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[AKGeo]

Seriously? You're equating playing a game to work. Going out of your way to kill 15 different types of enemies, not doing what you bought the game to do, that's work. Getting an extra bump of exp while playing the game normally is not work.

[Jump_N_Move]

This set of dailies is way easier, especially since I don't low end DE pve at all. Usually just dungeons, fractals, and some WvW and PvP thrown in. Before I always had to make an effort to visit multiple zones to hit the 15 enemy types and the 5 DEs, now I have them done by the time I've gone through a dungeon.

Can't believe people are complaining about the dodging and rezing dailies...yall must be the ranged-only, rez rushing scrubs that are all over Orr. Go throw on a sword, get up close and personal and learn to play dodge.

[Shroomhead Fred]

Jump_N_Move, on 31 January 2013 - 09:31 PM, said:

Can't believe people are complaining about the dodging and rezing dailies...

I'm struggling to understand this complaint as well.  These are like two essential things you should be doing in this game...  I'm loving the new dailies, mainly because I hardly notice them being done, they just get completed naturally as I play.

[Auenwing]

Legion_Magnus, on 30 January 2013 - 02:26 AM, said:

Was interested in other's opinions on the changes to the Daily and Monthly Achievements which ANet implemented yesterday.  I've seen a lot of complaining from people in the environment about the changes.

Recognizing that most people don't like change, especially if perceived as simply for change's sake, I guess so far I am in the Do Not Like camp.  Not sure what ANet is going for here unless it is slower reward distributions (more people will decide not to mess with it) or just simply to displease some of its customer base with strange requirements (like x Attacks Dodged).

What do other people think of this change so far?

Mixed bag.

I fall into the "if ain't broke don't fix it camp".

Understand the dailies got mundane (just like real "dailies" in life.)

Real concern with a few of them causing  "perverse behavior" in the playerbase. Unintended side effect of ANet not thinking through how
some of the players would react. (For example: 4 o'clock reset of dailies causing a swarm of level 80's to rush Queensdale wiping out veteran mobs, making it difficult for low levels to complete in a reasonable time frame. Ditto killing Moa birds  for dodge requirement. To the player standing in Lion's Arch willing to pay other players to jump to their death for his last revive allies daily. Yes, he was spamming.)

ANet would probably say this is behavioral and therefore outside of their concern.

That's fair, however, they need to understand that there will be a percentage of players that "play to the reward" which will effect the overall playerbase experience.

- Cautionary Concern Over and Out

As far as the actual dailies themselves, nothing that's difficult outside of the broken combo field daily which they removed. Hope they do not put it back in because I am sure there are players that end up solo because of time of day they can log on, or time constraints.

I'm sure ANet assumed that the dailies would and could be completed in the due course of playing. As they should be, and does not always occur.

Also, word to ANet here:  using dailies to "coerce", "guide", "influence" players into areas of play based on statistics gathered from raw data, is not always a good idea, does not result in the behavior you expect (see above), and may annoy your players. Not everyone wants to craft or enjoys water combat (see: clumsy execution of z-axis movement), etcetera. Back to the drawing board for your next round of design meetings and / or opening up a survey for player input into potential dailies for consideration?

Looking forward to more wtk (what the kitten?!?) were they thinking additions to the dailies.

[The Condor]

It's surprising so many complain about these new dailies, when some of them are so incredibly easy it's a joke.  If people have a problem with them, chances are they aren't thinking, which wouldn't be surprising reading some of the posts here.

I can't believe anyone would complain about crafting, since all you have to do is refine t1 materials.  That's a time investment of 20 seconds max.  Yet some geniuses are so against the very thought of this daily they don't notice the simple side-step to it.

Reviving likely comes naturally while playing, but if it doesn't there are several hearts in the world which are NPC graveyards.  3 off the top of my head:  gendarren fields' medic one south of the big centaur camp, blazeridge steps SE corner with the charr arguing with humans, and sparkfly fen north of tequatl where there's a bunch of sylvari in the water.  Hardly takes anytime at all.

Veterans can most easily be done in Orr with any meta-event.  Or fighting skill challenges summon vets, or a dragon fight.  Often times vets spawn in events that you'll likely get it while doing your daily events.

