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[Khalija]

Today, Angel McCoy brings us a new blog post on the Living Story that was recently introduced in Guild Wars 2.

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Hey, everybody! I’m Angel McCoy, the narrative designer assigned to guide the Living Story in Guild Wars 2. I’m here to give you a little introduction to this content, what it means to the world of Tyria, and how you can get the most fun out of it. We’ve been working hard on it for several months, and we’re super excited to share it with you! The Living Story team (and all of ArenaNet) really hopes you like it.

You can read the full article here, but I've added bullet points for quick reference:

What is the Living Story?

• Will introduce you to new heroic characters, mysterious plot twists, and dramatic moments that affect the world
  
• New dynamic events - some that will change Tyria
  
• Designed to change up what’s happening in the world and to add to the evolving story and challenge of the game
  
• Simultaneously transitory and permanent

Themed Story Arcs

• Story arcs will play out over time
  
• You won't necessarily know how long an arc is
  
• The current arc, "Flame and Frost", is teaser content that has begun to make small changes - you can participate by volunteering to help the refugees streaming down from the Shiverpeaks in both the Wayfarer Foothills and Diessa Plateau

New Characters

• Characters you meet in the Living Story will periodically join up with you on adventures
  
• You’ll get to know heroes and villains who have been designed to add an air of mystery, mischief, and drama - some well-connected to characters you've already met

Not Holiday; Life

• Living Stories are different than holidays or major events because it's an evolving storyline rather than a single event/festival
  
• Because they are a more organic experience, some parts of a Living Story will be much more subtle than major holidays and events

Gameplay Support

• Introducing a new achievement category: Living Story Achievements that can give titles and rewards
  
• Gold stars on your map will guide you to where you need to go and which characters to approach
  
• Each city has heralds that will announce the latest news - two NPCs per city

Flame and Frost: Prelude

• As mentioned earlier, this part of the Living Story is a teaser of what is to come
  
• This will play out for a few months

  

  

[Graka]

Well, if I wasn't sold before, I am now. Thank you Anet!

[Azure Skye]

I just want to know how much they are going to be updated, every month, every fortnight or every week.

[Maarius]

[quote name='Azure Skye' timestamp='1359673157' post='2155592']
I just want to know how much they are going to be updated, every month, every fortnight or every week.
[/quote]

well you could stay away from GW2 for weeks and experience the prelude nontheless it seems:
[quote]This month, you’ll be playing through a light preamble, a teaser intended to whet your appetite for the rest of the story. [b]This content will stick around for a couple months, so you have plenty of time to play it before it goes away[/b], and we’ll be adding to it as well. [/quote]
so for me it looks like they add small changes but keep the previous changes still going on...

Edited by Maarius, 31 January 2013 - 11:08 PM.

[Azure Skye]

[quote name='Maarius' timestamp='1359673581' post='2155597']
well you could stay away from GW2 for weeks and experience the prelude nontheless it seems:

so for me it looks like they add small changes but keep the previous changes still going on...
[/quote]I know that but i know they are saving the juicy parts for holidays. Are they saving these tid-bits with every monthly update or can expect them in when they do bug fixes or when ever they finish them and go thru Q& A and all that jazz.

Edited by Azure Skye, 31 January 2013 - 11:17 PM.

[Maarius]

[quote name='Azure Skye' timestamp='1359674120' post='2155605']
I know that but i know they are saving the juicy parts for holidays. Are they saving these tid-bits with every monthly update or can expect them in when they do bug fixes or when ever they finish them and go thru Q& A and all that jazz.
[/quote]
good question, we have this:
[quote]
The Living Story is different from our in-game Holidays or major events, because it’s based around an evolving storyline rather than a single festival. We’ll begin by introducing plotlines in our regular game releases. In this way, you may only get a portion of the story now—a taste, a nibble, a prelude— but as the story unfolds, you’ll get meatier content and get a chance to solve the mysteries we introduce earlier. We’re in it for the long term, and we hope you will be too.
[b]Because The Living Story is designed to be an organic experience, the story content will, at times, proceed with much less fanfare than our holidays or major events.[/b] You’ll witness the citizens of Tyria living their lives, fighting their foes, making good and bad decisions, and paying the consequences for them; and if you choose, you can be the friend who sees them through their darkest hours and who joins them in their celebrations.
[/quote]
regarding the bold part I'd say we get relatively regular small updates - the sum of those would make a new big picture. We got constant upgrades of the refugees-events the last days, started with wayfarer foothills activities - occasional events, followed by a similar happening in Diessa Plateau.

[beadnbutter32]

Please tell me there will be lollipops, and maybe even a trip to Candyland!

