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#481 MrZero

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 07:18 PM

View PostBallads, on 10 February 2013 - 07:16 PM, said:

You type that every time or just C/P it?

Hey, I can't help our leader is a drunk.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 07:24 PM

View PostZhrek, on 10 February 2013 - 12:38 PM, said:

Was trying to give you a compliment, but since that is too much for you to grasp.  You got good, after you wiped your mouth from RG's control and they taught you how to play;)  Pretty obvious to the players you play against, now back on your knees.
um lol?

Swung by here for a quick laugh, thanks again GuRu!

See you on the field JQ, and great job again this week!

Edited by coronbale, 10 February 2013 - 07:26 PM.


#483 EvilSinzGW2

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 07:27 PM

View PostMrZero, on 10 February 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

Guildless douchebag coattail riding trolls making shit up is what it is. I don't see the TSym, VOTF and Agg players saying an damn thing. Just the asshats that want to try and make a rep for themselves on forums because they don't have one in game on their server.

Do you serious think I'm trying to make a 'rep for myself' on a gaming forum?!?!  Do you really feel I'm trying to make a 'rep' for myself in a video game?!!  I'll leave that for the internet fame club people like you.

Very clear; I have a couple people in my office that play on jade quarry (and a few servers).  If I ask a certain question, and get an answer that differs from you forum warriors, well,  .......not sure what to tell you. Odd, they don't seem to get all defensive when I joke about certain topics.  Interesting.  

I shall refrain from the classic name calling.  I'll leave that path for the cool internet kids trying to pave their way along the virtual highway.  Good luck with that one.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 07:32 PM

View PostVihar, on 10 February 2013 - 03:02 PM, said:

If I felt like it, we could go back and find all the SoS posts about how they only do enough WvW to keep the lead when it gets close.....but I can't be bothered, and it doesn't matter.

  They used to brag about it.

You should also know  that in Aus we can push real hard at the end before reset as its  Saturday morning  down here which  is a real advantage to us Oceanic Guilds, and you are right we did take the foot off  somedays during the week with only the hardcore wvw guys playing  and  allowing  us pve'rs to go have some world fun time.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 08:18 PM

View Postbaels, on 10 February 2013 - 09:04 AM, said:

MERC/ND/AFS has stopped putting in overtime hence why you're seeing PPT blow outs by maybe midnight GMT+8/2am GMT+6, if not a bit earlier.
And this is why you guys no longer belong in T1, you lose the fighting spirit now that your server isn't a sure win every week.  Hopefully SoR steps it up and stops playing friendly with SoS and realizes so long as they do, they will place 3rd and will eventually be pushed out of T1 because SoS is able to push slight leads on SoR.  So my question is, how bad does SoR want to stay in T1? I personally like fighting SoR in T1 and hope they get their heads out of their asses and fight to stay in T1.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 08:29 PM

View PostRawNG, on 10 February 2013 - 08:18 PM, said:

And this is why you guys no longer belong in T1, you lose the fighting spirit now that your server isn't a sure win every week.  Hopefully SoR steps it up and stops playing friendly with SoS and realizes so long as they do, they will place 3rd and will eventually be pushed out of T1 because SoS is able to push slight leads on SoR.  So my question is, how bad does SoR want to stay in T1? I personally like fighting SoR in T1 and hope they get their heads out of their asses and fight to stay in T1.

Don't think anyone is going anywhere for a looooong time, unless something drastic happens.  T2 seems pretty close, as well, so we're all stuck with each other for a while.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 08:31 PM

View PostEvilSinzGW2, on 10 February 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:


I shall refrain from the classic name calling.  I'll leave that path for the cool internet kids trying to pave their way along the virtual highway.  Good luck with that one.

Says he'll refrain from name calling...
Calls people names.

Your co-workers chose not to play with you too? Uhhh lol!

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 08:47 PM

View PostCirus, on 10 February 2013 - 06:06 PM, said:


Some SoS people even gave up on the final day because they thought we were going to lose, making the task of holding on even harder. Luckily there were still people around that have seen it all before and never gave up and fought until the final hour.

If anything this highlights the soft underbelly of Sea of Sorrows

thank you for your perspective, that match up was certainly an interesting one, nice to get another perspective.

these words though jumped out, your words, not mine.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 08:54 PM

View PostEvilSinzGW2, on 10 February 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

Do you serious think I'm trying to make a 'rep for myself' on a gaming forum?!?!  Do you really feel I'm trying to make a 'rep' for myself in a video game?!!  I'll leave that for the internet fame club people like you.

