  We joked for many weeks on SoS how SBI and JQ were BFFs and it was clear that they had a complex love/hate relationship.

They knew who they were joining fully; so in that light I do not blame them one bit.
However if they come on here and say "we didn't know we were stacking"; then they are talking out a lower orifice.

  Really?

  Was there a memo going out that I missed, informing us where every guild was going to?

   If you think the SBI guilds conferred with each other, you are not only wrong in that, but you are wrong that SBI guilds went to one server, or even two. There are at least 3 different servers they went to.

   We, like most guilds, took a vote.

   SoS was not in the vote because, well....we don't like you....and you were already the top server, so no reason to go there.

Edited by Vihar, 01 February 2013 - 04:14 AM.

[Cainas]

Yes I am lol. Due to guild policy I didn't register with my in game name but thx for showing off your Internet detective skills, it's like a combo of Mattlock and Colombo Vihar impressive lmao.

Edited by Cainas, 01 February 2013 - 12:49 PM.

[EvilSinzGW2]

Interesting.  I know individual people who moved to JQ because various guilds were moving there.  Funny how they were 'in-the-know' but actual guilds were not ....well, or so they claim.  Funny to see people get defensive ....

You're a good man Cainas.  Honesty +3.  Very rare on these boards.

[Bloodtau]

Rating is nothing more than a judge of who has the most active night cappers. Nothing more.

[Vihar]

LOL

  OK, guys.

  If you want to believe that my guild made our decision to go to JQ because we knew X number of guilds were going there, then you believe whatever you want.

   I tried to explain it, but you all just want to QQ, so feel free. You opinion isn't really worth that much to me. Nothing, actually.

   Besides, if YOU had been following the vote in my guild like OTHERS were, then you would know that everything stated here is nonsense.

   JQ was by no means a unanimous vote....lol.

   You can just keep liking your own alt account...lol.

[EvilSinzGW2]

It's almost like people have friends on JQ that seem to talk  

/shrug

[Vihar]

Friends...like [SF]?

   Maybe the fact that I have stated many times in public forums that Strike Force's decision to go to JQ had a major influence on our decision, Sherlock.

[chuckles79]

Vihar, on 01 February 2013 - 04:14 AM, said:

  Really?

  Was there a memo going out that I missed, informing us where every guild was going to?

   If you think the SBI guilds conferred with each other, you are not only wrong in that, but you are wrong that SBI guilds went to one server, or even two. There are at least 3 different servers they went to.

   We, like most guilds, took a vote.

   SoS was not in the vote because, well....we don't like you....and you were already the top server, so no reason to go there.

You did go to the #2 server that had been a very close #2 for the matches leading up to the transfer.

I think what I would say in your shoes is: "we wanted to continue to experience the top tier fighting we had seen on SBI, but didn't really see ourselves as a good fit on SoS."

You knew SBI was breaking up, you knew they were going to go somewhere to  better their chances.  That left JQ, BG, SoS, and maybe Kaineng and SoR if you were feeling adventurous.

[Vihar]

chuckles79, on 01 February 2013 - 05:12 PM, said:

You knew SBI was breaking up, you knew they were going to go somewhere to  better their chances.  That left JQ, BG, SoS, and maybe Kaineng and SoR if you were feeling adventurous.

  And I knew that some went to Kaineng, some went to SoR, and some went to JQ. That is of the SBI guilds, none of which are large guilds in the first place.

  Did I know what PRX or any other guild from any other server were doing?

  As for the "close" matches, shall we research all the posts about how SoS would take time off during the week and then if the match got close they would return to WvW to secure the win?

  That's why they were "close"...because large SoS guilds took days off.

  Or...did you guys forget that you were bragging about that?

   Why don't you SoS guys be honest for a change?

   You are upset that you did not get incoming transfers the way other servers did, and now you are no longer the lone stacked server?
=
   It's OK....we know.

   Throw all the mud you want at JQ, or the guilds that transferred there, or any other server.

    SoS should have recruited better, and maybe should have been a little less arrogant over the last two months, and they may not be in the position they are in today...because it seems that mine is not the only guild that disregarded SoS as a destination server. It seems almost every guild from every server thought the same thing.

