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#1 The Mighteous One

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 01:47 AM

This is the matchup I've been waiting for. I would have liked to participate in this from Maguuma so that I could crush Kaineng and War Machine and eliminate the transferees, but sometimes things don't always work out how we want them to, kids. It's one of the lessons you'll learn in life.

Speaking of lessons in life, the people of Kaineng who I have been telling that they're not ready will soon learn that The Greatest Player In The Game is always right! The three rookie maps (I don't even bother to know what they're called) will be completely dominated by the other servers this week.

EB will stay Kaineng green until War Machine decides to go to sleep. At which time it'll be promptly taken over by one of the other teams.

Score right now +300 Dragonbrand, +245 Maguuma, and a paltry +150 for Kaineng. 1883, 1849, 1405. If you're a native Kaineng player, it won't be long before queues are back to normal. These kids are as flaky as WWE tag teams and they'll be gone in no time to make Anet rich with their transfer pay. Ridicule and shame will tuck them in tonight as they go to bed the opposite of victorious!

Here's to the liberation of Kaineng, kids! Here's to me! The Greatest Player In The Game!

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 01:55 AM

Come sons of Jr-El, kneel before The Mighteous One.

Good Luck everybody!

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 01:55 AM

Ooooo, I will kill all the Kaineng, i see this week! :D  Have fun!!!

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:01 AM

This is gonna be a fun match up! :cool:
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:47 AM

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The three rookie maps (I don't even bother to know what they're called) will be completely dominated by the other servers this week.

Sorry to burst your bubble :P We are doing just dandy in our zone. Having a lot of fun smashing familiar faces and guilds.

Can't speak for the other maps as much.. but it's nice to have solid competition.

Good luck to all!

P.S. Mighteous, if could port you and Jang in an arena, I would. I'd sell tickets and make millions.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:11 PM

Good luck to all three servers.   =)


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:07 AM

So it's looking like Maguuma & Dragonbrand were the ones to quit. After the first night when they were stomped into a pile of shame on the 3rd shift, they never recovered. Shameful, too. Maybe they're intentionally getting steamrolled so they can hold hands in tier 8? Who knows. All I know is that their poor showing has got me being wrong for the first time in my whole life.

It's looking like Kaineng is Tier 1 material after all, kids. Tarnished Coast roleplayers are definitely not going to resist. Fort Aspenwood isn't going to do anything! Blackgate doesn't have what it takes!

Who will be the one to stop Kaineng? Probably none of you.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:20 AM

View PostThe Mighteous One, on 04 February 2013 - 02:07 AM, said:

So it's looking like Maguuma & Dragonbrand were the ones to quit. After the first night when they were stomped into a pile of shame on the 3rd shift, they never recovered. Shameful, too. Maybe they're intentionally getting steamrolled so they can hold hands in tier 8? Who knows. All I know is that their poor showing has got me being wrong for the first time in my whole life.

It's looking like Kaineng is Tier 1 material after all, kids. Tarnished Coast roleplayers are definitely not going to resist. Fort Aspenwood isn't going to do anything! Blackgate doesn't have what it takes!

Who will be the one to stop Kaineng? Probably none of you.
We just don't have an organized guild like they do, like War Machine. Mag and Dragonbrand doesn't have a big guild to do all the work for us, I don't know much about mag but i do know that Dragonbrand doesn't. That is my opinion.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:00 AM

View PostThe Mighteous One, on 04 February 2013 - 02:07 AM, said:

Who will be the one to stop Kaineng? Probably none of you.

We are assured of two things here: it won't be Anvil Rock or The Mighteous One....nuff' said.

Edited by heatrr, 04 February 2013 - 04:04 AM.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:12 AM

Maguuma and Dragonbrand actually put up a pretty good fight friday night, props to you guys

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:18 AM

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 10:40 AM

View PostThe Mighteous One, on 04 February 2013 - 02:07 AM, said:

So it's looking like Maguuma & Dragonbrand were the ones to quit. After the first night when they were stomped into a pile of shame on the 3rd shift, they never recovered. Shameful, too. Maybe they're intentionally getting steamrolled so they can hold hands in tier 8?

Its not like that at all.