The only real thing these new dailies do is make you consciously acknowledge them.  In the past we likely killed 5 vets a day and revived 10 people a day, but we didn't notice it because we didn't have to.  Now it's at the forefront of our minds so dwell on getting it.  If players stop over thinking everything they might not even notice the dailies.  Hope this is a more uplifting message than the rest of my cynical rant.

All in all, I'm just glad I have to worry about daily kill variety less now.

[xarallei]

Redhawk2007, on 31 January 2013 - 11:28 AM, said:

This month's daily only required you to discover the jp; you didn't actually have to complete it. So I just took my toons into the jp in WvW every day until I got all 30. You could do it again every 24 hours and still get credit.

Fractal and dungeon requirements suck for non-dungeoners. I just did the fractals for the first time today and wasn't too impressed. Whatever fun these things are the first time once you learn them they are just a grind.

Oh that's good at least. I was dreading the jumping puzzles. But the fractals are still a huge problem.

[Beale]

Legion_Magnus, on 30 January 2013 - 02:26 AM, said:

Was interested in other's opinions on the changes to the Daily and Monthly Achievements which ANet implemented yesterday.  I've seen a lot of complaining from people in the environment about the changes.

Recognizing that most people don't like change, especially if perceived as simply for change's sake, I guess so far I am in the Do Not Like camp.  Not sure what ANet is going for here unless it is slower reward distributions (more people will decide not to mess with it) or just simply to displease some of its customer base with strange requirements (like x Attacks Dodged).

What do other people think of this change so far?

It was good to see a lot of bugs fixed (at least according to the patch notes).  Also good to see encounters that were teaching players to exploit or otherwise "get around" game mechanics tuned so they'd really be played.

That having been said, I do not like the patch.  The dailies are driving perverse responses from players which are damaging the community and damaging the experience of new players in the low zones (I would encourage Anet to send some observers into Queensdale at 4:01pm every day for a while).  I even couldn't find enough dead NPCs or players for the alt I was leveling yesterday because the community was so good at keeping even the NPCs up in the lowbie zones.

It's time for Anet to give some thought to "checking" every functional change they make to the game past either an internal "red team" (people who try to figure out how to exploit the change, and also predict how people will act to optimize for rewards and not community).  (In military terms, the red team are the folks who try to figure out how to shoot down the new plane you're designing while it's still on the drawing board.)  Or alternatively just have a broad set of "focus groups" with diverse players and diverse playstyles who look at ideas BEFORE THEY ARE IN THE GAME and talk about how they'd feel seeing it and what they will do in response.

As a key textbook on gaming pointed out a decade ago, once the game releases it belongs to the players and not to the developer.

And as a much, much older textbook (from before most of you reading this were born) pointed out, "any intuitive change to a complex system will inevitably leave [that system] worse off."

[AKGeo]

Beale, on 01 February 2013 - 02:41 AM, said:

It was good to see a lot of bugs fixed (at least according to the patch notes).  Also good to see encounters that were teaching players to exploit or otherwise "get around" game mechanics tuned so they'd really be played.

That having been said, I do not like the patch.  The dailies are driving perverse responses from players which are damaging the community and damaging the experience of new players in the low zones (I would encourage Anet to send some observers into Queensdale at 4:01pm every day for a while).  I even couldn't find enough dead NPCs or players for the alt I was leveling yesterday because the community was so good at keeping even the NPCs up in the lowbie zones.

It's time for Anet to give some thought to "checking" every functional change they make to the game past either an internal "red team" (people who try to figure out how to exploit the change, and also predict how people will act to optimize for rewards and not community).  (In military terms, the red team are the folks who try to figure out how to shoot down the new plane you're designing while it's still on the drawing board.)  Or alternatively just have a broad set of "focus groups" with diverse players and diverse playstyles who look at ideas BEFORE THEY ARE IN THE GAME and talk about how they'd feel seeing it and what they will do in response.

As a key textbook on gaming pointed out a decade ago, once the game releases it belongs to the players and not to the developer.