  It's not [Rage]'s fault.

   It's not JQ's fault.

  It's SoS's fault.

[chuckles79]

Vihar, on 01 February 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

  And I knew that some went to Kaineng, some went to SoR, and some went to JQ. That is of the SBI guilds, none of which are large guilds in the first place.

  Did I know what PRX or any other guild from any other server were doing?

You seem to be taking out what other posters have said on me.  If you remember, I said I understand why you went to JQ.  I don't blame you for it either.
However, when you defend yourself; you make it sound like you did not know what you were getting into.
SBI melted when it dropped down to T2, it's clear that a lot of the people on SBI felt that was unacceptable and wanted to be in T1 again.  That left the list I left earlier.
You knew that no matter what happened, that JQ's stock would improve from this situation, not counting what your own guild brought to the party.

So, my point, is that you knew you were joining an improved JQ.  Now you probably had no idea how much it was improving, but you knew you were joining a championship contender.

Let me reiterate, there's no animosity here.  I heard the same things when we changed servers, and all we were looking for was a server that didn't give up Saturday night (Tarnished Coast was a close runner-up) and had no idea how much SoS was getting or how many more would come later.

Yet that was joining a T3, about to go into T2 server.  That week they barely eeked out a win against SoR and our high aspirations were beating IoJ.

I'm sure you thought it was going to be parity, and the two servers are closer than scores indicate; but you shouldn't act surprised at the thought that people might suspect collusion when SBI's top guilds all move to JQ at once.

[EvilSinzGW2]

Doesn't take a detective to see someone getting defensive ... doesn't take Sherlock to know what that means

[chuckles79]

Vihar, on 01 February 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

Friends...like [SF]?

   Maybe the fact that I have stated many times in public forums that Strike Force's decision to go to JQ had a major influence on our decision, Sherlock.

Ok, I wish I had checked this before I replied.  If you knew SF was going JQ then you knew how much JQ was getting.  Even if you didn't know about PRX, SF has actually been more of a presence on JQ so far than they have (from the point of view of an opposing force).

It's nice to know you probably would have gone wherever they had gone, even had it been Ferguson's Crossing; but you know you were performance enhancing JQ by quite a bit.

[Vihar]

Well, I don't know who is running the alt account, so it could be you or someone else.

   As for knowing how much JQ was getting with [SF]....they only have about 100 members.

  They only field around 30 members at any given time.

   I am supposed to rule out a server based on a 100 member guild unbalancing things?

  Are you serious?

Edited by Vihar, 01 February 2013 - 07:46 PM.

[DeagarFA]

Going to be an intense week this week. In a way the winners of this week are going to be the champions of the first season (Though we all know what the old HoD would do to any server these days).

The second week is going to be hilarious. If they don't take the existing score into account when determining the score for next week's calculation it's likely that each server in t1 and t2 is going to be placed somewhere in the middle of the pack.

Edited by DeagarFA, 01 February 2013 - 09:25 PM.

[Vihar]

DeagarFA, on 01 February 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

Going to be an intense week this week. In a way the winners of this week are going to be the champions of the first season (Though we all know what the old HoD would do to any server these days).

The second week is going to be hilarious. If they don't take the existing score into account when determining the score for next week's calculation it's likely that each server in t1 and t2 is going to be placed somewhere in the middle of the pack.

  Nothing in the first 2 or 3 weeks will matter. It is going to take a few matches for the whole system to sift itself out.

[Cainas]

Vihar, on 01 February 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

Well, I don't know who is running the alt account, so it could be you or someone else.

   As for knowing how much JQ was getting with [SF]....they only have about 100 members.

  They only field around 30 members at any given time.

   I am supposed to rule out a server based on a 100 member guild unbalancing things?

  Are you serious?

No, you acknowledge what most have complained about SoS for months.  You came to our server to keep your guild in tier 1 and ultimately have a great chance to rule on a stacked pvp server.  