The standard of play from all Kaineng guilds in all timezones is universally poor and I don't think many Kaineng players would disagree with that. However, they have absolutely enormous numbers around the clock. There was 50+ Kaineng players in Maguuma BL literally every minute of every hour of the weekend and its relentless. I can and did spend an absolutely absurd amount of time in Maguuma BL but every time I stepped out for a cigarette or to make a sandwich or to do anything that wasn't pushing people to do the dirty but necessary jobs of WvW when fighting grossly outnumbered, I would come back to find Kaineng had busted into our East Keep and they already had 3 rams on inner.

The dirty but necessary work is the stuff that is incredibly unfun like sitting 4 eles on a treb rotating swirling winds for 3 hours straight. Pressing 2 on a treb for 2 hours straight with 7/10 shots getting blocked. Walking dolyaks with a 10 man escort and defending supply camps from 25+ Kaineng zergs over and over.

I'm confident that Maguuma's open field combat and tower/keep defense/assault is by far the strongest in this matchup and not even War Machine can stop our core players. On the contrary, War Machine is very easy to dismantle, even with inferior numbers because they rely so absolutely on having uninhibited movement. Alot of what we do to bust War Machine like teams is to control their movement by herding them around wells, static fields and null fields. Force them into engaging or retreating to unfavourable terrain. Without boons, the ability to cleanse conditions (especially chill/cripple) and ignore control effects (stability downtime), they can be forced to separate. At best they can be forced to engage at a bad time with terrain disadvantage.

Since we have at best 15 to 20 players on during Oceanic times and even less during SEA times, we will inevitably lose everything every night. We still lost nearly everything over the weekend when many of us pulled extremely late nights but we gotta sleep and eat some time. Many of the core Mags players have elected not to kill themselves over a matchup that means very little due to severe population and timezone disparity. Kaineng has more players than Sea of Sorrows did when I played in T1 a few months ago. Its really insane.

We can take any keep we want, whenever we want, even if its fully defended with a massive siege advantage to the defender like yesterday in the West Keep assault on Kaineng BL. Rethesis were there in force to see it go down. They had 4 arrow carts, 2 ballistas, a treb and a catapult on the outer breach. On the inner breach and Lord Room they had 8 to 10 arrow carts, 3 ballistas, 2 catapults, 2 trebs and a waypoint to port their entire borderland into west keep every 3 minutes. We still took it outnumbered. But when our players log off to sleep, theres very few people around to hold it. Thats just the reality of this matchup.

I am very proud of the way my server has played but acknowledge the scoreboard will never reflect this. They are extremely competent at this game and our pubbies are better than most structured guild groups. I don't think there is any shame in this.

Edited by Farron, 04 February 2013 - 10:50 AM.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:25 PM

View PostFarron, on 04 February 2013 - 10:40 AM, said:

The standard of play from all Kaineng guilds in all timezones is universally poor and I don't think many Kaineng players would disagree with that.

You don't think anyone would disagree with a blanket statement about everyone on their server? I guess that explains the mindset behind the rest of your post. Suffice it to say that I vehemently disagree with such a sweeping generalization.

View PostFarron, on 04 February 2013 - 10:40 AM, said:

I am very proud of the way my server has played but acknowledge the scoreboard will never reflect this. They are extremely competent at this game and our pubbies are better than most structured guild groups. I don't think there is any shame in this.

And you should be proud of how your server has played. Maguuma has proven more tenacious and cunning than any of our previous opponents by quite a large margin. Your defenses are sound, your scouting is solid, and your priorities are generally straight. In fights, your server has tended to hold its own. I have respect for what you've managed to do in this matchup so far. I say this as one of the primary commanders on Maguuma BL during NA times, since I've enjoyed the action so far, as has my guild.

But is your server an indestructible behemoth that is only hindered by being grossly outnumbered in every last engagement by unskilled hordes of enemies? Not really. I mean I understand where you're coming from, it's the same place we were coming from on IoJ. You have to beat your chests and posture about the injustice of it all so that your players are hyped up for your next matchup. It's much easier to say that every lost engagement was due to numbers and every won engagement due to skill; good on the psyche, but bad for improving, and everyone always needs to improve.

I'll give you credit for at least sounding like you were heavily involved in some actual fighting, since most of the Maguuma forum warriors on the official forums might as well be entirely making up their subjective delusions. I'd like to set the record straight about the east keep comment though. We took Hills keep immediately after reset, and we did not lose it well into SEA time. On Saturday, we lost it before our primetime raids began that night, and when we started at 8 EST we regained it within 30 minutes, and again held it until around 5 AM EST when it briefly fell before Meow started their raid.

