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[Neo Nugget]

This Friday, February 1st, ArenaNet will be implementing a reset for World Vs World server ratings. The reasoning behind this is the large player population shifts that resulted from the news of the server lock-down. Habib Loew explains exactly how the reset will work.

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• We’ll let the current matchup play out. Since free transfers were available during the first part of this matchup we don’t want it to count towards the new ratings.
  
• When the matchup rolls over on Friday, February 1st we’ll post the final ratings & rankings. The new ordering will determine the groupings for the next matchup as usual.
  
• After the new matchup has started on February 1st we’ll reset all the ratings (and deviation & volatility) behind the scenes.

What do you all think of this? Is it necessary to let server ratings readjust after the large population shift?

[Verene]

Not surprised in the least. Rankings are all sorts of messed up from free transfers lasting so long so many guilds hopped from server to server; they need to reset things to see where they really stand.

[ZCKS]

Hopefully this works, god knows the balance between worlds is extremely messed up.

I know for a fact my server is since the vast majority of the WvW guilds decided to up & leave in the last month.

[Coren2]

I see the WvW games so far as the training rounds, now it's serious

[matsif]

NA t3 matchups have been pretty solid and imo balanced overall for the past couple months.  I don't really know or care about the other ones.

[NuclearDonut]

Not sure what it's going to accomplish. The faceroll servers will still faceroll.

[Dosearius]

This is actually going to make things worse for a while.

[Khlaw]

Seems like, even without a reset, the rankings would have normalized naturally over time.  It does seem possible though that the reset might help prevent mass migrations to certain worlds based on their current rankings.

[Lunacy Polish]

I admire what they are trying to do but the inevitable comical mismatches this will create are something that we should have gotten out of the way last year.  I suppose I should be happy that the constant mass migrations that made WvW such a strange experience are finally over.

[Tyrantscreed]

Lol time to get 100% WvW completion on my alts :3

[soistheman]

I am ok with ANet ignoring server rating and manually selecting match ups from educated guess from data they have, but I am not sure if this is the case.  They didn't explain.  If they are simply resetting rating and pretty much randomly matching servers then I completely oppose.  Would this meas T1 may end up fighting with T4, T6 servers?  I don't think so.

[Neo Nugget]

soistheman, on 29 January 2013 - 05:20 PM, said:

I am ok with ANet ignoring server rating and manually selecting match ups from educated guess from data they have, but I am not sure if this is the case.  They didn't explain.  If they are simply resetting rating and pretty much randomly matching servers then I completely oppose.  Would this meas T1 may end up fighting with T4, T6 servers?  I don't think so.

I reread it a few times and I *do* think that this week's match-ups will carry over to next Friday for the rating reset.

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When the matchup rolls over on Friday, February 1st we’ll post the final ratings & rankings. The new ordering will determine the groupings for the next matchup as usual.

I would imagine that means SoS, JQ, and BG (maybe) will still fight each other this Friday, but the outcome from that match will fluctuate much more than usual.

[Fizzypop]

Khlaw, on 29 January 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

Seems like, even without a reset, the rankings would have normalized naturally over time.  It does seem possible though that the reset might help prevent mass migrations to certain worlds based on their current rankings.

I was trying to figure out a reason why they'd do this and then I read this. That makes sense. I just hope dragonbrand can keep their T3 spot. The match ups the last few weeks have been pretty decent.

[Lunacy Polish]

Neo Nugget said:

I would imagine that means SoS, JQ, and BG (maybe) will still fight each other this Friday, but the outcome from that match will fluctuate much more than usual.

The thing is though with no other data to analyze after that week, won't we get a series of crazy matches?  Someone has to lose the match.  I am not looking forward to the strong servers having to stomp on the lghtweights before we get good fights again.

Again I am glad they finally realized free transfers are bad for WvW and things will work out I am just mildly concerned how long it will take to sort it back out again.  They should probably go to shorter matches for a while like we had at launch to feed the algorithm data to minimize the adjustment period.  I am sure the good people on Ferguson 's Crossing for example don't want to have a week long match with JQ just because we get stomped in the first week after reset.

[CalmLittleBuddy]

Week 1 after reset - Just like normal, match ups based on the scores and ratings from the previous week.

Week 2 - Highest point differential will end up in T1 first over all. ANY server from ANY tier can end up here if they have the highest point differential. Weird matchups and complete imbalanced tiers

Week 3 - Closer to normal, due to high population tiers blowing out their competition in the lower brackets.

Week 4 - Pretty much sorted. Business as usual.

Week 5 and beyond will settle back into ratings torpor, with the same match ups lasting months.

That's one month or utter turmoil to end up right where we are today. While I personally look forward to this, it is pointless because the problem they are addressing would largely solve itself in a month anyways.

