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#571 MikeSr

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 03:59 PM

View PostKam8T88, on 12 February 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

Your name is quickly becoming ironic. I can't speak for everyone on our server but I noticed a marked lack of participation this weekend compared to last. And it makes sense. Last weekend we beat you - handedly. You were last place. But your numbers allowed you to catch up during the week. Your numbers killed any chance of competitive match ups. I'm not sure anyone seriously thinks they can beat JQ in it's current stacked state. They only people left are the play for fun crowd.

No matter what rubbish you continue to babble out you cannot change the facts.

Sea of Sorrows was an obnoxiously stacked server for 9 weeks. No server came close to it in terms of WvWVW population. Where were you then? Were you crying about how stacked Sea of Sorrows was back then?

JQ endured for 9 weeks - YES 9 weeks and got stronger?
Sea of Sorrows feel apart in 2 weeks - ONLY 2 weeks. This tells you a lot about the character of the server.

Fist of the Empire will be a welcome addition to any server they go to. Cannot say the same thing about Aggression.

Edited by MikeSr, 12 February 2013 - 04:35 PM.


#572 CalmLittleBuddy

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:00 PM

View PostKam8T88, on 12 February 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

Your name is quickly becoming ironic. I can't speak for everyone on our server but I noticed a marked lack of participation this weekend compared to last. And it makes sense. Last weekend we beat you - handedly. You were last place. But your numbers allowed you to catch up during the week. Your numbers killed any chance of competitive match ups. I'm not sure anyone seriously thinks they can beat JQ in it's current stacked state. They only people left are the play for fun crowd.

You second comment is very telling. You can completely give up a map and still win with "all your folks" (I take it you mean guilds?) not even playing? Oh but you guys win with skill! Not numbers!

And what vids are you referring to? Are they Guild v Guild or Guild v Pugs? We can easily beat groups twice or more our number if we're organized and they're not.

You guys so desperately want to prove you're better than everyone else. But the same reason you suddenly became #1 is the same reason your ability is now impossible to prove. You've stacked yourselves to the point where you can approach WvW in the most casual manner in t1 and still come out on top.

You respect Blackgate? Blackgate earns their victories.

Numbers win. I've always said it. You chose your arguments here and there, fine. Whatever.

My name is obviously tongue in cheek.

So, if we win with less numbers, then it proves we have more numbers, meaning we win with numbers... this is just silly, dude. No one said we were better. We said equal. Some others said we have no skill.

It's just not true. We have as much skill as you do. I, as a player, have as much skill as you do. You have as much skill as I do. We have more players. We win. Never did I say that made us better.

What I said was that in open field battle, certain servers have been known and are known as better. Some servers are better at defense and seige placement. Some are better at stealth tactics.

I don't understand why praising my own server causes such a violent reaction from some posters here. I am NOT saying anyone else sucks. YOU are saying that. I am defending saying we DO NOT suck. Check the history.

I respect BG because JQ and BG came from the same place and fought through adversity the same way. Just before free transfers shut down, we got a lot of new players, BG did not. It could have just as easily gone the other way. BG might be in 1st place, and JQ might have dropped to T2.

Do you remember those weeks we almost did? Do you know what we had to do to stay in T1? Do you know what a very smart SoS poster told us to do? He told us to get our shit together and hit the recruitment trail. We didn't like hearing that. But we did it.

SoS gave JQ the winning formula. SoS set us straight. "If you want to stay in T1, JQ, you'd better start recruiting some new blood." We are using your blueprint. The winning blueprint.

But the truth is, we didn't do it to win T1. We did it to beat SoS. You guys had our number for weeks. You guys destroyed SBI, ruined them. AGG torpedoed that server by focusing on a guild leaded he knew he could break. It worked.

Unfortunately, it left some SBI guilds with a huge chip on their shoulders. We gave them their only chance to get back at you.

SoS is a great server. You guys survived PRX leaving when no one said you would. You guys advanced theory craft and server organization beyond where T1 had been previously. Above all, you taught everyone how to play the propaganda game. These are all things to be very very proud of. NO ONE is saying you guys suck. Okay?

But now with the departure of FoE and AGG, you'll have some tough sledding ahead and might want to rethink your hostile attitude towards your neighbors... It's hard to recruit with the end of free transfers, but hey is AGG and FoE can move, other guilds can too.

Also, you might want to actually listen to advice from other servers instead of getting all offended. JQ did not like the bitter pill SoS made us swallow, but we listened.

SoS, so far, has been the most successful T1 server in the history of the game. Unfortunately, maybe too successful. SoS made the new JQ possible. The only way bitter rivals like SBI and JQ would ever join up was a common enemy as dominant as SoS.