And again, you should be proud of how your guys have played this week. They've fought hard, and they've fought well. There's absolutely nothing wrong with touting that. But please, cut the dramatic generalizations about how everyone else is terrible, because it's tiresome and blatantly false.

Hope to have more good fights soon; on the field, not the forums.

Edited by Jacbo, 04 February 2013 - 12:25 PM.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:32 PM

View PostThe Mighteous One, on 04 February 2013 - 02:07 AM, said:


It's looking like Kaineng is Tier 1 material after all, kids. Tarnished Coast roleplayers are definitely not going to resist. Fort Aspenwood isn't going to do anything! Blackgate doesn't have what it takes!


Tier 2 imo.  I don't think they can hang with SoS, JQ, SoR, and BG.  There are four tier1's.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:43 PM

View Postjohnnyutah21, on 04 February 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

Tier 2 imo.  I don't think they can hang with SoS, JQ, SoR, and BG.  There are four tier1's.
Not until Kaineng proved you wrong.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 06:46 PM

The Lunar New Year celebrations totally torpedoed our night crew in Dragonbrand as is why everyone here wakes up to see Kaineng has taken over the map.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:33 PM

View Postjohnnyutah21, on 04 February 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

Tier 2 imo.  I don't think they can hang with SoS, JQ, SoR, and BG.  There are four tier1's.

This ^. I posted this on [CO]'s bandwagon thread instead of here accidentally.  Kaineng's strength is all in the overnight.  If you can stop [WM] from resetting the maps and fortifying the towers/keeps, then you win because the N/A crew is too weak to get anything done without that crutch.  Kaineng is playing with a T4 N/A crew at best and a T1 overnight crew.  The server isn't T1 material.  Looking at the current T2, I think FA would be pretty even with Kaineng, TC would lose and BG would destroy them.  Kaineng is not close to SoR/SoS/JQ/BG.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 10:01 PM

I like the kid who typed that novel to say "We at Maguuma are the best, but we're in 3rd place" LOL. Some people have no shame. Suck it up, son. You're getting destroyed and you earned every bit of it. Don't you kids learn about sportsmanship these days?

As for the rest of you who think Kaineng isn't tier 1 material, you're absolutely wrong. Look at what tier 2 was before the reset. Blackgate, Tarnished Coast & Fort freaking Aspenwood.

Those folks aren't gonna be able to put up any resistance! Kaineng is going to plow all the way to the VERY TOP of tier 1! The VERY TOP, kids! I watched Blackgate play during that week I was on Tarnished Coast. They weren't very good at all. The thing that set them apart was they were an organized group that built siege weapons as fast as they could be placed.

Kaineng does it more efficiently. They place their siege smarter. They pick their targets smarter. At least on the EB map. The mouthbreathers on the 3 rookie maps? They don't matter. It's the team that holds SM & EB that wins the game.

I had transferred back to Kaineng in anticipation of their destruction & transferees jumping ship. This ship jumping isn't going to happen unless you folks out there step up your  game a little bit! This is unacceptable! This just goes to show that if you want something done right you have to do it yourself.

Only the old tier 1 servers have any chance at stopping Kaineng. And I don't think that chance is very good at all.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 10:15 PM

View PostAzure Skye, on 04 February 2013 - 02:20 AM, said:

We just don't have an organized guild like they do, like War Machine. Mag and Dragonbrand doesn't have a big guild to do all the work for us, I don't know much about mag but i do know that Dragonbrand doesn't. That is my opinion.

That the War Machine moves around in a giant blob is probably one of the things that makes em weak. The blob can't be everywhere at once, can it? I almost took SM from the evildoers just by typing a bunch of smacktalk in the chat. From ANVIL ROCK of all places! Their strategy depends on your lack of one.

I don't see anybody stopping these kids. Videos I've seen from so-called tier 1 servers show me that ALL OF YOU play like mouthbreathers. And that tier 1 just means that there are more of you to go around. With 24 hour coverage, Kaineng is going to dominate the rankings until you kids learn how to play the game.

