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[Vihar]

CalmLittleBuddy, on 06 February 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

BTW, had fun during the limited time I had to run with you cats the other day. I love vacations. Straight from the swimming pool and into the warm bloodbath.

  Any time.

  But my guild only rolls in EB when we feel like messing around.

   we don't know anything about the map, and a large part of the time we are just lost and looking for a fight.....so if you join us in EB, don't expect any sort of great tactics and strategy.......it's more like our version of "Escape From New York".

[Global_GW2]

CalmLittleBuddy, on 06 February 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

Where did you get it?

He took it from a post on the official forums thread. It even has the identical file name.

[MaLeVoLenT_1]

CalmLittleBuddy, on 06 February 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

Where did you get it?

You don't believe me! my feelings are hurt! but yeah I took it from the official forums.

[CalmLittleBuddy]

Vihar, on 06 February 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

  Any time.

  But my guild only rolls in EB when we feel like messing around.

   we don't know anything about the map, and a large part of the time we are just lost and looking for a fight.....so if you join us in EB, don't expect any sort of great tactics and strategy.......it's more like our version of "Escape From New York".

No, I'll join you on your map. If I can get in... lol You guys are popular and wherever you go, the Q follows.

Global_GW2, on 06 February 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

He took it from a post on the official forums thread. It even has the identical file name.

Yeah, just went and saw that. It wasn't there last time I checked, but I did see it.

MaLeVoLenT_1, on 06 February 2013 - 06:43 PM, said:

You don't believe me! my feelings are hurt! but yeah I took it from the official forums.

Silly. I was just asking! lol, be calm little buddy!

Edited by CalmLittleBuddy, 06 February 2013 - 06:44 PM.

[Cainas]

Vihar, on 06 February 2013 - 03:15 PM, said:

I wouldn't pay any attention to any account made within the last week or two that claims "I have been here the whole time".

  Why waste your time responding to such obvious false accounts?

  Also...SoR is an absolute blast to fight against. Some of the most epic PVP ever this week.

Hahaha, because someone doesn't post on guru they can't have played on a server since launch??

Btw can you get your guild to log please.  We are trying to bring in some guildies to be more effective in wvw and you're slowing us down.

[Wotah]

DeagarFA, on 06 February 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

I wonder if the GW2 playerbase will ever mature to the point where the current losers won't consistently blame an opposing server's victory on mere coverage, and assign their own victory to tactics/strategy/organization or in this case 'workshops' which are a petty joke, by the way and do little but boost tsym's ego.

I don't often agree with him, but that is said way better than I ever could.

[coronbale]

Profitsports? Is that you? Take off that mask you little rascal! *noogie*

[Cainas]

DeagarFA, on 06 February 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

Pretty much. I think tsym is just now learning the hard lessons about WvW most of us learned months ago, which is typical given the primitive training sessions they host.

Wow, a post not mentioning HoD or how their elite server would crush modern day wvw.  Do you need to sit down? Water perhaps? FOR GODS SAKE SOMEONE GET THIS MAN A TIC TAC PEOPLE!!!

[Global_GW2]

Tactics and organization has always been the focus of TSym, going back to their days on Dragonbrand. When my server faced DB, it was the first time we saw portal bombs used like they were using them. Regardless of whether tactics actually matter in the long run in WvW or not, Coron prefers to focus on that element of the game and boast its benefits, and I say all the power to him if that's what he and his guild enjoys. Blabber on the forums about it is just noise and shouldn't be taken too seriously. We all play this part of the game to have fun and win. To me, the right or wrong on what it takes to win doesn't matter much. Just go out there an win. If you don't, there's always next week.

[coronbale]

Cainas, on 06 February 2013 - 06:53 PM, said:

Wow, a post not mentioning HoD or how their elite server would crush modern day wvw.  Do you need to sit down? Water perhaps? FOR GODS SAKE SOMEONE GET THIS MAN A TIC TAC PEOPLE!!!

You know this kid? I read his posts 5 times and still have no idea what he is talking about.

Edited by coronbale, 06 February 2013 - 06:56 PM.

[Wotah]

coronbale, on 06 February 2013 - 06:16 PM, said:

No no, your right. Your just a lowly server from second ranked NA humble beginnings, that recruited one or two buddies (all of the talent of the third ranked server), and unite the lost tribes to cover your time gaps.  Sorry to have to break it to you natives over there, but your no longer the plucky Spartans, holding off endless hordes until Gandolf rides in from the east, your Mordor, your the Persians, your the Zerg. Just own it!

