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#1 kanaxais_scythe

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:42 PM

can anyone explain to me why we keep having monthly content additions and hardly any bug fixes? on top of that they felt the need to add yet another currency tot he game which isn't needed. the new acievements are also a joke as they reward players for things they should already be doing such as ressing and dodging. crafting i can see being iffy but having that as a daily is the same as wvw in the monthly pve stuff which they wont change. also more stuff added to the gem store, are they that desparate for cash?

#2 Impmon

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:46 PM

Few months from now you'll be awarded achievements for logging in.

#3 MisterB

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 09:03 PM

View PostImpmon, on 31 January 2013 - 08:46 PM, said:

Few months from now you'll be awarded achievements for logging in.

That's been a feature since release: influence is rewarded for logging in. An achievement is earned for contributing influence.

#4 MrForz

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 09:47 PM

Well. There were games about this. Reminds me of that... Achievement Game on NG hehe.

Edited by MrForz, 31 January 2013 - 09:47 PM.


#5 TGIFrisbie

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 09:52 PM

Cause monkeys can use "tools" to create new content.  Real devs are required to break down code and find where bugs lie.  It's a matter of money.  Monkeys work for bananas.

#6 Nightblaze1

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 10:00 PM

Stop your freaking complaining. Agh, you remind me of annoying little toddlers! I am thoroughly enjoying this new content. I love the idea of these achievements, it supports the casual players that don't want to run stupid fractals or dungeons all the time to get the best gear. This is why I purchase and play GW2 to begin with, because it is a CASUAL game and was advertised that way. Gosh, you all knew what you were getting into.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 10:16 PM

I don't want to speculate about Arenanets development process but one logical answer would be the team that works on the bug fixes that you are upset about has not completed them or does not think they are a priority.  The teams that worked on the new content have simply met their deliverables. It would be a gross simplication to assume all developers are working on the same thing and that the release of new content means no one is working on bug fixes or that you can simply transfer resources from one team to the other and it speeds things up.

Edited by christiansoldier, 31 January 2013 - 10:17 PM.


#8 MartinFirestorm

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 10:16 PM

There are bug fixes too, and there have been plenty of others. If you don't like the new content, what's the problem? Do something else. You honestly don't want any content updates until every single bug, no matter how minor, has been squashed? No thanks to that.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 10:17 PM

And what is exactly new content, except that refugee "thingy" i haven`t seen anything else, am i missing something ?
Was i the only one expecting some new maps and actual "new" stuff ?

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 10:17 PM

Uh, what OP? I guess you missed the bug fixes on the patch notes...

I haven't had that many issues with bugs so far, and definitely nothing gamebreaking (though I have encountered some broken events and weird crap in the stories on occasion... But they've been working on these, I have seen fixes to many of the issues I'd noticed). Guess I've been lucky.

Also, daily stuff is meant for casual play. So what if we res and dodge every other minute in the game. The open world is easy enough anyway with the exception of a few harder DEs and some wacko story quests. Yeah dodging 15 times and crafting 10 bolts of jute is hardly an achievement, but at least it's stuff anyone can do even in a very limited timeframe. Hardcore players have fractals and other dungeons to keep 'em busy anyway!

As for the cash shop... You didn't expect them to add more stuff mate? Be happy we're getting as much free stuff as we are... It's not like we need any of the cash shop things to play anyway. Only money I'm gonna spend on it is some character slots eventually ;)


View PostAlex Dimitri, on 31 January 2013 - 10:17 PM, said:

And what is exactly new content, except that refugee "thingy" i haven`t seen anything else, am i missing something ?
Was i the only one expecting some new maps and actual "new" stuff ?

I do believe they said that this would be a small patch compared to the bigger content patches in Feb/March :) Expect more stuff in the upcoming months - but I'd still keep those expectations in check, I really don't think we'll see anything close to an expansion's worth of content or anything.

Edited by Heart Collector, 31 January 2013 - 10:19 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 10:36 PM

Yet another complaining topic about the latest update. How can people non-stop complain about EVERYTHING.

kanaxais_scythe, you complain about adding new conted, instead of fixing the existing one. HAVE YOU EVEN READ the patch notes?
They consist of 90% bug fixes and rebalances. The only "new" content is the new currency and new quest line. Yet you complain? Oh, gosh...

The previous achievements were generally the same - instead of dogging or reviving you had to kill 10 creatures, or gather 20 nodes or something. I see no reason why the new ones are in any way, shape or form worse!

This game is getting better, people just blindly refuse to accept changes and improvements.