Very clear; I have a couple people in my office that play on jade quarry (and a few servers).  If I ask a certain question, and get an answer that differs from you forum warriors, well,  .......not sure what to tell you. Odd, they don't seem to get all defensive when I joke about certain topics.  Interesting.  

I shall refrain from the classic name calling.  I'll leave that path for the cool internet kids trying to pave their way along the virtual highway.  Good luck with that one.

I get a kick out of these people who complain about trolls, aka people who don't agree with them and how their opinion doesn't count yet they daily/hourly/ by the minute return to the forum.  

Mayhaps they should create their own private forum where they can stroke each others epeens and convince each other  how great they think they are since nobody else does.

BTW know anyone who had a rep in EQ ?  What about Shadowbane... what about Ultima Online... or DAOC ?  Thats right nobody cares & their rep in a video game doesn't mean jack sh-- and neither will yours.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 08:56 PM

View PostEvilSinzGW2, on 10 February 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

Do you serious think I'm trying to make a 'rep for myself' on a gaming forum?!?!  Do you really feel I'm trying to make a 'rep' for myself in a video game?!!  I'll leave that for the internet fame club people like you.

Very clear; I have a couple people in my office that play on jade quarry (and a few servers).  If I ask a certain question, and get an answer that differs from you forum warriors, well,  .......not sure what to tell you. Odd, they don't seem to get all defensive when I joke about certain topics.  Interesting.  

I shall refrain from the classic name calling.  I'll leave that path for the cool internet kids trying to pave their way along the virtual highway.  Good luck with that one.

I wasn't even talking about you man. Your posts usually come across as banter to me.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 08:57 PM

View PostMrZero, on 10 February 2013 - 08:56 PM, said:

I wasn't even talking about you man. Your posts usually come across as banter to me.

No worries.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:07 PM

Been having a GREAT time this week, been some awesome fights so far and i know there is still plenty more to come!

Keep bringing the heat JQ and SoR, im loving it!


/Salute

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:25 PM

View PostCalmLittleBuddy, on 10 February 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

Says he'll refrain from name calling...
Calls people names.

Your co-workers chose not to play with you too? Uhhh lol!

If that makes a more dramatic story for you .......sure.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 10:46 PM

If it wasn't successful or makes the group look bad, he must have been drunk.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 10:47 PM

View PostMrZero, on 10 February 2013 - 08:56 PM, said:

I wasn't even talking about you man. Your posts usually come across as banter to me.

View PostImpmon, on 10 February 2013 - 08:57 PM, said:

No worries.

Whoa wait.. did Impmon just reply for EvilSinzGW2?

This is too deep for me...

View PostEvilSinzGW2, on 10 February 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

If that makes a more dramatic story for you .......sure.

You have to admit, it really does make a better story, my friend.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 10:54 PM

View PostCalmLittleBuddy, on 10 February 2013 - 10:47 PM, said:


You have to admit, it really does make a better story, my friend.

Yes it truly does.  The true story is rather boring anyway

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 10:58 PM

View PostZhrek, on 10 February 2013 - 10:58 AM, said:

I must admit, when Tsym and Agg ran together on Sor BL it felt like Beastmode, but had to keep map switching, was fun while it lasted.  For short times at a time.  Ninja on Hills, was epic.  Your welcome Sor :D

Great fights with Choo and prx, good times!  (sor BL)

Awesome fights with SF on SOS BL also, you guys went from easy badges to tough as nails, WTF!  Good fights none the less!  Trebbing from the quaggans?!?!?!  swimming swimming swimming.......nm, fun night!

SF was always a great world class guild, however recently they got this amazing player named Nost. Everything just seemed to come together and click instantly. The synergy in SF is now just amazing. SF players hit harder, last longer and even their breath smells fresher. Nost is just amazingly skilled and even in fights with hundreds of players, he can just turn the tide of battle.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:59 AM

Question for you JQ, SoR, even BG and SBI players still reading this thread. Who are the most effective / annoying small team guilds you see regularly on SoS, if there even any left? I've sorta been looking more for this style of play, but of course, it's hard to assess guilds that are mostly under the radar and few guild leaders are honest about their numbers, strengths, weakness, etc. Honest and candid responses would be greatly appreciated.