If this persists-if nobody is able to beat Kaineng and make the transferees quit- well I'm just gonna have to do it myself.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 10:46 PM

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View PostThe Mighteous One, on 04 February 2013 - 02:07 AM, said:

All I know is that their poor showing has got me being wrong for the first time in my whole life.

Everyone needs to get ready for a lot more of this then.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 12:26 AM

View PostBakedg00ds, on 04 February 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

This ^. I posted this on [CO]'s bandwagon thread instead of here accidentally.  Kaineng's strength is all in the overnight.  If you can stop [WM] from resetting the maps and fortifying the towers/keeps, then you win because the N/A crew is too weak to get anything done without that crutch.  Kaineng is playing with a T4 N/A crew at best and a T1 overnight crew.  The server isn't T1 material.  Looking at the current T2, I think FA would be pretty even with Kaineng, TC would lose and BG would destroy them.  Kaineng is not close to SoR/SoS/JQ/BG.

Very true and completely agree with your assessment of night/day coverage.   During reset Kaineng got completely ran off their borderland in a few hours against tier 3 competition.  This can't happen if they aspire to get to the tier 1.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 03:26 AM

View Postjohnnyutah21, on 05 February 2013 - 12:26 AM, said:

Very true and completely agree with your assessment of night/day coverage.   During reset Kaineng got completely ran off their borderland in a few hours against tier 3 competition.  This can't happen if they aspire to get to the tier 1.

I think I speak for those organizing on Kaineng when I say we acknowledge our weakness which was very apparent in Kaineng Borderlands. Keep in mind in other BL's (such as the one TL/Run/Meow ran) we held 2 keeps without issue during/after reset. I don't think Kaineng would have been as close (12AM) had it not been for the 80+ PPT we were bringing in that night, because every the other BLs were pulling 30 or less for most of the night (we had one borderland with nothing but a camp *cries*). The "alliance" that stationed themselves in Kaineng BL spoke of queue issues, but I cannot confirm or deny they were limited to "60" on the map as they stated officially. "Meh". Meh I say. :P


Strategically, I would not be so quick to discount the *entire* NA pop. We are only 2-3 weeks organized and relatively what you can call a "young" server as WM likes to call it -- meaning we are not "naturally" acclimated to each other. The more we collaborate and work on queue rotations and campaign metas, the more in-line we will be with other T1 servers who have had communities and organization dating months and months.

WM International (NA time) held SM the entire time, having lost almost everything else on the map. 80-90 + 50-60 + 35 + 5 = Around 190-200, which every side who was there that night will remember Kaineng hovering around. Of course, you can always watch streams for proof. I believe them when they said they were being double teamed however, but at the same time, that's the nature of the game. There is nothing "cheap" about being teamed up on, it's an honor really and they should take it as such. WM is great, but not the whole package alone. There was some bickering and such being thrown around behind the scenes, but it seems most of that has dwindled -- as once the matchups started and guilds and alliances had their chance to show their "prowess" in dedicated maps, it became very clear who had room to speak and who didn't. Naturally I think some respect was developed since and it has shown in meetings/discussions thereafter.

TL;dr NA is still getting organized as a whole, we are all new to each other and it will take some time, Oceanic crew is about the same as they were on SBI/IoJ, and they are doing fine.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:15 PM

Oh, how the Mighteous has fallen.

There once was The Mighteous One,
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He set out to prevent,
The Kaineng ascent,
They gave him his ass in his hand.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:36 PM

Very good Vihar, but your little poem is off. You see, preventing the ascent of Kaineng was never my goal. I simply want to eliminate all the transferees that came and are currently stinking up the place.

In the good old days, a fella could be out anywhere in the world of Tyria and teleport into the Kaineng map for trading post/bank access, crafting tables. With the click of a button you could do all these things and enjoy the sharing of INTELLIGENCE in the map/team chat. Nobody gave better intel than the Kaineng server.

Now, whatever you call the ramblings in the chat can barely even be deciphered! "They over here." "They coming" "They taking tower. Tower gone." It's like Buckwheat combined himself with an illiterate Pokemon lover and started typing in my chat channel, man! I had trained these mouthbreathers to give the who, what, when, where, why and how. I taught them brevity. I taught them EFFICIENCY!

And all my hard work was trampled on by these- these HERDS of mindless mouthbreathers! That said, I had written a little poem to submit to the contest that GW2guru is having. I figured I'd share it with you.

Ahem.