And as a much, much older textbook (from before most of you reading this were born) pointed out, "any intuitive change to a complex system will inevitably leave [that system] worse off."

So keeping NPCs alive is "perverse" behavior that's damaging the community.


I'll have to log that one away for future reference.


How about leaving the newbie zones and doing your dailies in level 80 zones instead?

[Beale]

AKGeo, on 01 February 2013 - 02:50 AM, said:

So keeping NPCs alive is "perverse" behavior that's damaging the community.


I'll have to log that one away for future reference.


How about leaving the newbie zones and doing your dailies in level 80 zones instead?

No, the perverse behaviors I've seen are:

1. 80's camping the veterans in the lowbie zones to the extent that at level players cannot find a veteran to fight
2. 80's camping hearts and events that leave lots of dead npcs around
3. 80s camping events and killing mobs so fast an at level player is unlikely to get event credit
4. 80's camping the moa birds in Queensdale (a mob type it's easy to get "dodge" credit for)
5. people spamming requests for other players to suicide off high places in cities so they can rez them for credit
6. players in events deliberately playing poorly / selfishly so players around them would go down and they could rez them
7. players in events or other world pick up groups playing non optimally to pull mobs onto them so they could dodge

I play my 80's in 80 zones (or downleveled to help guildmates) and my alts in level appropriate zones.  That's how the game was intended.

The dailies until now have not incented lazy (or rushed, and that is an important point) players to camp the lowbie zones, except maybe to get event credit.  I did not see truly perverse behavior until the dodge and rez dailies went in.

This is not about the impact on me.  I can always log on a higher toon to finish my dailies.  This is about what it's doing to the community and to the experience of new players.  This kind of thing drives new players away, and driving new players away in their formative levels kills games.

[Gli]

Here's looking at the revive achievement from a different angle.

I played for little over two hours today. I was revived twice and revived 5 people in turn. I consumed more revival opportunities than I produced. Some players that spend their natural playtime on a revive achievement day in a 'player-space' where too many people like me cause a deficit of player-on-player revive opportunities, will have to augment their achievement progress using unnatural, counterintuitive play, getting their revives in various contrived ways that have been posted here before.

I pose that there always will be player microcosms with a revival opportunity deficit, and thus, some people will have to resort to unnatural, counterintuitive play to meet their daily achievement. I don't consider such an achievement a desirable part of the game.

[Auenwing]

The Condor, on 31 January 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

It's surprising so many complain about these new dailies, when some of them are so incredibly easy it's a joke.  If people have a problem with them, chances are they aren't thinking, which wouldn't be surprising reading some of the posts here.

I can't believe anyone would complain about crafting, since all you have to do is refine t1 materials.  That's a time investment of 20 seconds max.  Yet some geniuses are so against the very thought of this daily they don't notice the simple side-step to it.

Reviving likely comes naturally while playing, but if it doesn't there are several hearts in the world which are NPC graveyards.  3 off the top of my head:  gendarren fields' medic one south of the big centaur camp, blazeridge steps SE corner with the charr arguing with humans, and sparkfly fen north of tequatl where there's a bunch of sylvari in the water.  Hardly takes anytime at all.

Veterans can most easily be done in Orr with any meta-event.  Or fighting skill challenges summon vets, or a dragon fight.  Often times vets spawn in events that you'll likely get it while doing your daily events.

The only real thing these new dailies do is make you consciously acknowledge them.  In the past we likely killed 5 vets a day and revived 10 people a day, but we didn't notice it because we didn't have to.  Now it's at the forefront of our minds so dwell on getting it.  If players stop over thinking everything they might not even notice the dailies.  Hope this is a more uplifting message than the rest of my cynical rant.

All in all, I'm just glad I have to worry about daily kill variety less now.

Crafting is easier than that. Don't even need to gather. Just pick up cooking, buy less than 2 silver's worth of water and flour (80 c each), make 10 bread. Done. However, some players don't want to be "forced" to craft. I happen to craft. It's not a problem for me. It is for some players. Whether it's "easy" or not is not the issue.

Gendarran Fields for the medic heart is overrun with folks well above level (particularly 80's) who are sitting around waiting for NPCs to die and pouncing on them when they do, regardless of aggro on other players, and those trying to do the heart. Taking time is not the issue.