Let's put it in a other way, seeing as I already hear the trolls crying as this gets typed. When we have a queue, and you have a queue, we juggle within around 100 ppt of each other (SoR included). Now, your telling me that magically for around 6 hours each day, you guys gain about 5000 points because you guys are just that much more skilled than everyone else? Like you guys woke up one day and said "man, these few hours each day we are undermanned, what if instead we skilled each map to have queues for those hours!" then the genius banners fell from the sky, cake came out, and X-wings flew in front of fireworks. Sorry guys, you gave up the underdog card the minute you became the only NA server to have 100% round the clock coverage. What I'm having a hard time with, is why you guys are fighting it?

Honestly, your the server to beat now, your the new number 1. No server comes close to your coverage, but you feel the need to harp on about how much more skilled you are than everyone else!  No one says your just numbers, but you don't skill those 5000 points every morning, you coverage them. If the only times that counted were your prime time NA and ours, we would be VERY close, but it doesn't.

Your the big dogs now, why not own it? Have you spent so long as a second place server that you can't fathom the possibility that your number one by a long shot, even when you are? All the other servers are now looking at JQ to take down, not us, get used to it.

Have you come to the conclusion that perhaps you whine to much and play too little.  

No where have I seen anyone say that we are more skilled than anyone else (besides maybe a couple of trolls).  In many of my responses it is telling you it is not about your tactics/strategy it is about having people playing.  

Maybe SoS just has fair weather players.  Right now you need to be the straw the holds it together for everyone else not complain on here.  Rebuild and push hard, quit the crap of not fighting because you're not winning and calling it "training sessions".  We train on the battle field.

Edited by Wotah, 06 February 2013 - 06:57 PM.

[coronbale]

Wotah, on 06 February 2013 - 06:56 PM, said:

Have you come to the conclusion that perhaps you whine to much and play too little.  

No where have I seen anyone say that we are more skilled than anyone else (besides maybe a couple of trolls).  In many of my responses it is telling you it is not about your tactics/strategy it is about having people playing.  

Maybe SoS just has fair weather players.  Right now you need to be the straw the holds it together for everyone else not complain on here.  Rebuild and push hard, quit the crap of not fighting because you're not winning and calling it "training sessions".  We train on the battle field.

Notice I only post for a few short hours Monday and wednesday morning. Any Sherlock Holmes fans want to decypher the divinci code on why that is?

Those who can play, play. Those who can't, post!

Btw, if I WvW any more, I'm going to need a matrix spike in my head!

Here is the facts. We aren't getting any more people, neither are you. We have two choices, either give up trying to get to number 1 again, or take the players we have now and make them the absolute best they can possibly be, and during our peak times run as many hours at 500ppt facing your best teams as you get during our coverage gap.

Not sure why this idea is getting flamed?

Edited by coronbale, 06 February 2013 - 07:03 PM.

[Wotah]

coronbale, on 06 February 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

Notice I only post for a few short hours Monday and wednesday morning. Any Sherlock Holmes fans want to decypher the divinci code on why that is?

Those who can play, play. Those who can't, post!

Damn straight, I do this thing called work.  I go there between the hours of 8am - 5pm est.  I do Database work and am able to enjoy these great threads on the side.  

Currently I am trying to decipher what you even wrote.

[Jedbacca]

Vihar, on 06 February 2013 - 06:17 PM, said:

  Because he is a spy, obviously.

   We are 4 months or more into these WvW matchups.

   For 4 months, the winning servers have claimed it is their skillz.

  For 4 months, the server with the most coverage and the most active participation wins the match.

  For 4 months, every T1 thread has been cluttered up with the same arguments.

   Skills win battles.

   Coverage wins matchups.

  Can we graduate to "World vs World 102" now?

I have skills 1-10 programmed to my Naga mouse!  Oh and Alt 1-4 for those skills as well!

[Wotah]

coronbale, on 06 February 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

Btw, if I WvW any more, I'm going to need a matrix spike in my head!

Here is the facts. We aren't getting any more people, neither are you. We have two choices, either give up trying to get to number 1 again, or take the players we have now and make them the absolute best they can possibly be, and during our peak times run as many hours at 500ppt facing your best teams as you get during our coverage gap.

Not sure why this idea is getting flamed?

I'm not flaming the idea at all.  I like the idea get them out there and going in actual play, trial by fire of sorts.  If you do that then great there shouldn't be a problem.  However, if you just stop playing because you can't handle the situation and call that "training" it leads me to believe that you're one of those fair weather players on your server.

[Tsong Mang]

DeagarFA, on 06 February 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

I wonder if the GW2 playerbase will ever mature to the point where the current losers won't consistently blame an opposing server's victory on mere coverage, and assign their own victory to tactics/strategy/organization or in this case 'workshops' which are a petty joke, by the way and do little but boost tsym's ego.