On that note, with JQ doing a complete 180 on the camp control / yaks, and even SoR doing a pretty good job at it at times, I've pretty much concluded that if SoS doesn't get better in that department we won't even be competitive in T2. Everyone has become so obsessed with building a better zerg guild it seems, and we are not taking care of the basics.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 01:10 AM

View PostRawNG, on 10 February 2013 - 08:18 PM, said:

And this is why you guys no longer belong in T1, you lose the fighting spirit now that your server isn't a sure win every week.  Hopefully SoR steps it up and stops playing friendly with SoS and realizes so long as they do, they will place 3rd and will eventually be pushed out of T1 because SoS is able to push slight leads on SoR.  So my question is, how bad does SoR want to stay in T1? I personally like fighting SoR in T1 and hope they get their heads out of their asses and fight to stay in T1.

I don't know why I continue to read this thread.

I really don't care if SoS drops from tier one, but to think it's healthy or normal for there to even be a concept of overtime in a game, let alone to expect players to constantly do it to remain competitive in a PvP arena is insane. Losing your fighting spirit (in a computer game?) is not the same as deciding not to pull overtime (in a computer game). Overtime is something you do to feed your children or help save up for their college tuition, it's something you do to pay the bills or save up for a holiday, it's not something you do to be competitive and enjoy PvP.

SoS didn't lose many players during or after the end of transfers (some fair weather players moved over to JQ to enjoy the easy wins that everyone knew was coming) and a few got burnt out from the stress caused by all the drama on the forums and in game (this is a particularly unpleasant thread to read, and that's saying something given how trolltastic GW/GW2Guru are) and in real life, but for the most part the server is the same as before, just with less overtime. The WvW guilds still WvW on a daily basis (they always did, there may have been less overtime towards the end of the week, but the idea that SoS would just "stop playing" is ludicrous).

Of course there are other factors. Coming in first for several weeks burnt people out (especially those who pulled overtime. Some people got bored of WvW. Some guilds just want it more. After so many weeks in the shadow, even if it's with a population advantage, this is JQs time to be the strongest server. For SoS, it's a place they were for a long time, and they paid to be there, even if they were helped by a coverage advantage. We might see Kaineng put up more of a fight, they've never been first so they could want it bad enough to pull the overtime needed to win it.

Now if tier one is going to be reserved for people who have such great coverage that they will  fill more than one or two maps for most of the day, I don't think there are three servers out there that could do it. It appears as though JQ got enough transfers to do it, SoS never really did it and padded what they did do with overtime, BG certainly didn't do it, neither did SBI. Kaineng probably doesn't have the Euro numbers and their NA presence is pretty much entirely made up of WvW transfers, so a native population isn't going to help out much there (they also aren't facerolling in tier two yet, we haven't seen the whole week, but if it stays like this Kaineng doesn't appear to be much stronger than the other candidates for tier one). I'm not too sure what's going on with SoR, I suspect SoS is very close to them even with the transfers SoR got (it's worth noting that SoR was probably the best competition SoS faced outside of tier one and the competition we had with them before tier one was better than a lot of weeks in tier one, so even before their transfers they were competitive to SoS).

At the end of the day WvW is going to be won by population. Players who think they have a chance of winning the week (and all the glory, gold, ascended items, the big loot chest, the charr hookers, free precursors and a sparkle pony that you get for coming in first place), players who think they have a shot at that are going to fight harder, they are going to play longer to win. Players who know that no matter what they do, outside of everyone pulling overtime, they are going to come in second or third, those players are going to play WvW for as long as they enjoy it that day. They might stay on a little longer to hold a key point, fight for that keep they've spent 38 silver in repairs over (whether it's defending or attacking), but they aren't going to fight for the PPT, at least not for the end of the week tally, not for first place. If players don't have something other than fun to fight for, they won't fight once it stops being fun. In my opinion, that's the healthiest attitude you can have towards WvW and a computer game. In the post-transfer JQ you might have the luxury of an active WvW population so great you can have a considerable presence on most maps for most of the day (or at least more presence for more of the day than the other servers) without having to pull overtime, but it's not the case for other servers (and it never was). I honestly don't know what you expect to happen, do you think the other servers are going to fight with inferior numbers and inferior coverage and still come out top? I don't think any server has the WvW population to beat JQ in a straight up fight, maybe if a PvE event or holidays affected JQ numbers, maybe with a full time 2v1 or everyone pulling overtime, but straight up I think JQ has the considerable numbers advantage. If you want a server with the same WvW population as JQ, I think you'll find it doesn't exist. I suspect the most even match up at the moment would be a tier two with BG, Kaineng and SoR or SoS. This is part of the reason why I think tier two is more competitive than tier one.