I think you miss the point and people are finding you amusing Vihar, me included for one reason and one reason alone.  People aren't upset you came here to JQ,  they are upset at the fact that you refuse to finally yield and admit your reasoning behind it.

It's not the recruiting hahahaha, I have been part of a large pvp guild on JQ since day 1.  It was the opportunity for a large force of like minded people wanting to win while playing on easy mode.  Hey I don't condemn you folks, I just enjoy the opportunity to point out how ridiculous you sound to all the other servers that can clearly see the one sided wvw, boring game, I win button JQ as a server has become.

[MrZero]

chuckles79, on 31 January 2013 - 11:26 PM, said:

Let me get out my long spoon to stir and sample this drama.  I think you are being somewhat harsh on Vihar and RAGE, while at the same time I find his protestations that he didn't know they were stacking an already powerful server to be bordering on "intent to insult intelligence."

The mass abandonment of SBI to JQ seems a bit of a mystery to me, Tier 2 not being that bad; but I fully understand why they went to JQ.  We joked for many weeks on SoS how SBI and JQ were BFFs and it was clear that they had a complex love/hate relationship.

They knew who they were joining fully; so in that light I do not blame them one bit.
However if they come on here and say "we didn't know we were stacking"; then they are talking out a lower orifice.

As a member of SF here is my POV.

When the idea of going to JQ was presented to us, a lot of us were appalled. JQ and SBI were not friends by any stretch of the imagination. But this is getting a little ahead of ourselves. I'll go ahead and tell you why we didn't go where and try and keep it as linear as possible. The fact is, JQ was the very last place we even discussed. I am not going to apologize at all if I offend anyone or their server. I am just calling it like I see it. There are SF members that are on this forum including our leader. If you know anything about our guild, you should know that we have no problem calling each other out for liars and *s. Either way this goes, you can be sure that when Jed reads this and i am lying, he will call me out publicly and probably give me an assripping in mumble.

First off, we ruled out all servers that didn't have a strong current wvw population. SBI was trying to get it's shit together. It was difficult to do with a highly populated server that lacked interest in wvw. Jed in particular went to other servers forums looking to plug the gap where WM was. You would have thought a bunch of hardline Christians were witnessing the trial of Jesus Christ. The mods on the IOJ forums specifically acted like he walked into their houses and was walking out with their TV, wife and daughter right after he too a large steamer on the carpet. It was very apparent that nobody was going to come to SBI. We are talking late November that this effort was started. The majority of people in SF did not want to be in any sort of "server building" effort. We were also looking for somewhere to go which provided an environment in which we were not being called to every map simultaneously. In other words, a server with an established wvw community yet actually had a slot we could fit in and do our thing.

SoS - You were ruled out automatically. You were the #1 server and from our point of view, you had enough numbers to easily beat both JQ and SBI combined. Yeah there was a weak spot but it was not in our main time period. Come to find out now, guilds were putting in crazy hours to keep their record. Funny how this directly affected our decision. Had you been playing in your "comfort zone", (I lack another way of putting it.) Our choice may have been different. You guys would have been open for discussion anyway.

SoR - You guys actually won one of the polls. You beat out JQ and Kaineng. In fact, you Beat JQ by over 2x as many votes. So why didn't we go there? These guys gave us the impression that we could only come over in limited numbers. So, they wanted us but they wanted us to break our guild up and cheery pick who was going to stay in the guild. I get it though. You guys want to limit how bad your ques would get it's understandable. I'm mostly pointing this out because I have seen several, "Why didn't you people go to...." posts. At least you guys were straightforward about it and didn't bullshit us.

Kaineng - Short and sweet. Is WM gonna quit the server if they face SoS and get a lot of shittalk thrown there way? How many guilds are going to follow if they do? Sounds like setting up for the same debacle on SBI. It was a close vote but SoR won the vote minimally.

Blackgate - This is going to totally offend you guys. There is only one way to put this without this post getting deleted by mods. Remember the Orbs? A lot of people on SBI including SF remember. It is the main reason why the idea was a no go. Sorry. People didn't outright say it in these words but, we didn't want to be a part of that gaming community. My personal opinion, when all that was going down and it was apparent nothing could be done, I would have left. Unfortunate for you guys, the orbs were removed so there is no way anyone is going to know if the bad apples were taken care of.

