xtbx, on 20 February 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:
ofc anyone has right to be looser but can't be offended when winners call him looser ... it may be hard to bite but it's just truth
You know...claiming to be a winner and calling others losers...just shows you to be the intellectual inferior that has to resort to name calling instead of intelligent discussion up to and including the point of agreeing to disagree...and pretty much tanks anything you may have said that could have been valid by lacing it with your own ignorance.
I'm gonna chime in here...I've had discussions on differnet classes and build ideas with many of the folks posting in here. (Brand, Sithicus, Lucav, Chullster, Strife, etc.) and each of them have good insight into different aspects of the way things function in this game.
I would be classified as a "Casual" player, as I do not get to play every day, nor do I worry about "Speed Clears" or any hardcore PvP, but I do enjoy W v W. I play Fractals and I do Dungeons.
I enjoy running Sonic Boon, but I also tweak it based on the situation(I have thrown in Banners and adjusted some Traits based on the situation). I also run with Strife's Axe/Axe build and I enjoy a good run with a Hammer (Gasp?!?!?) even though Hammer is not the best for handing out DPS, but good in some CC instances(Nothing Like Having a Hammer War and Hammer Guardian in AC Story to pick one of the lovers and just bat them back and forth lol)
...personally I do it just because its fun.
Trying to find the beneficial info amongst all this "I'm a winner and you're a loser" is just an effort in futility.
Are there places where ALL of these builds could be made better? Sure...but it has to be done in conext...as some of them are set for specific scenarios (Like Strife's Axe/Mace DPS Dungeon build thread, which works very well for me in Dungeons, btw.)
The thing that was pointed out a few posts back was, Anet has done its best to get rid of the Holy Trinity...thank goodness...all these builds are a result of NOT being able to rely on just one class/person to carry the load as the "Healer", "Tank", or "DPS".
Are Hybrid builds optimal...of course not...are full Glass-Cannons the best...not hardly. I have had to spend more time pulling up Glass-Cannons than I care to count...although it does help in getting my Daily Healer completed.
Also, if I am running a more Hybrid build, I have to make sure I pay more attention to dodging and staying close to people so I can support them as they support me...different play-styles to suit different functions of different builds.
When I am running solo out in PvE open world, and need a bit more self-healing, Sonic Boon can be a good choice. Would I run it in high-level Fractals? No...its not meant for that...Brand even says its not meant for high level fractals. Do I use Strife's Axe/Mace DPS Dungeon Build to go play WvW? No...Strife lays out that its tweaked for DUNGEONS. Really, read threads and understand what these builds are supposed to do before just telling people they suck and their builds suck.
When running into a group of "competent" players out in PvE, which I guess I have been lucky to never run into any players that I would consider "bad" players, I can switch up some utilities and adjust some traits on the fly and make a better fit...this holds true for several of the builds I have found on here and enjoy using.
Sithicus pointed out this is a great place to have a discussion like this, and I agree...it had potential...but I just can't get past the blatant ignorance of people who just seem to say "you suck, and I'm superior, and because you don't agree with me you're just proving you suck"...and blanket saying "Casual players are bad players"...just shows your ignorance on how different people play this game and the fun that can be had in GW2 no matter what your skill level.(props to Thaddeuz for pointing this out!) Unfotunately the thread starter is also a basher of anyone who doesn't agree with their point of view...so maybe it wasn't started with the "best of intentions."
chuckles79, on 19 February 2013 - 07:01 PM, said:
This is utter nonsense and I think an admin should close down this flamewar.
The vast majority of warriors gear spec somewhere in between glass cannon and bleeding heart support. If a warrior has all PVT gear and goes 10/20/0/30/10; they will still do enough damage to get the team through the dungeon in decent time.
In the end, the effectiveness of a dungeon run always comes down to skill above build.
Effectiveness = (2 * skill) + (build / 1.5)
Unfotunately I am gonna have to side with Chuckles here...on both points...Skill goes a long way...and we seem to never be able to get past the juvenile attitude of "I say I'm a winner and my build is best, so I must be better than you, so you suck." Its already become a flamewar, and anything even remotely beneficial is getting lost.
To Strife, Chullster, SIthicus, Brand, etc...keep putting together builds and ideas...some of you may not get along; but some of us learn a lot from the concepts, builds, and discussions that don't end up like this.