I like the idea just because it's going to be wild, but to me this is a WvW PR stunt to drive more players into WvW and keep folks tuned in until the February update. WvW populations were declining as of January 1. So...

FREE TRANSFERS ENDING!!! People transfer like mad and enter WvW again causing queues and raised profile of WvW in general.

RESET!!! Again, raise the profile of WvW and get folks playing.

UPDATE!!! Drive players to WvW for new shiny!

Again, I'm almost exclusively WvW, so to me, this is great, but let's call it what it is. A gimmick.

[ilr]

The Ratings were so messed up because the SCORING SYSTEM was (& still is!) so messed up.
It's total BS to be blaming all those guilds for doing what guilds do naturally (Minmax & Game systems).

Until they make the Scoring actually matter to the rest of the Server more (which yeah, they said they might do), but ALSO base it off of Tactical "Spreading Out" accross more Borderlands (instead of mindlessly zerging 1 tower/keep at a time, on the weekends only)...the "Ratings" will never tell the real story of WVWVW.   They also need to greatly reduce the impact that NightCapping & PVD'ing has on the cumulative server scores.

Edited by ilr, 30 January 2013 - 11:36 PM.

[Jin]

ilr, on 30 January 2013 - 11:35 PM, said:

They also need to greatly reduce the impact that NightCapping & PVD'ing has on the cumulative server scores.

Why should my time spent at 4am EST be worth less than yours spent at 8pm EST?  24 hour battle is 24 hours...

Back on topic.... The ratings reset will be a wild ride and fun, but I agree that this will likely accomplish the same thing that the system would do anyway.

[FoxBat]

Jin, on 31 January 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

Why should my time spent at 4am EST be worth less than yours spent at 8pm EST?  24 hour battle is 24 hours...

Because he fought players while you fought doors.

I don't want those doors to get stronger or your personal rewards to decrease any, but the simplest solution to their current problem is to just scale back the rate at which world points are handed out off of primetime. Night capping won't (and shouldn't) go away, but it's not fair that what a minority does during this time has vastly more influence per person on server rating than what the majority does during the day.

Edited by FoxBat, 31 January 2013 - 03:24 PM.

[Tyrantscreed]

FoxBat, on 31 January 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

Because he fought players while you fought doors.

I don't want those doors to get stronger or your personal rewards to decrease any, but the simplest solution to their current problem is to just scale back the rate at which world points are handed out off of primetime. Night capping won't (and shouldn't) go away, but it's not fair that what a minority does during this time has vastly more influence per person on server rating than what the majority does during the day.

Still doesn't justify his question. Reducing points for capping even if it's done off primetime is unfair to those who actually want to play during that time and create an impact on the score. Your time in WvW is not > others time in WvW.

We need another solution to nightcapping, point reduction doesn't fly.

Note: Just to avoid any flamethrowers, I play during NA primetime myself.

[8800123]

FoxBat, on 31 January 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

Because he fought players while you fought doors.

I don't want those doors to get stronger or your personal rewards to decrease any, but the simplest solution to their current problem is to just scale back the rate at which world points are handed out off of primetime. Night capping won't (and shouldn't) go away, but it's not fair that what a minority does during this time has vastly more influence per person on server rating than what the majority does during the day.

To rephrase Jin,

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Why should my time spent at 8pm GMT+8 be worth less than yours spent at 8pm EST?  24 hour battle is 24 hours...

Am I supposed to get penalised because i live half the world away from you? GW2 is a global game. While the server is based in either EU or NA, it doesnt mean that its not for non NA/EU to play. We pay as much as you guys and give as much effort as anyone else to fight for our server.

[ilr]

Jin, on 31 January 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

Why should my time spent at 4am EST be worth less than yours spent at 8pm EST?  24 hour battle is 24 hours...

Because your reading comprehension of American concepts or conjunctive English in general is just plain bad?

In other Words:  Your time is NOT 1:1 so don't pretend like it is, and don't ignore the PVD part.  If you're nightcapping, you're PVD'ing.  READ: if you're Zerging against a lot less Defenders or no defense at all (generally only during late nights & mornings is this threshold common).... then your Server's Point rewards for capturing and holding that Structure should be greatly diminished. I'm not saying your Karma points or anything else should be reduced, no don't confuse the two.  But Rankings & Ladder points are for WINNERS who actually fought a real Challenge.  Planetside2 has this same exact problem b/c both games give full point values for uncontested Captures.

^--- and yes this is something that that master-tier Coders like Habib can EASILY take quick radial population samplings of during the entire period of contest (or even toss in arrays for incremental captures of structures that took multiple attempts to make the reward even GREATER than its base value)

Edited by ilr, 01 February 2013 - 11:30 PM.