I don't believe all of us killed 5 vets per day, nor rezzed 10 people. Depends totally on the area, who is there, what is happening. Yes, you would expect to be able to kill 10 veterans in the regular course of play over how many hours? There are players that are time-constrained on any given day. "Awareness" is not the issue.

What's easier than killing 15 different mobs? Takes no more time than killing 10 veteran mobs (while trying to get there before they die to an 80), nor finding 10 NPCs to rez. If you're smart about, it may actually take less time, including travel.

The difference is a player could kill ANY different 15 mobs without impacting other players. Or negatively degrading the community feel in the game.

The good news is that there are enough level 80s flooding into the lowbie zones that events are overflowing in the 4-7 PM range. This is a good thing for new folks to the game, to set their experience in a way that was similar to release.

Having 80's competing for, and killing mobs faster than lower level players (even with downranking) may negatvely impact new player's perceptions, particularly when some of those (like revives) can interfere with heart completion.

Let's be clear. These are not complaints. They are observations.

The new dailies are easy to do.

That is not the point.

The issue, as Beale pointed out, is that (a) focus group / red teams check for game impact does not seem to have occurred (hence the "perverse behavior" as players play to the reward mechanism at the expense of community.)  And the oft quoted urban studies from the 70's regarding "intuitive change".

As a retired software dev, I learned over 35 years ago that customers regularly do things with your product that you do not expect (from your own internal focus, EVEN if you use the product yourself.)  This is even more true in MMOs, when devs have "insider information" that colors/filters their own game playing experience. That's why it's important to have an outside or "red team" perspective. To double check.

Yes, the new dailies are easy.

Are they good for the game? Do they cause a change in the community-oriented feel of the game?

The issue I and Beale have raised is overall impact on the game from a community and player experience (especially new players) point of view.

This is not about ease of doing the dailies.


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Edited by Auenwing, 01 February 2013 - 03:25 AM.

[The Condor]

Auenwing, on 01 February 2013 - 03:16 AM, said:

-snip-

Who the hell are you arguing against?  What makes you think my post was directed at you?  Are you usually this defensive?

Seriously, my comment was more for people like say Protoss, who complains about crafting.  Or for all those players displaying "perverse behavior" because they didn't think about it.

Camping Queensdale for vets is beyond stupid, which is why I said there's so many better ways to kill vets.  These are probably the people who play enough to routinely kill vets and revive people without being aware of it.  If they just played the game they'd probably get through most of their daily, and if need be, do what I do (as described in my previous post).  But it's not like Anet is coercing these players to act this way, the players came up with their own poorly thought out solution.

My argument was that these dailies are easy to do, that's it.  I don't see how you got so much more out of it.  You say that's not the problem here.  I say I don't care.  We're talking two different points here.

But what the hell, I'll weigh in on this "perverse behavior:"

Yeah dude, that sucks.  Glad these dailies haven't poorly affected my game time.  Hopefully those morons figure out better ways to get their dailies like I have.

Oh, and the ease of kill variety wasn't what I dislike, it's that it was almost always a conscious effort to get it rather than just happening from playing.

[AKGeo]

my level 26 ranger was able to complete the daily just fine in queensdale. It's not overflowing at all. And if you have a mid-level character, go into a mid-level area like Brisban or Halrathi. Halrathi is actually a great zone for a daily. Huge event chain in the northeast centaur camp, lots of veteran mobs, the whole area has a good variety of enemy types and gathering nodes, a ton of fast-attacking ranged enemies to dodge, lots of dead NPCs to revive. etc etc etc.

[matsif]

after a few days, I find that I complete it in the same time as I did the old ones, except now I'm taking extra time to get ori for the daily instead of just getting copper to get the daily over with.  not a huge change honestly except it has new objectives, I still get all but gathering done in like 15 minutes or less on my old paths anyways.

[Ritualist]

The Condor, on 01 February 2013 - 04:09 AM, said:

Seriously, my comment was more for people like say Protoss, who complains about crafting.