TLDR version:

SoS is a great server.

Praising your own server is NOT bashing other servers.

Numbers win on the scoreboard. OBVIOUS.

JQ has as much skill on the battle field as any other server. Trying to argue that having numbers and having skill are mutually exclusive is a fallacy. We have both.


And lastly, I am friendly with many guild leaders from all servers, including yours. Don't take any of this stuff to seriously. We don't.

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#573 EvilSinzGW2

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:04 PM

View PostMaLeVoLenT_1, on 12 February 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

WTF are you talking about? I'm not sure who you are or what guild you're coming from in SOS but why do you always have the need to start drama on the public forums about your own server? Do you think that type of post is helping or informing anyone? I don't even get why you would say that.

Hmm, I'm going to guess an Agg member.  Probably one of the shleps that was caught messaging WM.  FoE has like 5 active members and the only claim to fame was boasting about spying on other servers.  Gee, they'll be missed.  Agg is just a loud mouth guild.  VotF seems pretty good folks. Tsym seems to be trying to rally the pugs.  Merc is solid and an SoS staple.

Aaah guild drama.  Neato.

So, no idea what that tool is talking about.  Sounds like an angry kid

#574 MikeSr

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:05 PM

View PostVihar, on 12 February 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:

I didn't know about [FoE] until just now, so likewise to you.

Fist of the Empire along with Thai Alliance, Fury of Order, Ruinious, T.E.A.M (an offshoot of ex-FOO members), Resonance and Lords of the dead were the main force behind Northern Shiverpeaks and Eredon Terrace.

And unlike some forum warrior guilds from ET and NSP, FoE always fought all week (mostly on green borderlands)

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:17 PM

Can we all get back to topic and play the game for fun?

Here is a song to make you forget your worries



#576 chuckles79

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:22 PM

Now BG can experience watching AGG do their spawn huddles while the tower falls.  
I like every AGG guy I've ever met...individually, but I don't know what their leadership is thinking with this move.  The best case scenario for them is that BG becomes the new #2 server.  
I guess FoE went to join comrades and while that sucks for us, I wish them the best...just not in WvW.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:36 PM

View PostMikeSr, on 12 February 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

Fist of the Empire along with Thai Alliance, Fury of Order, Ruinious, T.E.A.M (an offshoot of ex-FOO members), Resonance and Lords of the dead were the main force behind Northern Shiverpeaks and Eredon Terrace.

And unlike some forum warrior guilds from ET and NSP, FoE always fought all week (mostly on green borderlands)


  I meant that I didn't know they were moving.

  I am very familiar with them, having fought them many times.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:47 PM

So two bandwagon guilds leave and people think the server is falling apart? This thread is more dramatic than my soaps.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 05:01 PM

View PostShiren, on 12 February 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

So two bandwagon guilds leave and people think the server is falling apart? This thread is more dramatic than my soaps.
*cue dramatic music, close up and heavy light overhang before cutting to a break*

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 05:14 PM

Servers rising and falling is a good thing.
Could you imagine if HoD were still trouncing the rest of us? Week after week of bitter losses that by this time we've all had a taste of. How dull would WvW be?
Stagnation of even a few weeks in rankings is wearysome, dynamic shifts keep the game interesting. Of course, this requires dynasties end, friends part company to become foes.

But it's ok! Old foes also happen to oftentime also become new friends. This is all good for the playerbase, instead of a few static groups bitterly sniping at one another we slowly become a community. One which works together, friend and foe interchangable, for the mutual benefit of the community.

You don't see us JQ ex-pats shitcanning the victors for a good reason. Many of them are friends much older than GW2, will be friends after the servers send their last packet. We old-time gamers (many of us are on the wrong side of 30) know the value of community in online games. And hope to see our mindset spread.

So transfer to the next up-and-comer. Change the balance. Upset the champion. It's in everyones best interest.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 05:17 PM

All I've seen FoE doing the past few weeks is farming CS for their transfer money and occasionally zerging it up on green to the tune of zero points, so it's not like that's a measurable loss from where we are now. Agg is more of a loss, but not worth crying about.

It's my opinion that in the post-free transfer era, guilds that do choose to move, especially to 1800 gem servers are risking their own demise. 35g is not a huge amount of money, but it's not pocket change for players that have to spend god knows how many hours trash mobbing on CS or dungeon farming. If the transfer doesn't work out like everyone hoped, you've basically ruined all cred with the rank and file since they are now stuck, sans another 35g of exciting PvE farming to transfer again.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 05:20 PM

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JQ has as much skill on the battle field as any other server. Trying to argue that having numbers and having skill are mutually exclusive is a fallacy. We have both.

except for that part where skill and numbers never go hand-in-hand.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 05:25 PM

"SoS, so far, has been the most successful T1 server in the history of the game. Unfortunately, maybe too successful. SoS made the new JQ possible. The only way bitter rivals like SBI and JQ would ever join up was a common enemy as dominant as SoS."

