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#1 raspberry jam

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:29 AM

Selling laurels in the gem store would remove the need to * around with dailies.

I think this would be a good idea.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:35 AM

No, then you are selling Best in Slot items for cash, not going to happen.

#3 raspberry jam

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:39 AM

View PostT-D-C, on 06 February 2013 - 10:35 AM, said:

No, then you are selling Best in Slot items for cash, not going to happen.
Why? It's not as if I wouldn't get laurels anyway over time. So it's the same thing as selling an xp boost, which already is in the gem store. Just pay to save time.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:44 AM

Selling laurels would fall into the convenience category. Like how $$$ -> gems -> gold -> exotics makes it already convenient to get max level gear without spending time. It strikes me as odd exotics aren't already sold in the store. Missed opportunity there for Anet.

I like to * around with the dailies though :)

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:49 AM

They probably have the metrics now to prove that they make more in the long run from people buying consumables that they use while grinding their dailies than if people could just buy BiS outright and then have nothing to work for.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:53 AM

The Laurels are there for people that PLAY the game. Selling them in the gemstore would be rather illogical.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:10 AM

I don't agree at all. You can already "buy" your way to ascended back pieces, and this is a step in the wrong direction. Dailies take all of 30mins if you actively hunt them down, or you can get it as you actually play the game.

You could get yourself and ascended amulet by the 25th day of laurel rewards if you did each day and the monthly. For a max stat item, this seems like a very reasonable time expense. It's not as if it's difficult.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:11 AM

anet would never put laurels in the gem store. putting them in the black lion lottery-box on the other hand...

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:35 AM

Some times I can't just figure if you guys resent ArenaNet or if you are all secretly rooting for their mastermind plan.

I mean, stop giving them more "brilliant" ideas. They might get a mixed message otherwise.

#10 raspberry jam

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:48 AM

Personally I dislike their shitty game but would like to play dress-up and occasionally join a friend that asks me for help. Being able to buy laurels would aid me in that. If you don't want to buy them then just don't.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:17 PM

The argument: Sell laurels in gem store so that people who don't want to/can't bother with dailies can get the items that are exclusively available through laurels.
This gives more people access to said things so that those of us who can't log in every day can be on equal ground. Isn't that what you guys are always bitching about? Even ground?

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View PostT-D-C, on 06 February 2013 - 10:35 AM, said:

No, then you are selling Best in Slot items for cash, not going to happen.

What game have you been playing? You can already buy exotics for cash, and I know people who have. You can also buy legendaries, which Anet has explicitly stated will always be best slot items.

View PostLordkrall, on 06 February 2013 - 10:53 AM, said:

The Laurels are there for people that PLAY the game. Selling them in the gemstore would be rather illogical.

I play the game, too, and I think laurels should be available in the gem store. Remember, you can acquire gems through gold-gem conversion, too. Taking into the account that this would also make things available to a larger number of people as I said before, there are other reasons why I'm right and you're wrong and they're going to be below this part.

View PostAndemius, on 06 February 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

I don't agree at all. You can already "buy" your way to ascended back pieces, and this is a step in the wrong direction. Dailies take all of 30mins if you actively hunt them down, or you can get it as you actually play the game.

You could get yourself and ascended amulet by the 25th day of laurel rewards if you did each day and the monthly. For a max stat item, this seems like a very reasonable time expense. It's not as if it's difficult.

Except that it's not just "all of 30mins", it's 30-60min every single *ing day if you want to get it, at soonest, in 20 days(It's 30 laurels for an amulet, 35 for a ring). Let's do some math.
Over the course of a year you have 365 dailies and 12 monthlies. If you played every single day, that's EVERY SINGLE DAY and did your dailies and monthlies without faulter(And yes, this IS asking a lot from people), you'd get 485 laurels.
1 amulet, 30 laurels
2 rings, 70 laurels
3 infusions, at least 15 laurels, at most 30
So for the "reasonable time expense" of 115-130 days(A bit shorter if monthlies are included) you can get 3 pieces of ascended gear, and the infusions to go with them. Think of the people who have a lot of alts. No matter how much or how well they play, the soonest they could possibly gear up four characters(or two characters with two sets each) with rings/amulets through laurels is roughly a year. In what *ing bizarro dimension is that a "very reasonable time expense"?