TC - You guys got a couple votes. I think it was only because the majority of SF doesn't RP. The people that are in SF that rarely do wvw don't RP. It's not necessarily  a bad thing just not our cup of tea.

All other servers except JQ were ruled out because of our lack of desire to build a community. Hell staying on SBI was even an option that had some good traction.

I guess my point is that maybe people should be less eager to their knee jerk reactions of saying others are going where they can get easy wins and more eager to make their server more inticing. A lot of people went where they did because they made an informed decision. Other people probably did just go where they saw an easy win. I highly doubt the people that did just follow the win have the balls to admit it in public.

[Cainas]

DeagarFA, on 01 February 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

Going to be an intense week this week. In a way the winners of this week are going to be the champions of the first season (Though we all know what the old HoD would do to any server these days).

The second week is going to be hilarious. If they don't take the existing score into account when determining the score for next week's calculation it's likely that each server in t1 and t2 is going to be placed somewhere in the middle of the pack.

I'm thinking you might have been or still are either bitter at the state of your server or have the word "HOD" tattooed somewhere on your body.

I don't judge love away, you just rarely post without reminding all of us about a server that disbanded like 4 months ago.  Who cares, just saying.

[Familiar]

As a proud JQ native I'd like to point out that Cainas' opinion does not represent the whole server and it is disappointing to see his posts. What I care most about is a great community which has been very open an receptive to our new brethren. It's certainly raised up the competition level but many factors are at play for the results of this week, and whatever we perceive in the future is not set in stone.

Not to mention the shuffling that's to come in the next month. Whatever happens, whatever tier we are in, it doesn't matter to me so long as the community remains positive and I'm getting fun out of the game. I don't care much about the math, the point system, or how it's all done since I'm more at home in the kitchen anyway.

[Cainas]

Familiar, on 01 February 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

As a proud JQ native I'd like to point out that Cainas' opinion does not represent the whole server and it is disappointing to see his posts. What I care most about is a great community which has been very open an receptive to our new brethren. It's certainly raised up the competition level but many factors are at play for the results of this week, and whatever we perceive in the future is not set in stone.

Not to mention the shuffling that's to come in the next month. Whatever happens, whatever tier we are in, it doesn't matter to me so long as the community remains positive and I'm getting fun out of the game. I don't care much about the math, the point system, or how it's all done since I'm more at home in the kitchen anyway.

You miss the points. I like community and competition.  But to assume you will have competitive wvw with the amount of coverage JQ has now is both delusional and naive.

[Familiar]

Cainas, on 01 February 2013 - 11:33 PM, said:

You miss the points. I like community and competition.  But to assume you will have competitive wvw with the amount of coverage JQ has now is both delusional and naive.

Coverage wanes through time. Queues have been minimal in my experience besides the weekend and I haven't  bothered due to outside influences keeping me busy. I know what this has done, and it has attracted a lot of attention. People are also logging on with the excitement, and I had some people on last night simply wanting to finish map completion for characters.

I'm not naive. I'm rather nice.

[Cainas]

I never suggested you weren't nice.  We would need most of the NA wvw community to retire for JQ to fall down to second place.  Oh well, lets go with your positive attitude instead shall we.

[Familiar]

Cainas, on 02 February 2013 - 12:08 AM, said:

I never suggested you weren't nice.  We would need most of the NA wvw community to retire for JQ to fall down to second place.  Oh well, lets go with your positive attitude instead shall we.

Kill them with kindness is what I always say.

[Vihar]

Familiar, on 01 February 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

As a proud JQ native I'd like to point out that Cainas' opinion does not represent the whole server and it is disappointing to see his posts. What I care most about is a great community which has been very open an receptive to our new brethren. It's certainly raised up the competition level but many factors are at play for the results of this week, and whatever we perceive in the future is not set in stone.