1. HoD would have stuffed SoS in the Pie hole and had them coming back and asking for 2nds and 3rds, so please do not say SoS was the most successful T1. Do not patronize them or try to make them feel better about their current issues.

2. To be a successful T1, you need to be able to accept defeat, pick your self and move on. If SoS does fall apart, then they were only good when they could outnumber and bully around the other servers. Nobody like a bully.

3. If any server is the most successful, it would be JQ who has been T1 since almost the beginning. When was the last time JQ wasn't T1? As other servers have risen and fallen, JQ has hung out in T1. They have weathered winning a lot, coming in 2nd a lot and coming in 3rd a bunch, and still kept chugging along.

Unless the PvP patch is something to behold, I imagine a lot of servers with WvW focus will start losing folks, as the game is getting old and repetitive. My personal play time has crashed, as I am rediscovering the X-Box.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 05:31 PM

View PostPvPD00R, on 12 February 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

3. If any server is the most successful, it would be JQ who has been T1 since almost the beginning. When was the last time JQ wasn't T1? As other servers have risen and fallen, JQ has hung out in T1. They have weathered winning a lot, coming in 2nd a lot and coming in 3rd a bunch, and still kept chugging along.
It's hard to argue against this. Even if SoS has more consecutive T1 wins or HoD had a more impressive showing, JQ has been the most consistent T1 force in NA.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 05:36 PM

View PostTW_LetoII, on 12 February 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:

Stagnation of even a few weeks in rankings is wearysome

I think what a lot of people are wondering is if we're in an era of prolonged stagnation because of free transfers closing while one server is stacked to a degree that is uncompetitive.  I'm sure all the guilds that transferred to JQ "to get a taste of T1" didn't want every match settled by Monday.

Perhaps T1 will improve when a more energized server replaces SoS.  Or perhaps the WvW ladder is permanently damaged.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 05:47 PM

View PostTW_LetoII, on 12 February 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:


You don't see us JQ ex-pats shitcanning the victors for a good reason.

agree on the empire rising/falling sentiment, all part of game, nothing lasts forever. Not sure about teh above statement though if the official gw2 forums are anything to go by :)

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 05:51 PM

View PostStinky Garbage, on 12 February 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

Perhaps T1 will improve when a more energized server replaces SoS.  Or perhaps the WvW ladder is permanently damaged.

  Attrition takes it toll on every T1 server over time.

  In the top 2 tiers, some servers become more energized and enthusiastic, and some become less energized and enthusiastic.

  Nothing is permamenent, except change in player activity.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:10 PM

View PostVihar, on 12 February 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

  Attrition takes it toll on every T1 server over time.

  In the top 2 tiers, some servers become more energized and enthusiastic, and some become less energized and enthusiastic.

  Nothing is permamenent, except change in player activity.

Players losing interest is permanent.  Server contraction is permanent.  The 40g fee it now costs for each member of a guild to transfer is apparently permanent.  Elder Scrolls Online is permanent.  Lots of things are permanent.

How many weeks do you think it will be until JQ plays in a match where they aren't winning by over 20,000 points by Thursday?

I'll set the over/under at the February WvW Patch coming this March.  In fact, I'll set the over/under at two weeks past the Patch.  A gentleman's wager?  Or would 5g keep it interesting?

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:32 PM

Amazing how everyone begged us to stay on SoS and now that we left we are getting trashed.  SOS knows why we left.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:41 PM

View PostFoE, on 12 February 2013 - 06:32 PM, said:

Amazing how everyone begged us to stay on SoS and now that we left we are getting trashed.  SOS knows why we left.

but we don't, please tell :)

Anyway, good luck in your future endevaours, was alot of fun fighting you chaps. Hope to see you again.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:54 PM

View PostShiren, on 12 February 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

I can't watch Guild Center. One of the hosts irritates me to the point where I'd rather roll around in rusty razor blades and then bathe in salty lemon juice to avoid listening to them. Can anyone summarise this stuff about Agg and FoE? What's this about TSym?

I have to ask who?

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:55 PM

I am not going to respond to each post individually because most don't really warant it.  I am pretty sure that our competition can go a head and let everyone know that FoE is still a very active and functioning wvw guild.  The propaganda machine has been very interesting to watch with claims such as "FoE is only fielding 5-10 on reset nights" was one of my favorites.

