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#1 Vihar

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:33 PM

There are lots of things, but I am going to name 3 that are not often discussed (one used to be, but not any more)...

1. Bring back Orbs

   I kind of miss the Orb rushes, and the strategic aspects that the Orbs brought into otherwise bland maps.

   Instead of buffs, though, simply make possession of the orbs +10 PPT. Still worth fighting over, for sure, but the orb will not determine the outcome of the fight.

   If we can make the altars unhackable, or eliminate the need to destroy them, the Orb mechanic would make borderlands much more fun to play in.


2. Do something about defending from walls!

   It is so much easier to attack from below, players and siege on walls, than it is to defend from walls. (obstructed, obstructed, obstructed).

   That is not the way fortifications are supposed to work. GET RID OF THE OBSTRUCTIONS for people trying to defend, and make it harder to attack things from below.

   If this were the way fortifications worked, noone would actually build them. It's stupid.

   If necessary, get rid of the terrain aspects that block line of sight, and replace it with defensive buffs for anyone inside.

   It is ridiculous to be standing on a wall, the enemy is unloading on you, and you have to find just the right magic spot to get a line of sight, when your screen is filled with red targets.


3. Make ballista ground targeted!

   These things completely suck at hitting moving targets. If you hit something, you do lots of damage to lots of people.....but if your target is moving, it is like the bolt just vanishes into thin air.

   A ballista shot should land somewhere, wherever you were aiming it. It shouldn't just disappear.

   This would also solve the problem of trying to find a rabbit to shoot at just to refresh the rot timer.

   These are the only siege that require a target to shoot, and they are terrible at hitting anything that isn't posing for you.

   Just make them ground targeted like everything else.

#2 RivenVII

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:27 PM

Agreed on almost everything. I think altars should still be destroyable or something. That way, a team could break in and steal the orb from a keep, but they would have to do something other than pressing F in order to get it and get out. Possibly fix the rate at which altars respawn. I don't know how they stop fly hackers though.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:35 PM

I've always felt keeps were made of paper.  Even fully upgraded its like if the wind blows they fall over.  Small groups of 5 shouldn't be able to ninja fully upgraded keeps.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:44 PM

I could give less than a rip about the orbs (they were a nuisance) but I agree with the rest 100%

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:57 PM

I loved the orbs. They made BLs worth something other than PPT. Hopefully they can find a way to implement something similar without being irresistible to cheaters.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:10 PM

Bring back the orbs! (Once you fix them)

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:29 PM

1. orbs
I would love to see the orbs again. i MISS orb rushes on reset. borderlands are lackluster without them.

one suggestion someone posted a long time ago was to make the orb only "removable" after the keep flipped. that way you couldn't solo steal the orbs(or hack the altar) because the keep lord is a champion surrounded by veterans and can't be solo-ed and even hard for a 5 man team to take down in any reasonable amount of time.

2. defending towers/keeps
i've always thought the fortified isn't enough of an upgrade. i would like to see the actual structure change its outside appearance. if you hit max upgrades in a tower or keep it would be nice to have like arrow cart holes at gates/walls with refreshing arrow cart build sites(like the cannons/oil/mortar) that make it really hard to kill those arrow carts and the user can be relatively safe while defending their fortified tower/keep. fortified should be revamped. additionally reinforced walls(tier 2) could have better ledges on the edge that can help you defend your tower from within in it or use siege without gettting aoe'd to death.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:49 AM

I dislike that when you're defending a keep that you're at a disadvantage because it's extremely hard to shoot town, everything you fire just comes back as "obstructed", unless you actually jump on the ledge in which case you just get aoed to death or pulled off..

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:53 AM

Good ideas, definitely like the defending walls and the keeps made of paper stuff.

Two things I would like are
1.  trebs to be more damaging to players, maybe by 25% more, keep the rest of the damage the same, it would make them a bit more like artillery then.
2. No more siege deployed in safe zones.

#10 RivenVII

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:02 AM

View PostKreen, on 30 January 2013 - 12:53 AM, said:

Good ideas, definitely like the defending walls and the keeps made of paper stuff.