Not to mention the shuffling that's to come in the next month. Whatever happens, whatever tier we are in, it doesn't matter to me so long as the community remains positive and I'm getting fun out of the game. I don't care much about the math, the point system, or how it's all done since I'm more at home in the kitchen anyway.

  It's all good.

   He is not really on JQ. He is an SoS alt account...and a bad one.

[CalmLittleBuddy]

Vihar, on 01 February 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

LOL

  OK, guys.

  If you want to believe that my guild made our decision to go to JQ because we knew X number of guilds were going there, then you believe whatever you want.

   I tried to explain it, but you all just want to QQ, so feel free. You opinion isn't really worth that much to me. Nothing, actually.

   Besides, if YOU had been following the vote in my guild like OTHERS were, then you would know that everything stated here is nonsense.

   JQ was by no means a unanimous vote....lol.

   You can just keep liking your own alt account...lol.

If they had been following the vote as closely as JQ did, maybe they would have spent more time talking to your guild and asking you to come to them.

Funny, no one seemed to care enough at the time to make a big fuss. So, they only want to hack at you, not have you.

Guess we all know what the right choice is now.

Seriously folks, if you give a shut now about where Rage ended up, WHERE WERE YOU WHEN THEY WERE VOTING ON WHERE TO GO?

I bet you didn't even know they were voting. Where were you all when we were doing all the legwork with SF?

You know who stacked JQ? All the other servers who didn't even know that Rage and SF were leaving SBI because you din't give a shit and didn't even bother to check.

So, go screw.

Edited by CalmLittleBuddy, 02 February 2013 - 02:26 PM.

[Via Rin]

Honestly? I'm frightened, as I'm sure most of the WvW population from Eredon Terrace is aswell. We rarely field more than 40 players at a single time. I doubt we'll manage anything if we're paired up against a high tiered server post-reset. I hope they find a better way of creating the match ups rather than a straight-up reset.

[Cainas]

Vihar, on 02 February 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:

  It's all good.

   He is not really on JQ. He is an SoS alt account...and a bad one.

Actually that's wrong, the name I randomly created and I assure you am quite JQ. After having played shoulder to shoulder with you and your guild I would suggest your ability to call ANYONE bad went right out the window.

You usually don't get first hand eye witness experience with loud opinionated people on here and it's refreshing moving forward that no matter how big you talk on here Vihar, my guild and a variety of others that have come to respect a lot of our new friends have none for you lol.  Despite your ramblings your contribution is non existent and let me assure Sor and SoS that Vihar or his guild have zero impact on the outcome of the battles in tier 1.

[CalmLittleBuddy]

Cainas, on 02 February 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

Actually that's wrong, the name I randomly created and I assure you am quite JQ. After having played shoulder to shoulder with you and your guild I would suggest your ability to call ANYONE bad went right out the window.

You usually don't get first hand eye witness experience with loud opinionated people on here and it's refreshing moving forward that no matter how big you talk on here Vihar, my guild and a variety of others that have come to respect a lot of our new friends have none for you lol.  Despite your ramblings your contribution is non existent and let me assure Sor and SoS that Vihar or his guild have zero impact on the outcome of the battles in tier 1.

Now you just lost all credibility. Anonymous alt account with an ax to grind. I know you're lying because I know who you are. You are lucky most folks can't track you. You'd be kicked out of your guild for this, you know...

[Global_GW2]

MrZero, on 01 February 2013 - 11:25 PM, said:

As a member of SF here is my POV.


Blackgate - This is going to totally offend you guys. There is only one way to put this without this post getting deleted by mods. Remember the Orbs? A lot of people on SBI including SF remember. It is the main reason why the idea was a no go. Sorry. People didn't outright say it in these words but, we didn't want to be a part of that gaming community. My personal opinion, when all that was going down and it was apparent nothing could be done, I would have left. Unfortunate for you guys, the orbs were removed so there is no way anyone is going to know if the bad apples were taken care of.

This makes me sad. To this day, I'm convinced that whoever was doing that had an axe to grind with BG for whatever reason and only did what they did to discredit the server and tarnish the server's reputation. Mission accomplished apparently. And for the record I'm definitely not offended, just disappointed.