#12 TGIFrisbie

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 10:57 PM

View PostNightblaze1, on 31 January 2013 - 10:00 PM, said:

Stop your freaking complaining. Agh, you remind me of annoying little toddlers! I am thoroughly enjoying this new content. I love the idea of these achievements, it supports the casual players that don't want to run stupid fractals or dungeons all the time to get the best gear. This is why I purchase and play GW2 to begin with, because it is a CASUAL game and was advertised that way. Gosh, you all knew what you were getting into.

Uh for those of YOU new to this game, in a few months of no bug fixes you will see the point behind this OP.  Until then carry on at your anet altar.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:14 PM

There have been tons of bug fixes. Are you blind or do you not read any patch notes ever?

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:19 PM

View PostTGIFrisbie, on 31 January 2013 - 10:57 PM, said:

Uh for those of YOU new to this game, in a few months of no bug fixes you will see the point behind this OP.  Until then carry on at your anet altar.

Totally incorrect. I've been playing since headstart and the game now is much more polished than at launch. There used to be broken DEs and skill points everywhere in high level zones. Now it's semi-rare for me to find one that doesn't work. Yes there was a rocky period early on but recently A-Net has been nothing but great at fixing bugs and updating content. The fact that they are focused on improving the current game rather than dumping content into it is proof.

I would be curious to see a list of all the bugs that you seem to think are not being addressed.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:19 PM

View Postkanaxais_scythe, on 31 January 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

the new acievements are also a joke as they reward players for things they should already be doing such as ressing and dodging.
As opposed to the old daily achievements, which were all things no player would ever go out and do without there being a daily achievement for them, right? :huh:

Edited by Gli, 31 January 2013 - 11:20 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:21 PM

View PostVerene, on 31 January 2013 - 11:14 PM, said:

There have been tons of bug fixes. Are you blind or do you not read any patch notes ever?
I think, they choose to not look at them or just give a glance at them because its not what they are interested in.

#17 OriginalSinX

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:23 PM

I sometimes wonder why i even check these forums when this game is giving us new content, working and fixing bugs all the time, but still people will complain ad nauseam like any other game is doing more, or even as much.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:37 PM

Did the update ruin the entire game for you to the point it's just unplayable?

If so, we all apologize you can't have fun anymore.

If not, then what's the problem again exactly?

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:39 PM

This is the way of Asian cash shop based grinders.  They know that the anticipation of new content, no matter how trivial or mundane, will keep human beings hanging around spending money while they wait.

Never mind that it's all buggy and quite of bit of it is cheesy.  The production line is just too spread out over several continents to make backing up and fixing things easy. Fixing cash shop related things get first priority and the rest is 'when we have time' which of course is not very often.

Sure there are lots of bug fixes listed in the patch notes, but if you actually play this game instead of get paid by the post to be a hack sock puppet, you would know there are key features that were promised at release that are either broken or incomplete.  Just go to the official forums, and look up the official bug lists for each profession.  I think what really burns people up is that many of these so called bug fixes are for things no one has ever complained of, yet the things people took the time to report remain untouched.

Edited by beadnbutter32, 31 January 2013 - 11:46 PM.


#20 TGIFrisbie

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:54 PM

To the clueless fanbois, bugs that exist and CRIPPLE weapon combinations, bugs with pets, on and on and on ... sad.

I will list just ONE example of the droves that exist since release, I am not here to be your pony ride.

Ranger sword #1 - ROOTS YOU IN PLACE.  The weapon is useless in PvP.  Been this way since day one.  Enjoy your laurels while anet sits on theirs.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:12 AM

View PostTGIFrisbie, on 31 January 2013 - 11:54 PM, said:

To the clueless fanbois, bugs that exist and CRIPPLE weapon combinations, bugs with pets, on and on and on ... sad.

I will list just ONE example of the droves that exist since release, I am not here to be your pony ride.

Ranger sword #1 - ROOTS YOU IN PLACE.  The weapon is useless in PvP.  Been this way since day one.  Enjoy your laurels while anet sits on theirs.

So some vague references to weapon combinations and pets along with one specific bug is how you back up your claim of no bug fixes:

View PostTGIFrisbie, on 31 January 2013 - 10:57 PM, said:

Uh for those of YOU new to this game, in a few months of no bug fixes you will see the point behind this OP.  Until then carry on at your anet altar.

Here I expected a laundry-list of issues I wasn't aware of. I'm honestly tired of the haters who misrepresent the state of the game. Sure there are still bugs, but they are being eliminated one after another and the game is quickly improving.