I absolutely hate crafting and I never do it (the only time I ever did it in this game was to craft one of the bags on a character, but I deleted that guy since, so ALL my current characters have 0 in EVERYTHING crafting-related), yet I am fully aware that the achievement is easy to do and I THINK I was careful to not single it out in this thread.
If I did point it out though, I hope I said something in the lines of being a stupid addition because it forces people to do completely optional activities that have absolutely nothing to do with the core gameplay rather than saying it was "hard to do".

So, if I am not mistaken, I pointed out the requirements that do represent the core gameplay, yet are too specific for the game - reviving, DEs, vets, ... These additions make sense, yet the daily does not take into account that certain parts of the game do not give you the chance to complete them. With that in mind, I haven't earned a single laurel yet, because my idea of playing is to load a character and then explore the area my character is in (and advance him by doing that) and in the last 3 days I haven't been in areas that would allow me to complete all the requirements - 2 days ago I couldn't do the vets requirement and yesterday, after 30 minutes of playing, I haven't ran across a single DE.

Edited by Protoss, 01 February 2013 - 10:36 AM.

[zwei2stein]

Shroomhead Fred, on 31 January 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:

I'm struggling to understand this complaint as well.  These are like two essential things you should be doing in this game...  I'm loving the new dailies, mainly because I hardly notice them being done, they just get completed naturally as I play.

Dodging is fine, but the way they give credit for it is not: You do not credit for evading attack, you get credit for using dodge-invurblah during attack.

I have long learned to dodge before attack connects, not during that. I am playing well enough to dodge throu foe as soon as windup animation starts and continue attacking from behind.

And healer - revives are stupid because it depends on players being unable to dodge big attacks (which is counterintuitive with dodging daily) or just playing shity and dying/allowing npcs to die. If everything goes "right" you can literally spend hours in game without comming across single revive opportunity.

Neither "wait till last seccond" or "aggro foes on npcs so that they die" is not natural. Dodge could be tuned better, but healer needs to be abolished.

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Also, there is now schedulle: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Daily

You get dodge 4 days a week and healer 5 days a week. Every week.

While something that is both more natural and challening like veteran slayer and kill variety is only 2/week.

[Sheepski]

The Condor, on 31 January 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

It's surprising so many complain about these new dailies, when some of them are so incredibly easy it's a joke.  If people have a problem with them, chances are they aren't thinking, which wouldn't be surprising reading some of the posts here.

I can't believe anyone would complain about crafting, since all you have to do is refine t1 materials.  That's a time investment of 20 seconds max.  Yet some geniuses are so against the very thought of this daily they don't notice the simple side-step to it.

Reviving likely comes naturally while playing, but if it doesn't there are several hearts in the world which are NPC graveyards.  3 off the top of my head:  gendarren fields' medic one south of the big centaur camp, blazeridge steps SE corner with the charr arguing with humans, and sparkfly fen north of tequatl where there's a bunch of sylvari in the water.  Hardly takes anytime at all.

Veterans can most easily be done in Orr with any meta-event.  Or fighting skill challenges summon vets, or a dragon fight.  Often times vets spawn in events that you'll likely get it while doing your daily events.

The only real thing these new dailies do is make you consciously acknowledge them.  In the past we likely killed 5 vets a day and revived 10 people a day, but we didn't notice it because we didn't have to.  Now it's at the forefront of our minds so dwell on getting it.  If players stop over thinking everything they might not even notice the dailies.  Hope this is a more uplifting message than the rest of my cynical rant.

All in all, I'm just glad I have to worry about daily kill variety less now.

^^ Agree.

I wish we had some sort of tracking system for these things; "Total Veterans Killed" "Total Allies Revived" etc so people could really see, in context, how easy and organic completing 90% of dailies are.

Edited by Sheepski, 01 February 2013 - 11:39 AM.

[raspberry jam]

Sheepski, on 01 February 2013 - 11:38 AM, said:

^^ Agree.

I wish we had some sort of tracking system for these things; "Total Veterans Killed" "Total Allies Revived" etc so people could really see, in context, how easy and organic completing 90% of dailies are.

I recommend everyone to read this article. http://chrishecker.c...idered_harmful?