Two things I would like are
1.  trebs to be more damaging to players, maybe by 25% more, keep the rest of the damage the same, it would make them a bit more like artillery then.
2. No more siege deployed in safe zones.

One thing KnT has been trying to do is use mortars and trebs like artillery to augment our field battles. It just sounds awesome to me :)

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:33 AM

Id love to see Orbs back, with no stats buff. It really gave a lot of flavour to the borderland maps.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:40 AM

I guess different servers have different experiences, and I've not been in WvW for very long, but it seems to me that taking a keep or tower isn't very easy unless it is lightly or undefended.  If you make them impossible to take, WvW just becomes a stalemate, or go to whoever can put together a big enough zerg to hit soft targets.

I do agree that it should be easier to hit people from ontop of walls, as the attackers can just drop AOE on the wall face and have it curl over the top.  Maybe put crenelations along the wall that defenders could shoot through, and that you can't be yanked through.  Or maybe make that an upgrade.

Of course defenders have the luxury of popping out, smashing sieges, and running inside to heal and wait for cooldowns.

I will say, enough arrowcarts will stop any front door attack in its tracks.

The horror!  Arrows everywhere!

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:42 AM

I want to see less trebs shooting from max range that are unattackable, and more field trebs and catas.  Possibly reduce the range of trebs by 100-150 units.

Bring back orbs.

Make cannons more usefull, the only cannons that are currently of any use are the cannons on Garrison, over looking water gate, and the third floor SM cannons.  Eles still exploit the SM cannons, so they may need to be moved.

When the guard level is upgraded the keep lord and supervisor level needs to upgrade.

It needs to be easier to defend from the walls than it is to attack the walls.



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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:20 AM

only want 1 thing:

Fix queues!!

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:10 PM

View PostRivenTheValorous, on 30 January 2013 - 01:02 AM, said:

One thing KnT has been trying to do is use mortars and trebs like artillery to augment our field battles. It just sounds awesome to me :)

Wait, your just getting around to realizing this? :)

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:13 PM

View PostDutchAres, on 30 January 2013 - 08:20 AM, said:

only want 1 thing:

Fix queues!!

How would they "fix queues"?

The queue is there because there is a high amount of people from your server on the map. They can't do much about it without hurting playability.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:39 PM

View PostLordkrall, on 30 January 2013 - 12:13 PM, said:

How would they "fix queues"?

The queue is there because there is a high amount of people from your server on the map. They can't do much about it without hurting playability.

1 way to fix queues:

https://forum-en.gui...rst#post1329413

2nd way:

as soon all 3 servers has on all there borders a queue time another border will be added and will stay online till next server reset

There are always ways to fix stuff

Edited by DutchAres, 30 January 2013 - 12:41 PM.


#18 RivenVII

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:45 PM

View Postheatrr, on 30 January 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:

Wait, your just getting around to realizing this? :)

Not just realizing it. We've done a lot with siege placement in the past, just more of a conscious effort of using it for these purposes rather than purely to defend from other siege or knock down walls.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:46 PM

View PostVihar, on 29 January 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

   If we can make the altars unhackable, or eliminate the need to destroy them, the Orb mechanic would make borderlands much more fun to play in.
We? You work for ANet?

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:48 PM

View Postraspberry jam, on 30 January 2013 - 12:46 PM, said:

We? You work for ANet?

Given some of the mechanics of this game, anyone one who plays it works for them in a way ;-)

#21 Luthor Huss

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 04:12 AM

Personally, I wish they would just do away with the Glicko ratings and just have it so the first placed server moves up to the next tier and the third placed server drops down to the lower tier.