Am I a 'fanboi'? Maybe so, the term is suggestive. But at least I'm having a heck of a lot more fun than the haters. And having fun is all I really care about.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:15 AM

Since everybody is giving their own opinion here i will do it too.In my opinion ANet is not handling bug fixing as they should.I am comparing their work with  other developers work and it just look like they say: We gave you game,you paid for this but since your not paying subscription instead of fixing stuff we will put more unfinished content because it is easier and maybe somebody will still buy some gems.
Maybe I am overreacting but this is how it looks to me.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:20 AM

View Postkanaxais_scythe, on 31 January 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

can anyone explain to me why we keep having monthly content additions and hardly any bug fixes? on top of that they felt the need to add yet another currency tot he game which isn't needed. the new acievements are also a joke as they reward players for things they should already be doing such as ressing and dodging. crafting i can see being iffy but having that as a daily is the same as wvw in the monthly pve stuff which they wont change. also more stuff added to the gem store, are they that desparate for cash?
Dailies were ALWAYS meant to be rewards for stuff you should already be doing. Their purpose was to make the first hour of gameplay more profitable (xp wise) so that people who didn't have as much time to play could progress a little faster. To some extent, the new dailies now serve as a much better guide for new players for how the game should be played. They teach them that dodging is important, to pay attention and revive each other, encourage them to at least look at crafting, etc.

Hardly any bug fixes? Orr says "hello". There have been a lot of bug fixes made...many of them left out of the patch notes (like when they fixed the broken Ranger "Opening Strikes" trait beginning of Dec). The current patch has been more about "fixing/revisiting/revising existing content" than adding new content...

Yes, there are still events that break. The "Iron Marches" map is still a write-off - there's more broken stuff in there than just about anywhere else (that map was definitely not ready for release, and in reality still isn't up to "release quality"). But even there it's been slowly progressing (I actually got to *see* the Bria events for the first time since release last week...they've been broken every other time I've been through there, and now I've seen/done those about 3-4 times). But there's a huge amount of stuff that was broken at release that has been addressed too, and in general that improves with each content patch.

Edited by dawnmist, 01 February 2013 - 01:28 AM.


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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:23 AM

View Postdannywolt, on 01 February 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

So some vague references to weapon combinations and pets along with one specific bug is how you back up your claim of no bug fixes:



Here I expected a laundry-list of issues I wasn't aware of. I'm honestly tired of the haters who misrepresent the state of the game. Sure there are still bugs, but they are being eliminated one after another and the game is quickly improving.

Am I a 'fanboi'? Maybe so, the term is suggestive. But at least I'm having a heck of a lot more fun than the haters. And having fun is all I really care about.
On official forums every profession have treat about bugs and fixes.I checked it not so long ago and lists of those bugs for each class are not getting shorter.Some of the bugs are in game since launch.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:31 AM

View PostRezo, on 01 February 2013 - 12:23 AM, said:

On official forums every profession have treat about bugs and fixes.I checked it not so long ago and lists of those bugs for each class are not getting shorter.Some of the bugs are in game since launch.

Yeah I am aware that there are still bugs. 57 profession-related fixes in this last patch alone. My point is that A-Net is working through the bugs and I disagree with TGIFrisbie's claim of months of no bug fixes. Maybe the bugs he wants fixed aren't gone yet, but that is no reason to misrepresent reality.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:36 AM

What's funny is that they stated in one of their interviews that they planned on pushing out more, higher quality content, more regularly than subscription based games such as World of Warcraft. The game has been out for half a year now and there has been no major updates. That new zone with the giant crab things was pretty much a one time, laggy failure in hindsight...

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:47 AM

I've actually noticed they've been cracking right down with bug fixes lately. I feel it should have come before content but they're starting to take it more seriously now.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 01:05 AM

View PostTGIFrisbie, on 31 January 2013 - 10:57 PM, said:

Uh for those of YOU new to this game, in a few months of no bug fixes you will see the point behind this OP.  Until then carry on at your anet altar.

I'm surprised you haven't grown bored and/or tired of just making up lies on a regular basis. It's like you were getting paid for it or something.

View PostDarkobra, on 01 February 2013 - 12:47 AM, said:

I've actually noticed they've been cracking right down with bug fixes lately. I feel it should have come before content but they're starting to take it more seriously now.

Holidays are over and, in all honesty, they likely did over focus on delivering the holiday specials and the (terribl(y hilarious)e) karka event.Now that the holidays are over and they no longer have these "old fashioned customs to uphold" they are much more free to deal with the game. A lot of games have early on hiccups... Arena just happened to have one for the oddest of reasons.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 02:35 AM

View Postkanaxais_scythe, on 31 January 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

can anyone explain to me why we keep having monthly content additions and hardly any bug fixes? .....
Sure thing!

Look in your office - does your HR department do marketing?

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 02:44 AM

View Postbeadnbutter32, on 31 January 2013 - 11:39 PM, said:

I think what really burns people up is that many of these so called bug fixes are for things no one has ever complained of, yet the things people took the time to report remain untouched.

This is quite the assumption. Just because a bug was fixed that you didn't see anyone whine about on guru, doesn't mean it was never reported. Quite a few bugs I've reported have been fixed.




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