Here is an on point quote:

For interesting tasks,

• Tangible, expected, contingent rewards reduce free-choice intrinsic motivation, and
  
• Verbal, unexpected, informational feedback, increases free-choice and self-reported intrinsic motivation.

[astromarmot]

I'll admit I haven't had time to read that whole article, but the problem lies in that, while game developers themselves often start their projects with intrinsic motivations, to get them to mass market they must depend on the money of those driven by extrinsic motivations....

[Sword Hammer Axe]

If you can't get 15 dodges in a whole day or even 10 minutes, then you don't deserve any rewards whatsoever.

I like how they decided to change the dailies so it doesn't become the same old thing all day every day. I also like how they lowered the required kill variety. I was always looking around the map for that damn 15th kill. They may have made too few different ones, seeing as we're already back to kill variety and such.

[astromarmot]

Sword Hammer Axe, on 01 February 2013 - 12:08 PM, said:

If you can't get 15 dodges in a whole day or even 10 minutes, then you don't deserve any rewards whatsoever.

I like how they decided to change the dailies so it doesn't become the same old thing all day every day. I also like how they lowered the required kill variety. I was always looking around the map for that damn 15th kill. They may have made too few different ones, seeing as we're already back to kill variety and such.

Specifically targeting the task of such dodges, yes, it's not difficult to get them in short order once you recognize the mechanic that triggers the cheese...but it's hardly organic...the healing one is another given the lack of peeps in lower level areas, (my characters range from level 20 to level 64) yes I can find some place to rez a bunch of NPCs but it's not part of playing the game, but specifcally doing a silly task that has no meaning other than chasing the cheese...

[Fizzypop]

Gli, on 01 February 2013 - 03:16 AM, said:

Here's looking at the revive achievement from a different angle.

I played for little over two hours today. I was revived twice and revived 5 people in turn. I consumed more revival opportunities than I produced. Some players that spend their natural playtime on a revive achievement day in a 'player-space' where too many people like me cause a deficit of player-on-player revive opportunities, will have to augment their achievement progress using unnatural, counterintuitive play, getting their revives in various contrived ways that have been posted here before.

I pose that there always will be player microcosms with a revival opportunity deficit, and thus, some people will have to resort to unnatural, counterintuitive play to meet their daily achievement. I don't consider such an achievement a desirable part of the game.

Are you kidding me? If you play in Orr you can protect a pack of npcs all you want and they'll still die....often while you are taking on 4-5 mobs they wander around hitting another. There is no lack of npcs to rez in orr. Players aren't required to finish it at all nor do you have to "let" npcs die.

Go to Doric's Waypoint bam done. It's also part of an event!

Edited by Fizzypop, 01 February 2013 - 03:39 PM.

[BrettM]

I'm a bit bothered by goals that require me to send a character back to town four days a week. I keep my characters out in the field for days at a time, working on their current goal, whether that's personal story, mapping, farming, or whatever. They go back to town when they need to go back to town, whether to craft something I need, visit the bank, or some other activity that can only be done in town.

So, now I have to send at least one character back to town four days a week. Parking a character in town is not a solution, since that only shifts when I pay the wp costs to get him back in the field where he needs to be without changing the fact that I need to pay these costs if I am to complete the daily. And ANet thinks it's a good idea to make me do this once a week just to visit a Laurel Vendor regardless of whether I need to buy anything from him? There goes a big chunk of the silver reward from doing the daily, spent for no sensible purpose.

On the other three days, I can just send my cook in to make 10 loaves of bread according to the wise advice in this thread. What in the heck am I supposed to do with 30 loaves of bread every week, with each batch costing me another big chunk of the silver reward from that daily? Or I could settle for refining some materials. Except that I don't need any refined materials right now that are below tier six, and I don't get enough of the raw t6 mats in most weeks to produce 30 refined t6. So I'll have to settle for lower-tier materials, most of which seem to sell for less in a refined state than if I sold them raw. So once again the daily sucks some money out of my pocket.