SoS is a great community but it was not the fit for FoE and we were growing more and more frustrated with the differences.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:57 PM

View PostCalmLittleBuddy, on 12 February 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:


SoS, so far, has been the most successful T1 server in the history of the game. Unfortunately, maybe too successful. SoS made the new JQ possible. The only way bitter rivals like SBI and JQ would ever join up was a common enemy as dominant as SoS.


SoS is not even in the top three most successful servers.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:02 PM

View PostBina, on 12 February 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

SoS is not even in the top three most successful servers.

I guess it depends on how you define success. I'm sure the person you quoted was referring to the fact that SoS has had more T1 wins than any other server since the 1 week format was implemented.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:06 PM

View Postjarcus, on 12 February 2013 - 06:55 PM, said:

I am not going to respond to each post individually because most don't really warant it.  I am pretty sure that our competition can go a head and let everyone know that FoE is still a very active and functioning wvw guild.  The propaganda machine has been very interesting to watch with claims such as "FoE is only fielding 5-10 on reset nights" was one of my favorites.

SoS is a great community but it was not the fit for FoE and we were growing more and more frustrated with the differences.

I can vouch for being steamrolled by like 30+ FoE on reset night/Saturday though I have shifted maps since then so never ran into you guys after. Very good group of players wish them the best and hope to see them soon. :)

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:07 PM

View PostBina, on 12 February 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

SoS is not even in the top three most successful servers.

See, I try to complement them and just get slammed. SoS posters claim I'm trolling, and now folks want to nitpick about success in T1 WvW.

I'm sorry, but, no one can deny that they won the most week long T1 match ups.

Sure, the old HoD would beat them. But the old HoD QUIT before week long match ups really settled in with true WvW population numbers.

Someone said JQ is the most successful. Well, having been accused of chest thumping for my server, I will not comment on that.

My comments were merely to show that I do recognize other servers including SoS for their strengths.

Please, people. Make up your minds. Either I'm a pom pom waving JQ troll who targets SoS or I'm an SoS apologist, who is wrong about SoS winning thee most T1 weekly match ups.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:13 PM

When JQ first started up and people were talking about SoR and the Gaiscioch guild that they were going to be a force.  I was in Gaiscioch back in Warhammer for a bit and in Rift but decided we wanted to be with the DAOC'rs so choose to go with JQ.  They are an awesome guild and a driving force for community events.  I am glad to see they made the trek to T1 and look forward to the battles with them and the rest of SoR.

Grats guys well done as usual!

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:21 PM

View PostCalmLittleBuddy, on 12 February 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

See, I try to complement them and just get slammed. SoS posters claim I'm trolling, and now folks want to nitpick about success in T1 WvW.

I'm sorry, but, no one can deny that they won the most week long T1 match ups.

Sure, the old HoD would beat them. But the old HoD QUIT before week long match ups really settled in with true WvW population numbers.

Someone said JQ is the most successful. Well, having been accused of chest thumping for my server, I will not comment on that.

My comments were merely to show that I do recognize other servers including SoS for their strengths.

Please, people. Make up your minds. Either I'm a pom pom waving JQ troll who targets SoS or I'm an SoS apologist, who is wrong about SoS winning thee most T1 weekly match ups.
Take heart. I appreciate your efforts to be respectful and congratulatory to us even if I disagree on specific details.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:25 PM

View PostCalmLittleBuddy, on 12 February 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:



See, I try to complement them and just get slammed. SoS posters claim I'm trolling, and now folks want to nitpick about success in T1 WvW.

I'm sorry, but, no one can deny that they won the most week long T1 match ups.

Sure, the old HoD would beat them. But the old HoD QUIT before week long match ups really settled in with true WvW population numbers.

Someone said JQ is the most successful. Well, having been accused of chest thumping for my server, I will not comment on that.

My comments were merely to show that I do recognize other servers including SoS for their strengths.

Please, people. Make up your minds. Either I'm a pom pom waving JQ troll who targets SoS or I'm an SoS apologist, who is wrong about SoS winning thee most T1 weekly match ups.
C) all of the above

Just one question. Is that a sword stuck through the sidewall of a tire?

It's been on my mind for weeks now.

On topic: isn't 1800 gems 20 bucks? Not exactly the massive obstacle some seem to think..

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:31 PM

View PostTW_LetoII, on 12 February 2013 - 07:25 PM, said:

C) all of the above

Just one question. Is that a sword stuck through the sidewall of a tire?

It's been on my mind for weeks now.

On topic: isn't 1800 gems 20 bucks? Not exactly the massive obstacle some seem to think..
Something like that. Some look at it in terms of 40g but in that sense its even less of an obstacle given the many ways that people get gold.




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