Without the ability to transfer off for free, or transfer to another server for free (and create threatening competition) I don't think we are going to see any servers threaten the lead. Until JQ players burn out, get bored or transfer off, or somehow another server receives enough paid transfers to be threatening, I think this is going to be the WvW scene for a while yet. It's possible we will see some upsets, but the numbers as they currently lie don't favour that possibility. Until then, you can redefine what you consider a "fighting spirit" because I think most underdogs wouldn't consider losing the same as having no "fighting spirit". When you stop seeing WvW about the PPT and start seeing it about playing during the time you are on, for the points you can take when you are on, defeating the opponents when you are on, you can clearly see that no matter what place you come in the PPT, you fought hard for it. Be proud of your first place win, enjoy it for all the effort it took to win and all the aforementioned rewards you get for it, but don't disparage the efforts of others because they didn't compete with your numbers.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 01:14 AM

Great post. .....

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 02:08 AM

The tl;dr version is the last week we won took a Herculean effort that no one could repeat, and we are now in a reset / reorganize / rethink mode. Some of our more capable commanders have quit or are taking an extended break, and that hurts a lot when the ppt is low and the militia is bored / demoralized.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 02:36 AM

View PostKrill, on 11 February 2013 - 02:08 AM, said:

The tl;dr version is the last week we won took a Herculean effort that no one could repeat, and we are now in a reset / reorganize / rethink mode. Some of our more capable commanders have quit or are taking an extended break, and that hurts a lot when the ppt is low and the militia is bored / demoralized.

Who quit? Want me to hurt them bad and make them come back?

I'll never get that. You can't quit just because you're going to place second or third. Heck, JQ placed second or thrid with no chance of winning for 8 weeks in a row, and the only 'commander' that quit was Walker.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 02:42 AM

View PostCalmLittleBuddy, on 11 February 2013 - 02:36 AM, said:

Who quit? Want me to hurt them bad and make them come back?

I'll never get that. You can't quit just because you're going to place second or third. Heck, JQ placed second or thrid with no chance of winning for 8 weeks in a row, and the only 'commander' that quit was Walker.
He actually transferred to save SoS as he put it.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 02:42 AM

They didn't quit, go on break, or otherwise go AWOL because we are no longer winning. I don't think it's appropriate to name names and call people out in public forums, but in the case of two I know of for sure that were regulars and very good, one was RL business and the other was just plain burnt out. It's not easy to replace people who had great reputations and many months of experience, and the people who do replace them can't just slide right in to their shoes with the same results.

Only time will tell if anyone can really compete with JQ. Right now everyone is on the moon feeling so good about winning, but it will wear on your high profile commanders too when week after week it feels like all the weight falls on their shoulders to win. Only then will all the people who bitched and complained realize how good they had it.

Edited by Krill, 11 February 2013 - 02:46 AM.


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Posted 11 February 2013 - 02:48 AM

View PostKrill, on 11 February 2013 - 02:42 AM, said:

They didn't quit, go on break, or otherwise go AWOL because we are no longer winning. I don't think it's appropriate to name names and call people out in public forums, but in the case of two I know of for sure that were regulars and very good, one was RL business and the other was just plain burnt out. It's not easy to replace people who had great reputations and many months of experience, and the people who do replace them can't just slide right in to their shoes with the same results.

Only time will tell if anyone can really compete with JQ. Right now everyone is on the moon feeling so good about winning, but it will wear on your high profile commanders too when week after week it feels like all the weight falls on their shoulders to win. Only then will all the people who bitched and complained realize how good they had it.

We've won tier 1 before. We are used to the weight lol.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 02:58 AM

There's different dynamics now though with you guys being the clear #1 by a wide margin. You will win T1 for who knows how many weeks in a row comfortably. If / when a real competitor emerges though, there is a different mindset after a long stretch of big wins with the pugs and PvX type guilds that fill the queues when things are going well. Of course, the cost of leaving is prohibitive now, but people can always quit playing.