In summary: Is OP's suggestion the way to go? No, probably not. But it's better than sitting here and deluding yourself into thinking the laurel system is anywhere near sane in the state it's in right now.
Will Anet change it? I'd sure as shit hope so, because as I've highlighted, laurels right now are completely retarded, and they need to give them out for achievement points earned, in my opinion. Who gives a shit if a handful of people with 10k achievement points get shitloads of laurels? It's not like anything in there will break the economy and if Anet caps the infinite loop ones, then those people could, at worst, blow all of the laurels on dyes, flood the economy, and see the dye price go back to normal in about a month, while their laurel income sinks down to where everyone else's is.
If Anet has no intention of changing it, then I(and likely some other people) are going to start losing confidence in this game, because let's be honest, this isn't their only *-up and if they continue to implement stuff in a retarded state like this, the game won't last long.

Or maybe it will. There will always be fanboys who think everything's perfect and sit there scratching their heads wondering why no one likes them.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:20 PM

I disagree with the OP - earn them babies instead of looking for the easy way out to obtain them.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:08 PM

I like the idea.

1 Laurel = 10000 gems
Limit, 1 laurel per month.

#14 raspberry jam

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:16 PM

View PostSans, on 06 February 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:

I like the idea.

1 Laurel = 10000 gems
Limit, 1 laurel per month.
I was thinking a much lower cost than that (the exact cost would be up to ANet of course, just as long as the gold-to-gem conversion doesn't make it cheaper than spending the corresponding time, counted in expected gold per hour, on doing dailies, adjusted for the amount of gold you'd get doing the dailies naturally of course) and no limit on number of laurels.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:18 PM

This is such a stupid *ing idea. There's enough argument about gems to gold being p2w, add in laurels and you've got a recipe for mass exodus. Please stop playing if you hate the 'shitty game', Find another one and muck up their fansites if you like.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:28 PM

View Postraspberry jam, on 06 February 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

Personally I dislike their shitty game but would like to play dress-up and occasionally join a friend that asks me for help. Being able to buy laurels would aid me in that. If you don't want to buy them then just don't.


Seriously, people keep complaining about the cash shop and gw2 being pay2win, but if there's something you can't directly buy from the cash shop then they start complaining about that.

I don't get it, I really don't.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:40 PM

Doesn't the existing cash shop pretty much do this already?  Speed boosts repair canisters etc could all be used to complete the daily faster to obtain laurels more easily.

The GW2 cash shop doesn't really sell you anything that directly gives you a shortcut in the first place.  It is all boosters and acceleraters and cosmetics and storage space.  It is not so much they sell a shortcut but rather items that make play time more productive and in generally ways that give no competitive advantage.

There is the gems to gold exchange but the players do that (although I think this is a flaw in the system because it does let you buy a small advantage in WvW if you use a kind of gear that can be listed on the TP, but there has got to be one form of currency exchange in the game somewhere for people to earn cash shop items in game).  The problem with adding gold to karma or dungeon tokens or laurels exchanges is it would just make the whole economic model collapse.  The whole concept here is many currencies with specific uses.

Tl Dr I personally would not throw a fit or care all that much but I do not think I would let this happen as the developer.   ANet has a hit and miss track record with promise keeping but they did say there would be a way for WvW players to get Ascended gear too.  I am hoping that means there will be dailies fractals and some third way to get these items in PvP.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:48 PM

200 gems each, limit 1 per day which would lock you out of the daily reward. Everyone wins.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:18 PM

View Postraspberry jam, on 06 February 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

Personally I dislike their shitty game

Not entirely sure why you're actually here then.

View Posttalliwackr, on 06 February 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

200 gems each, limit 1 per day which would lock you out of the daily reward. Everyone wins.