[Doctor Overlord]

Thanks for the link, I hadn't seen that blogpost.   It sounds very cool.  

[quote name='Azure Skye' timestamp='1359673157' post='2155592']
I just want to know how much they are going to be updated, every month, every fortnight or every week.
[/quote]
It is a little worrying that we're not going to know how long these story stages will last.   I rushed to get the refugee one completed in a single night when it's clear that it will be around for a few days.   Players don't like to be surprised this way, I think ArenaNet would be much better served by a clearer schedule when the events will be available.   Suddenly removing them will tick off people without warning will tick off people no matter how long they've been up.

But I'm a story-hound so I'm really excited to hear that there will be more development on that side of things.  So far I haven't seen a really worthwhile villain in GW2 like the Lich or Shiro from GW1 and a good story needs a decent villain.   The Elder Dragons are like having a hurricane as the villain, which can work but it's not the same as having a real nemesis you can hate.

Edited by Doctor Overlord, 01 February 2013 - 12:07 AM.

[Kovares]

[quote] Will introduce you to new heroic characters, mysterious plot twists, and dramatic moments that affect the world
[/quote]

Wow, after the "personal story", I am already afraid of more of their abysmal storytelling...

[Craywulf]

I wouldn't worry about how often these LS' (Living Story) are updated. I think it will vary depending on how big of story it is and what they wanna do. So some months there might be a small update and other times they'll deliver bigger update much later. Point here is that these LS are going continuously evolve throughout the lifespan of the game. This is attempt by ArenaNet to create a more lively world. Whether it becomes successful, remains to be seen. I will say this, success or fail, I think this is step in the right direction in giving open world more credibility in terms of story and lore.

[quote name='Doctor Overlord' timestamp='1359677173' post='2155644']
Thanks for the link, I hadn't seen that blogpost.   It sounds very cool.  


It is a little worrying that we're not going to know how long these story stages will last.   I rushed to get the refugee one completed in a single night when it's clear that it will be around for a few days.   Players don't like to be surprised this way, I think ArenaNet would be much better served by a clearer schedule when the events will be available.   Suddenly removing them will tick off people without warning will tick off people no matter how long they've been up.[/quote]I'm sorry but I disagree, I think players have gotten far too spoiled by knowing too much about the scope of the story. If we are to expect ArenaNet to create a living, breathing world, then these LS should not be a "scheduled" event. It's like saying your house will be on fire from 10am to 11pm everyday for this month only, please make a point to put out the fire between this allotted time. What's wrong with showing up late and barely help put an unscheduled fire out? The latter is more plausible and makes for greater impact in terms of feeling like the players who were actually there to put fire out mattered. Of course I realize that there are millions of players would "miss out" on it. Truthfully people miss out on stuff that goes on all around them. So why suddenly is it unfair in a massive online video game?

I thought Lost Shores was much greater live event, I know people had problems, but it was more technical as well as lack of understanding that it was in fact "live" event. Most just expected these events to happen just because they themselves showed up.

Edited by Khalija, 01 February 2013 - 12:39 AM.

[Evokerz]

[quote name='Doctor Overlord' timestamp='1359677173' post='2155644']
So far I haven't seen a really worthwhile villain in GW2 like the Lich or Shiro from GW1 and a good story needs a decent villain.   The Elder Dragons are like having a hurricane as the villain, which can work but it's not the same as having a real nemesis you can hate.
[/quote]

Well, we have Grand Marshal Trehearne, he is a major villain to my character, made me do all the dirty work and he takes all the credit him self

[Osiris Neits]

[quote name='Evokerz' timestamp='1359680654' post='2155688']
Well, we have Grand Marshal Trehearne, he is a major villain to my character, made me do all the dirty work and he takes all the credit him self
[/quote]

I really hate that guy. So arrogant and condescending. "Yeah, I know those guys were trying to kill you, but it's obvious they are REALLY just trying to get to ME." Ok, dude, w/e.

[Butcher]

Living story in GW2: fix signs, and light fires.

Pretty lame TBH.

[Lol Lol Lol Guy]

[quote name='Kovares' timestamp='1359677267' post='2155645']
Wow, after the "personal story", I am already afraid of more of their abysmal storytelling...
[/quote]

The personal story was the lowest point of Anet's writing ever. The lore in gw2 however is still pretty dang good. It wasnt the story of Gw2 that was bad (it was generic but not really bad) it's just the execution of HOW the story came to be. lol

[Zedabi]

[quote name='Butcher' timestamp='1359688688' post='2155758']
Living story in GW2: fix signs, and light fires.

Pretty lame TBH.
[/quote]

You're one of those who skips to the end of the book, right?