Some of the other achievements often require me to go out of my way to meet them, with the possibility of additional wp costs if I don't feel like running the distance. Monday and Saturday I need to find a body of water. It doesn't matter if any of my characters actually need anything in or around a body of water, I need to hang out there until I've made 25 kills, which strikes me as being even more limiting than roaming the landscape looking for 13 different things to kill. At least I can be gathering, mapping, and/or doing DE while roaming for variety, but I can't do much of any of those while camping some pond. Five days a week I need to go find a place where either NPCs or players are dying quickly or where there are large numbers of them lying about, whether I want or need to be in that place or not.

Overall the new dailies give us more variety (good!) yet take away flexibility in getting them done as we go about our ordinary business, while requiring us to spend most of the reward money before we get it. This is a good thing?

[Humfly]

BrettM, on 01 February 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:

On the other three days, I can just send my cook in to make 10 loaves of bread according to the wise advice in this thread. What in the heck am I supposed to do with 30 loaves of bread every week, with each batch costing me another big chunk of the silver reward from that daily?

Currently you can buy pepper corns for 8c, salt costs 8c. Piles of salt and pepper have buy orders at 14c. Currently the crafting daily will cost you 20c, or if you are prepared to wait you could sell at the bin price of 20c and make 20c.

Seems like the dodging this daily does encourage players to get a clue.

[Gli]

Fizzypop, on 01 February 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

Are you kidding me? If you play in Orr you can protect a pack of npcs all you want and they'll still die....often while you are taking on 4-5 mobs they wander around hitting another. There is no lack of npcs to rez in orr. Players aren't required to finish it at all nor do you have to "let" npcs die.

Go to Doric's Waypoint bam done. It's also part of an event!

Well, that's great, you found a place where you can revive NPCs. I can name a dozen others. The point is, playing on any given day won't always get someone near one of those places. It's very easy to play for hours on end without having the opportunity to do 10 revives.

What makes this achievement rubbish in my opinion, is that it requires people to feed off a negative thing, i.e. people going down, be they players or NPCs. Sure, you'll have some opportunity during regular play, but when you don't get enough, you'll need to go cruising for misery or do things like taking turns running off the edge of Mistlock Observatory. Sure, it's easy enough, but it's a nonsensical and contrived activity. Other opportunity-based daily achievements at least require you to go on a hunt for positive things when opportunities didn't present themselves often enough during natural play. Gathering? It makes you money! Killing some extra monsters? Well done, you stopped a threat, and you can have its stuff too, if it has any.

[sevalaricgirl]

Absolutely hate the new dailies.  I don't craft on any characters except my main.  I don't dodge with my warrior in PvE.  I don't do combos because no one is around when I play.  So no, I don't like the new dailies.  I wish they left well enough alone.

[The_Blades]

sevalaricgirl, on 01 February 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

Absolutely hate the new dailies.  I don't craft on any characters except my main.  I don't dodge with my warrior in PvE.  I don't do combos because no one is around when I play.  So no, I don't like the new dailies.  I wish they left well enough alone.

Me me me me!!!! and then some more me.
tough luck.

i personaly like them. to hell with the repetitive tasks. everyday log in and kill 60 monters 15 different between them do 5 events and gather 20 thinguies... well at least this is a bit diferent.

[christiansoldier]

This thread like many surprises me because of the passion that it invokes in some people.  I have always viewed that the daily and monthly achievements as optional.  I nice to have bonus.  I have been playing since the beta and have only made 1 monthly achievement and maybe a small fraction of the daily achiements.  When I talk with co workers that play GW2 they are in the same boat.  I think most casual players do not earn the monthly and only the dailys on days they have a long block of time to play.

[cheezewiz]

sevalaricgirl, on 01 February 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

Absolutely hate the new dailies.  I don't craft on any characters except my main. I don't dodge with my warrior in PvE.  I don't do combos because no one is around when I play.  So no, I don't like the new dailies.  I wish they left well enough alone.

let me guess, you hate the new dungeon changes too, right?

[OmegaS24]

If anyone is still having problems with the Veteran achievement they can either go to SE of Queensdale for Pinesouls or the 3 Veteran centaurs near the SE most skill point or SW of Gendarren near the skill point and kill the Pinesouls. There's also several Veteran Ice Trolls in the chasm on the East side of Frostgorge Sound.