That seems reasonable, just short of 4g for a laurel if you're rich you can just get it and forget the daily.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:30 PM

View Postraspberry jam, on 06 February 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

Personally I dislike their shitty game but would like to play dress-up and occasionally join a friend that asks me for help. Being able to buy laurels would aid me in that. If you don't want to buy them then just don't.

How do laurels aid in fashionista galore and helping someone out occasionally ?

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:43 PM

I don't really care about Laurel on the Gem Store, but i rather see other ways to get them. When i check what you can buy with the laurel i want 1 amulet for my two main characters (3 x 30 = 90), I want a amulet with Glided Infusion for when i go AC or CoF for gold (30 + 20 = 50), i wan't a amulet with a magical infusion for when i farm Lodestone (30 + 20=50).  That mean, that its gonna take me about 5 months to get this stuff if i don't miss any daily. This is too long.

You should be able to get more Laurel from all the different sphere of the game. Make people travel and do stuff all over Tyria to get more Laurel. With the daily, everybody just go to Queensdale. Get some Laurel by completing PvP daily and Monthly, by killing a number of Invader in WvW, by completing 5 or 10 different puzzle jumping, by getting World Completion, by doing 10 or 20 dungeons runs. Stuff that take time, that can't be farm really quickly. (Event doing CoF path 1 over and over you would only get 1 Laurel per hours to 1 laurel per 2 hours).  This way, people could get laurel by doing what they like, people playing more with several character could get laurel faster and people play less (like only during the week-end), could still get more than 2 laurel per week.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:49 PM

I'd be up for it. I have 4 characters. It would take me a fricking year without the infusions for all of them. I appreciate the alternative to fractals but both are a fricking grind and unlike a lot of MMO players who are retail workers or college students, I actually value my time and it doesn't come cheap.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:53 PM

New MMO players nowadays are just bad.

View Postfathamburger, on 06 February 2013 - 02:49 PM, said:

fricking grind

You have no idea what grind means right?

#24 raspberry jam

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:31 PM

View PostIllein, on 06 February 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

How do laurels aid in fashionista galore and helping someone out occasionally ?
You can buy various gear using laurels, that you otherwise would have to grind to get. I'm basically suggesting paying to skip grind.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:33 PM

You want to see this game die faster?  Sell those Laurels in the gem store, go right ahead.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:44 PM

Be patient. The rings used to only be available in FoTM. I bet we'll see other ways to get ascended gear soon.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:18 PM

View Posttalliwackr, on 06 February 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

200 gems each, limit 1 per day which would lock you out of the daily reward. Everyone wins.

The only reasonable idea.

#28 raspberry jam

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:23 PM

View PostTGIFrisbie, on 06 February 2013 - 03:33 PM, said:

You want to see this game die faster?  Sell those Laurels in the gem store, go right ahead.
I'm fairly confident that you are wrong. Actually, I would for sure play more if I could skip the grind.

View PostShezuTsukai, on 06 February 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

Be patient. The rings used to only be available in FoTM. I bet we'll see other ways to get ascended gear soon.
I hope that one of them will be available through the gem store! :)

View PostSans, on 06 February 2013 - 04:18 PM, said:

The only reasonable idea.
The price is more of what I would want it to be, but the 1 per day limit is not; it would defeat the idea of being able to skip grind.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:28 PM

View Postraspberry jam, on 06 February 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:


The price is more of what I would want it to be, but the 1 per day limit is not; it would defeat the idea of being able to skip grind.

technically this isn't correct. You are still skipping the grind, you just have to buy one every day. No grind involved at all. Isn't that what you wanted?

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:38 PM

In one of WoodenPotatoes videos () he says that the items you can buy with Laurels are miss-priced at the moment because you will (eventually) be getting laurels from other achievements. So you are not limited to getting them only from daily's therefore making the prices on some of those items a lot more reasonable.

What his sauce on this info is, I don't know (or if he mentioned it, I have forgotten) but he normally knows what he is talking about :)

But this would mean you don't have to do daily's every day and it wont take 100+ days to get 3 items.




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