And yes I know that would send us straight to tier 2 this week (grats to JQ on their win btw) but IMHO it's better in the long run.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 06:03 AM

cannons would be fun to deploy  on the battle field  to use against walls and  zergs, and commander  way points.

but they main thing I would like too see is the nerf to stealth. If you are in an attack zone  of a player and  attack all stealth in that zone should be unavailable for the entire attack. if you want to go be a spotter  or hide in a keep sure keep the stealth up, but not be able to do it in a fight after you tag someone.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 10:25 PM

View Postphabby, on 31 January 2013 - 06:03 AM, said:

cannons would be fun to deploy  on the battle field  to use against walls and  zergs, and commander  way points.

but they main thing I would like too see is the nerf to stealth. If you are in an attack zone  of a player and  attack all stealth in that zone should be unavailable for the entire attack. if you want to go be a spotter  or hide in a keep sure keep the stealth up, but not be able to do it in a fight after you tag someone.

you just took away half of the strategy involved with thieves. Their mechanics work far more with stealth than simply backstabbing after a Steal + CandD... Culling is a huge problem and they are working to fix it, but taking away combat stealth removes entire escape and disengage mechanisms. Guess we should get rid of all invuln and channeled block skills like warrior shield #5 too because they don't let you hit a person? You can still damage, cc, and kill a stealthed person, they just tend to prey on the weak or unobservant. Let's make an effort to not destroy entire class mechanics and instead talk about things that would actually improve WvW.

FYI, this is coming from a warrior. I just dgaf about stealth because I know how to kill them.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 06:34 AM

WTB Orbs back. I think I'm in the camp of the Outmanned Buff and the Orb Buff should have been reversed.  Doing well in WvW should be rewarded, but not by getting stronger.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 07:56 AM

Ahhhh miss the old days, escorting the orbs back to your keep is the best thing in WvW ever!

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 08:17 AM

1 thing I really want: MORE NPC INTERGRATION / INTER...ACTIONNN!!

Let's get more NPC soldiers out there so it can feel like a real war.

We could use elite guards guarding stonemist so it won't be taken down so easily. World bosses in WvWvW would be awesome, ex. kraken coming out of the lake.

NPC soldiers that are able to follow you under your command.
-you're able to make them patrol, guard, follow, etc.
-promote NPC soldier's rank ex. private--> captain

Right now WvWvW is too zerg-->--zerg-->zerg
I feel like if the map was filled with countless battles like Orr(except not all dumb zombie NPC's walking around) it would feel more alive.

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View PostVihar, on 29 January 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

There are lots of things, but I am going to name 3 that are not often discussed (one used to be, but not any more)...

1. Bring back Orbs

   I kind of miss the Orb rushes, and the strategic aspects that the Orbs brought into otherwise bland maps.

   Instead of buffs, though, simply make possession of the orbs +10 PPT. Still worth fighting over, for sure, but the orb will not determine the outcome of the fight.

   If we can make the altars unhackable, or eliminate the need to destroy them, the Orb mechanic would make borderlands much more fun to play in.

What? They took out the orbs? Why the hell did that do that? :huh: (haven't played WvWvW since release)

Edited by I'm Squirrel, 01 February 2013 - 08:24 AM.


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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:03 AM

View PostI, on 01 February 2013 - 08:17 AM, said:

What? They took out the orbs? Why the hell did that do that? :huh: (haven't played WvWvW since release)
People used hacks to steal the orbs all the time, so instead of fixing the bug that allows the hack, ANet just removed the orbs.

#28 Baron von Scrufflebutt

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:07 AM

UAX.
It's THE reason why I am currently not and I do not see myself doing WvW in any kind of future.

WvW is shitty PvP in concept, but this shouldn't be a reason to make it even shittier by pissing all over the things that the game actually does well.



EDIT:
Although, giving us the option of playing WvW with no server-ties would be the second thing. Just create a special WvW battlefield that anyone can join.

Edited by Protoss, 01 February 2013 - 11:09 AM.


#29 Grumpdogg

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:44 AM

3 things I would like to see in WvW:

My commander
My enemies
My allies

Edited by Grumpdogg, 02 February 2013 - 10:44 AM.


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Posted 02 February 2013 - 12:00 PM

View Postraspberry jam, on 01 February 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:

People used hacks to steal the orbs all the time, so instead of fixing the bug that allows the hack, ANet just removed the orbs.

And they didnt think that the servers that was winning should get one more advantage over the other servers.. AKA the Orbs.




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