Roses are red.
Violets are blue.
I'm better than you at Guild Wars 2.

The Greatest Player In The Game!
I say it loud!
I have no shame!

From Necro to Mesmer I've slain them all!
They're mounted as trophies upon my wall.
A KILLING MACHINE!

A Manic Lout!
I am THE GREATEST!
There is no doubt.

Now you see, Vihar. Based on that description of my glory, the only way I'm getting my ass handed to me is if somebody emails me a screenshot. And with all the sheeple cowering in fear behind me as I bust a hole in the enemy lines, I'm sure my ass gets around.

If you folks trained, took your vitamins, and said your prayers, you might be able to make similar claims.

P.S.-Check out the contest. Maybe you'll win one of the two Collector's Editions. The third one is undoubtedly mine after that glorious poem.


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Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:48 PM

View PostThe Mighteous One, on 04 February 2013 - 02:07 AM, said:

So it's looking like Maguuma & Dragonbrand were the ones to quit. After the first night when they were stomped into a pile of shame on the 3rd shift, they never recovered. Shameful, too. Maybe they're intentionally getting steamrolled so they can hold hands in tier 8? Who knows. All I know is that their poor showing has got me being wrong for the first time in my whole life.

It's looking like Kaineng is Tier 1 material after all, kids. Tarnished Coast roleplayers are definitely not going to resist. Fort Aspenwood isn't going to do anything! Blackgate doesn't have what it takes!

Who will be the one to stop Kaineng? Probably none of you.
I was thinking about playing WvW more, but with people like this dude, why would i want to? just proof how mean spirited people (kids?) get in this game.

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View PostOriginalSinX, on 05 February 2013 - 10:48 PM, said:

I was thinking about playing WvW more, but with people like this dude, why would i want to? just proof how mean spirited people (kids?) get in this game.

Most people are kind and respectful though. Even that Vihar guy, who's mostly just a grumpy ole fart. ;)

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:14 PM

View PostGlobal_GW2, on 05 February 2013 - 10:55 PM, said:

Most people are kind and respectful though. Even that Vihar guy, who's mostly just a grumpy ole fart. ;)

That's why most people suck. I saw a mouthbreather buy a tower upgrade out of sequence and announce it in the chat as if it were a good thing. Then I saw the blue icon say "Good job ____."

It WASN'T a good job, son. Sure, there is more than one way to skin a cat. But calling the 45 minute version a "good job" is an insult to good jobs everywhere!

If you come into my map with the goal of being a good Christian, you've come to the wrong map. I recommend you go to church instead of play war games with REAL MEN. REAL MEN will take the most efficient route. Most of the time that consists of bypassing your precious feewings.

Stay out of Kaineng EB, and you can play the mouthbreather way until your face turns blue.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:22 PM

View PostOriginalSinX, on 05 February 2013 - 10:48 PM, said:

I was thinking about playing WvW more, but with people like this dude, why would i want to? just proof how mean spirited people (kids?) get in this game.

You misunderstand.  The Mighteous One is only cruel to help you become a better person.  It's his duty as the Greatest Player In The Game to show mouthbreathers how real WvW is played.

I recommend looking through his other threads to truly understand the greatness of his vision.  I just hope when he inevitably crushes Tier 1, I'll have the opportunity to throw myself into the breach and die at the feet of team USA.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:36 PM

View Postbrokerib, on 05 February 2013 - 11:22 PM, said:

You misunderstand.  The Mighteous One is only cruel to help you become a better person.  It's his duty as the Greatest Player In The Game to show mouthbreathers how real WvW is played.

I recommend looking through his other threads to truly understand the greatness of his vision.  I just hope when he inevitably crushes Tier 1, I'll have the opportunity to throw myself into the breach and die at the feet of team USA.

http://www.guildwars...to-war-machine/

http://www.guildwars...ng-war-machine/
sounds like an epeen thing, ill pass and mebe just pve,considering how awful you people are.

View PostGlobal_GW2, on 05 February 2013 - 10:55 PM, said:

Most people are kind and respectful though. Even that Vihar guy, who's mostly just a grumpy ole fart. ;)
Oh yeah, i see how kind hearted and nice he sounds from the original post.  Really stand up folks, and his little squad of fanbois to stick up for him, to let us know his bragging is a "good" thing

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:28 AM

Well arn't you a softie...




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