Hahaha this is so true.

Many time TSym will not WvW refuse to push their people use 'training' as an excuse. People like Jedahs burn themself out putting in 20 hour shift while Coronbale is too busy preaning himself. It is sad because there are lot of good guild and people on SoS but the people with the biggest mouth have highest profile.

Years from now one of  main memories of GW2 will be funny people at forum who talk too much. It is shameful.

[coronbale]

Wotah, on 06 February 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

I'm not flaming the idea at all.  I like the idea get them out there and going in actual play, trial by fire of sorts.  If you do that then great there shouldn't be a problem.  However, if you just stop playing because you can't handle the situation and call that "training" it leads me to believe that you're one of those fair weather players on your server.

Are you talking about something specific, or just throwing situations out there?

Also, not to sound too high and mighty, but you can give me advice on how to run my team right around the time that you do something relevant enough on the field that we know who you are. Never once have I heard "damnit, those SICK guys are at it again, let's fall back". No offense to your team, but I'm not sure where your mastery of team leadership and training is coming from...

We have a way of doing business, it works for us.

[Familiar]

Wotah, on 06 February 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

Damn straight, I do this thing called work.  I go there between the hours of 8am - 5pm est.  I do Database work and am able to enjoy these great threads on the side.  

Currently I am trying to decipher what you even wrote.

I too am chained to a desk regularly. Either due to school or fulfilling my exotic telephone counselor duties. Forums keep the boredom away.

[coronbale]

Yea, class here.  No offense to my marketing instructor, but she can't compare to flaming treb shots and tactical flanks!

[Kreen]

MaLeVoLenT_1, on 06 February 2013 - 05:27 PM, said:

Look at the map please.  You guys gain 10K+ every euro time zone because you have no opposition.

what happened to VoTF? Did they quit? They seemed to be doing pretty well yesterday and the last few days during Euro time. Very tough guild to fight.

[Familiar]

coronbale, on 06 February 2013 - 07:31 PM, said:

Yea, class here.  No offense to my marketing instructor, but she can't compare to flaming treb shots and tactical flanks!

It's not good marketing if they can't get your attention.

[chuckles79]

SoS guild as a whole are focusing on training our last minute transfers and building a cohesive team.  SoR has surprised us all, but SoS remains the only server that can consistently challenge JQ in it's current state; and we're planning for a long campaign.
In order for WvW to remain competitive in the top tiers, SoS (and SoR and BG for that matter) will have to bring their A games since we can no longer win via numbers.  That means making sure our guilds are focused, and work well with each other.

This all sounds like basics to long time WvW'rs; but how many times have we all seen things fall apart when a group forgets those basics?

Coron over-thinks things some times, but he is spot-on when it comes to the right recipe to be the #1 server when you can't just swamp someone with bodies.

[PvPD00R]

MaLeVoLenT_1, on 06 February 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

You guys just all choose to rip on Coron as if tactics/strategy/organization has more to do with why JQ is winning then Coverage is really funny to me. You all who thinks otherwise needs to log on right now then come talk.

Was the long winning streak SoS had due to Coverage or Skill?

[Mithrull]

Wotah, on 06 February 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

I'm not flaming the idea at all.  I like the idea get them out there and going in actual play, trial by fire of sorts.  If you do that then great there shouldn't be a problem.  However, if you just stop playing because you can't handle the situation and call that "training" it leads me to believe that you're one of those fair weather players on your server.

Since that isn't really what happens at all, I can be relieved of any fear that you might think TSym fair-weather players. Thank God I don't have to live with the burden of your low opinion. Phew.

[coronbale]

PvPD00R, on 06 February 2013 - 07:40 PM, said:

Was the long winning streak SoS had due to Coverage or Skill?

Both, just like yours is. If you had no skill, we would wreck your teams on peak hours down to zero ppt.  No matter how much you push our gap, we would win that fight.  The difference in the situation right now, is to beat us you recruited massively. To beat you, we have to train what we have now, cause we arent getting any more players.

[Kreen]

coronbale, on 06 February 2013 - 06:16 PM, said:

your stuff

Look Coron we get it, we are just skillless zerg minded plonkers and can only win via coverage and numbers. Our server is full of "pugs" and stacked to high heaven and when you see a JQ force composed of 15 different guild tags it must be a bunch of noobs or whatever term your server wants to use to describe those players as you see them.

However, when MagiKarp and his pure MERC crew were delivering 450+ ppt ticks every morning and posting a screenie for us all when I woke up a few weeks ago that was down to superior skills obviously and nothing to do with coverage and numbers at all.