[Ritualist]

This is my big issue:
[quote]This content will stick around for a couple months, so you have plenty of time to play it before it goes away ...[/quote]
I REALLY wish they'd focus on permanent additions to the world. Fill the world with on-demand, permanent content and THEN add things that will be later removed because I honestly do not think that the game has enough content to be able to focus on throw-away content at this time.

[Volkon]

Please, don't bring Trehearne into this. This won't end well if you do.

[Doctor Overlord]

[quote name='Craywulf' timestamp='1359677444' post='2155646']
I wouldn't worry about how often these LS' (Living Story) are updated. I think it will vary depending on how big of story it is and what they wanna do. So some months there might be a small update and other times they'll deliver bigger update much later. Point here is that these LS are going continuously evolve throughout the lifespan of the game. This is attempt by ArenaNet to create a more lively world. Whether it becomes successful, remains to be seen. I will say this, success or fail, I think this is step in the right direction in giving open world more credibility in terms of story and lore.

I'm sorry but I disagree, I think players have gotten far too spoiled by knowing too much about the scope of the story. If we are to expect ArenaNet to create a living, breathing world, then these LS should not be a "scheduled" event. It's like saying your house will be on fire from 10am to 11pm everyday for this month only, please make a point to put out the fire between this allotted time. What's wrong with showing up late and barely help put an unscheduled fire out? The latter is more plausible and makes for greater impact in terms of feeling like the players who were actually there to put fire out mattered. Of course I realize that there are millions of players would "miss out" on it. Truthfully people miss out on stuff that goes on all around them. So why suddenly is it unfair in a massive online video game?[/quote]This is a story and if you want to keep people's interest in a story you make certain they have the chance to consistently follow it.    Books aren't published with randomly skipped chapters and TV shows have learned to re-broadcast their new episodes at different times in the same week.

I'm not saying we need an exact timetable like we saw with holiday events or the Lost Shores where we knew the precise hour that something was going to happen.   What I'm suggesting is that we be told what we can expect as far as rough time scales.  How long will the refugees will be running around, is it a few days?   A few weeks? It sounds like new clues are already being introduced.   That's great but how long will they stick around?

Plus ArenaNet decided to connected achievements into the Living Story.  An achievement is a distinct goal and basically that means we're keeping score of our progress.  And in that case we need more information for players who either want to maximize their score or want to try to follow the complete story.  

It doesn't diminish the immersion of the Living Story by knowing the time scales of its parts anymore knowing the length of a book or how long a movie runs lessens the experience.    Immersion is obtained by the quality of the story when it is being shown to you.   Knowing the time it takes to see story allows you to fit it into your schedule so you don't have to worry about missing it.

Edited by Doctor Overlord, 01 February 2013 - 10:48 PM.

[Caerulei]

Goodness, Guru forums are so heavy and serious.  Let's lighten things up on this topic.

So, calling it now, Rox is Ritlock's new babe.  Just my suspicion.

I'm looking forward to meeting all the other recurring characters (provided Trahearne keeps his leafy derrière back in Orr) and new characters such as Rox.  This means more voice acting, more charr story, more Steve Blum , so I'm a happy charr.

Although, this could ruin my headcanon concerning Ritlock and Caithe...

[Eddie Sells Out]

[quote name='Zedabi' timestamp='1359712322' post='2155883']
You're one of those who skips to the end of the book, right?
[/quote]

I don't understand what you mean? I tried playing some of the living story today, was told to do to the plains to help the refugees. Tried speaking to them, they won't tell me anything, lit the fire, fixed the sign. Still nothing, moved on to the next pointer on the map. Same thing.

Hardly interesting, if Im missing something, please tell me, because I'd like to go do it, but unfortunately the game doesn't seem to be giving me many indications of what to do, other than the fire lighting and sign fixing. Not really sure what the story is meant to be about.

[Zedabi]

[quote name='Eddie Sells Out' timestamp='1359825052' post='2156661']


I don't understand what you mean? I tried playing some of the living story today, was told to do to the plains to help the refugees. Tried speaking to them, they won't tell me anything, lit the fire, fixed the sign. Still nothing, moved on to the next pointer on the map. Same thing.

Hardly interesting, if Im missing something, please tell me, because I'd like to go do it, but unfortunately the game doesn't seem to be giving me many indications of what to do, other than the fire lighting and sign fixing. Not really sure what the story is meant to be about.
[/quote]

At the moment you're just helping a bunch of refugees out by putting signs up, lighting fires yadda yadda.

We don't know what has caused the refugees to flee yet, because we haven't got to that part of the story yet.