Edited by Krill, 11 February 2013 - 02:59 AM.


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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:15 AM

View PostRawNG, on 10 February 2013 - 08:18 PM, said:

And this is why you guys no longer belong in T1, you lose the fighting spirit now that your server isn't a sure win every week.  Hopefully SoR steps it up and stops playing friendly with SoS and realizes so long as they do, they will place 3rd and will eventually be pushed out of T1 because SoS is able to push slight leads on SoR.  So my question is, how bad does SoR want to stay in T1? I personally like fighting SoR in T1 and hope they get their heads out of their asses and fight to stay in T1.

This is a bit rich coming from somebody riding on PRX's coattails.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:18 AM

View PostRawNG, on 10 February 2013 - 08:18 PM, said:

And this is why you guys no longer belong in T1, you lose the fighting spirit now that your server isn't a sure win every week.  Hopefully SoR steps it up and stops playing friendly with SoS and realizes so long as they do, they will place 3rd and will eventually be pushed out of T1 because SoS is able to push slight leads on SoR.  So my question is, how bad does SoR want to stay in T1? I personally like fighting SoR in T1 and hope they get their heads out of their asses and fight to stay in T1.
We don't really "want" to be in T1.
We want good fights, and to fight whichever server presents the fiercest opposition. If the best match to TW were in last place we would gladly go there. Not waking up to everything taken would be nice, but it isn't essential. You may have the invisible trophy and the queues, been there done that.

Speaking of everything being taken when we wake up.... I'm going to bed JQ, you may have your garrison back. Again ;p

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:43 AM

View PostKrill, on 11 February 2013 - 02:42 AM, said:

They didn't quit, go on break, or otherwise go AWOL because we are no longer winning. I don't think it's appropriate to name names and call people out in public forums, but in the case of two I know of for sure that were regulars and very good, one was RL business and the other was just plain burnt out. It's not easy to replace people who had great reputations and many months of experience, and the people who do replace them can't just slide right in to their shoes with the same results.

Only time will tell if anyone can really compete with JQ. Right now everyone is on the moon feeling so good about winning, but it will wear on your high profile commanders too when week after week it feels like all the weight falls on their shoulders to win. Only then will all the people who bitched and complained realize how good they had it.

It's a bummer that's happening to you guys. All smack aside, you guys are fun. As someone from servers that you have both stomped and been stomped by, I sincerely mean that. I understand the burnout you are talking about and hope you guys pull through.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:06 AM

View PostShiren, on 11 February 2013 - 01:10 AM, said:

At the end of the day WvW is going to be won by population. Players who think they have a chance of winning the week (and all the glory, gold, ascended items, the big loot chest, the charr hookers, free precursors and a sparkle pony that you get for coming in first place), players who think they have a shot at that are going to fight harder, they are going to play longer to win. Players who know that no matter what they do, outside of everyone pulling overtime, they are going to come in second or third, those players are going to play WvW for as long as they enjoy it that day. I suspect the most even match up at the moment would be a tier two with BG, Kaineng and SoR or SoS. This is part of the reason why I think tier two is more competitive than tier one.

View PostShiren, on 11 February 2013 - 01:10 AM, said:

Until then, you can redefine what you consider a "fighting spirit" because I think most underdogs wouldn't consider losing the same as having no "fighting spirit". When you stop seeing WvW about the PPT and start seeing it about playing during the time you are on, for the points you can take when you are on, defeating the opponents when you are on, you can clearly see that no matter what place you come in the PPT, you fought hard for it. Be proud of your first place win, enjoy it for all the effort it took to win and all the aforementioned rewards you get for it, but don't disparage the efforts of others because they didn't compete with your numbers.


Hands down best post made yet.


I always have the most fun weekends because this is the only time everyone has full maps and thus the only time WvW is not a numbers game. Then the weekdays come and you see servers with numerical advantages slowly, (sometimes quickly) but surely pull ahead.

If Anet is smart they will wait until the dust of their paid transfers settles and then begin offering targeted free transfers from high pop servers to low pop servers. Everyone always complained that free transfers had to stop, but few stating the real reason why; if servers had even pops WvW would be so much better.

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