Look, we raised our game, worked on our tactics and strategy, camps, yaks, asset defence and offence, the whole works  and tried to squeeze every last point out of our meagre forces several weeks ago and while we were closing the gap it was obvious that it was not going to be enough it we wanted to compete against SoS and actually stay sane and healthy and give you a good fight.

We never gave up half way through the week and kept fighting which is why the matchup actually appeared to be quite close compared to some much more recent ones. So we did some recruitment and surprisingly folks wanted to come help us. That was quite a humbling experience I will tell you that opponents of many battles wanted to actually fight with us.

I really hope you get your act together because right now what I see is a bunch of whining and a server that just quits as soon as things don't go your way. Grow some balls and sort it out because what I used to respect as a as a fearsomely strong opponent is now a kitten.

I hope this last comment has the desired effectand you really galvanise your server to stomp us.

[MrZero]

chuckles79, on 06 February 2013 - 07:35 PM, said:

SoS guild as a whole are focusing on training our last minute transfers and building a cohesive team.  SoR has surprised us all, but SoS remains the only server that can consistently challenge JQ in it's current state; and we're planning for a long campaign.
In order for WvW to remain competitive in the top tiers, SoS (and SoR and BG for that matter) will have to bring their A games since we can no longer win via numbers.  That means making sure our guilds are focused, and work well with each other.

This all sounds like basics to long time WvW'rs; but how many times have we all seen things fall apart when a group forgets those basics?

Coron over-thinks things some times, but he is spot-on when it comes to the right recipe to be the #1 server when you can't just swamp someone with bodies.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Did you just admit that you guys used to win fights because of numbers?








That's not my Batman glass.

[Wotah]

coronbale, on 06 February 2013 - 07:26 PM, said:

Are you talking about something specific, or just throwing situations out there?

Also, not to sound too high and mighty, but you can give me advice on how to run my team right around the time that you do something relevant enough on the field that we know who you are. Never once have I heard "damnit, those SICK guys are at it again, let's fall back". No offense to your team, but I'm not sure where your mastery of team leadership and training is coming from...

We have a way of doing business, it works for us.

This is where you don't get us, you think just that because we have multiple tags that we're just some zerg out there.  Guess what we run together for the common goal of the server no matter what our guild tags are.  Somehow you can't grasp this notion.

[coronbale]

Seeing as you misquoted me more than Fox News, I won't even respond to anything in that highly negative and inflammatory post.  If you feel like rolling it back, you can see where this whole line started. It started with us working on training and building team skill to meet the new challenge you have presented.

I don't expect you to do anything other than flame the crap out of a purely non-flamatory post. You do have a rep to live up to after all.

You guys are the big bad wolf, we are going to try and take you down, not bawl in the mud about how unfair everything is. Coverage is real, skill is real, they are facts and not up to your interpretation.  You can believe in both, not just one or the other!

We chose to fight, train, and advance. If that gives you the Uncontrollable need to lash out and flame, that is your choice.

Man , what are you trolls gonna do in 15 min when I get to head home and put my money where my mouth is?

Edited by coronbale, 06 February 2013 - 07:59 PM.

[Kreen]

coronbale, on 06 February 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

Notice I only post for a few short hours Monday and wednesday morning. Any Sherlock Holmes fans want to decypher the divinci code on why that is?

Those who can play, play. Those who can't, post!

Btw, if I WvW any more, I'm going to need a matrix spike in my head!

Here is the facts. We aren't getting any more people, neither are you. We have two choices, either give up trying to get to number 1 again, or take the players we have now and make them the absolute best they can possibly be, and during our peak times run as many hours at 500ppt facing your best teams as you get during our coverage gap.

Not sure why this idea is getting flamed?

I agree with this but I would add a 3rd option because I am not sure how much SoS have explored this. Maybe you have, I dont know but would welcome your input. When you say take the players we have and make them the best I think you are referring to your core WvW guilds. You have a large possibly untapped population of folks on your server who maybe don't do much WvW currently unless you are winning but a large margin. Believe me, all servers experience that and we have struggled with it as well. Getting some of those folks out there and involved can help alot. Insisting they have to join the core of WvW guilds you have can actually be counter productive to that goal.

Some steps that could help alot are:
1. a communtiy voip server - JQ's works but its not perfect by any means but it does provide access for the smaller guilds to interact and get to know the other guilds and folks
2. focus on your community more and not on your main WvW guilds. Maybe you already do this, I don't know but from readin the forums I don't really get that impression. I see so many comments from folks on your server that suggest an elitist attitude focussed around the main WvW guilds. Bury that attitude if you can and be more inclusive.

Anyway, just some ramblings, I might be way off base here and if so I apologise but if you are interested in talking further send me a PM as I am interested in helping if I can.