Kinda like reading a book. You reveal stuff as you go along, and not all right at the beginning.

After all, we can't predict the future

[Besath]

Zedabi, on 03 February 2013 - 03:48 AM, said:

At the moment you're just helping a bunch of refugees out by putting signs up, lighting fires yadda yadda.

We don't know what has caused the refugees to flee yet, because we haven't got to that part of the story yet.

Kinda like reading a book. You reveal stuff as you go along, and not all right at the beginning.

After all, we can't predict the future

Still, he's right. The achievement goes up to 75 and without any schedule of when the next parts are going to come it makes you want to finish it fast which becomes boring around 40 points.

Edited by Besath, 03 February 2013 - 12:17 PM.

[Eddie Sells Out]

Zedabi, on 03 February 2013 - 03:48 AM, said:

At the moment you're just helping a bunch of refugees out by putting signs up, lighting fires yadda yadda.

We don't know what has caused the refugees to flee yet, because we haven't got to that part of the story yet.

Kinda like reading a book. You reveal stuff as you go along, and not all right at the beginning.

After all, we can't predict the future

That may well be the case, but that doesn't make the current content any more engaging. We don't have any story, and the content we have at the moment is incredibly dull. How is that meant to be fun?

[tfckmk988]

Eddie Sells Out, on 03 February 2013 - 09:02 PM, said:

That may well be the case, but that doesn't make the current content any more engaging. We don't have any story, and the content we have at the moment is incredibly dull. How is that meant to be fun?

i think it is supposed to be a teaser to get you to pay attention as you play in the coming month or 2 i don't think it was their intention for ppl to get the volunteer title in a couple days

[kendro1200]

Kovares, on 01 February 2013 - 12:07 AM, said:

Wow, after the "personal story", I am already afraid of more of their abysmal storytelling...

Your story might have sucked, but mine was alright, except for when I got to Orr.  Once I was in Orr people died left and right and I was then congratulated for doing a "good job" and sent on more missions where more people were killed and I was told I did "everything I could" and I was like D:  because they were alive, then cinematics would pop up and then they'd kill over.
That and the ending inside of Arah are my only two gripes about the personal story.  Everything else was pretty good.  Although if you were human, you have no reason to gripe about your personal stories, they were known to be fairly bland before retail even started.

[Zedabi]

Eddie Sells Out, on 03 February 2013 - 09:02 PM, said:

That may well be the case, but that doesn't make the current content any more engaging. We don't have any story, and the content we have at the moment is incredibly dull. How is that meant to be fun?

But we do have a story. Refugees have had to leave an area because of something going on. We just don't know how it's going to play out yet. It's like reading a book.

It's different from our personal stories, where we knew where we'd end eventually, because the event is in the now, and hasn't already happened.

Although I will say they could have added more to this part if it's going to play out over a few weeks:

* Hunting for supplies (meat, water ect)
* Creating temporary housing by gathering materials (wood, rocks ect) and crafting them (planks)
* Warding off attacks

[I'm Squirrel]

Pretty disappointed by the Prelude ATM.

-Run around fixing 50 signposts

I'm hoping the new Aidan, Cynn, Eve, Mhenlo, and Devona will be introduced in a story arc though...

[Trei]

It's just ironic that I found myself (at 40/75 Volunteer) wishing there were more dead refugees than healthy live ones?

I even saw players deliberately lure mobs to attack the refugee caravans, wait for them to die so they can repeatedly revive them by letting those same mobs kill them again, and again.

"Not enough dead refugees..." should not be the thought going through players' minds while participating in the story.

[Menehune]

Trei, on 04 February 2013 - 02:34 AM, said:

It's just ironic that I found myself (at 40/75 Volunteer) wishing there were more dead refugees than healthy live ones?

I even saw players deliberately lure mobs to attack the refugee caravans, wait for them to die so they can repeatedly revive them by letting those same mobs kill them again, and again.

"Not enough dead refugees..." should not be the thought going through players' minds while participating in the story.

Am I too carebearish? Do I lack creativity? Am I just so naive? The thought of luring mobs to kill refugees never crossed my mind. I got the Volunteer title over 2 days mostly by lighting fires and repairing signs in both Diessa Plateau and Wayfarer Foothills. I rezzed fallen refugees as I encountered them and assisted several injured refugees. The effort was spread over two days, but took even my slow backside less than an hour total.

Maybe it would have been better not to have fallen refugees, but more injured needing assistance and have the player collect supplies to hand over to the NPCs. Be that as it may, such actions are yet another symptom of the gotta have it now syndrome.

[Zedabi]

Question: Are these events to block fissures and stuff to do with the story? Can't say I've seen them around before.