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#211 GuanglaiKangyi

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 06:45 PM

View PostNikephoros, on 01 March 2013 - 03:13 PM, said:

This is correct.  Agreeing to disagree is fine when it is a matter of subjective taste or style.  This debate is about objective facts, and the facts are clear and the debate is quite obviously settled.  There is only one person remaining who is unconvinced (or is pretending to be unconvinced) but much like a religious zealot, no amount of proof would be sufficient to sway his beliefs, so it hardly matters.

Are you finally admitting that you're just Strife posting under multiple accounts, then?

View PostCoren, on 01 March 2013 - 09:31 AM, said:

Or better yet, meet up and kill the same thing and time it. Whoever is fastest, wins, that way you don't have interference about who is more powerful if team members stack vulnerability. Just you 2.

You'll notice that Strife dodged that proposal when I suggested it, so it's not likely to happen.

#212 starkwhite

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 06:52 PM

View PostGuanglaiKangyi, on 01 March 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

You'll notice that Strife dodged that proposal when I suggested it, so it's not likely to happen.

Please link your video showing an engineer out-dpsing warrior axe.

#213 whodini

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 07:06 PM

Always about dps. That's all I usually see on guru. Key factor that is a must now that there are party wipes. Maybe we should focus more on survival.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 07:12 PM

all this false elitism and "you samefag!!" stupidity is really embarassing to read

in case you guys didn't notice, the game is garbage when it comes to theorycrafting (and everything else too, I'm a hater) - couldn't stand to read more than half of this so you might've noticed that already on later pages

wrong tooltips, agonizing battlelog, false information on sites that call themselves gw2 "wiki" and whatelse.
I remember a few weeks back, that half or more of the forum believed that leech-pie would only heal and not steal life, always wondered why because the additional numbers pop up on screen - that alone tells me how "limited " most people are in this game

as long as there is no dps-meter like in similiar games there is absolutely no reason to have this discussion, whatever you do, you can't proof anything
people will believe what they see in-game
if they see the X killing Y in less seconds than Z then X will be the class that dishes out the most damage, thats it. (for them)

this also means that the only way to proof anything else is to make a video about it and time it. and it has to be a video on something that doesn't move and doesn't fight back
and even then, it won't really matter because that's still theoretical because, in practice, this game doesn't use the holy trinity (tank/heal/damage dealer). there is no way you can dps all the time without using dodge and doing other stuff leading to different results every single time. and who is to say whether or not X and Y together won't deal more damage than 2X or 2Y ?

Edited by KrayZ33, 01 March 2013 - 07:38 PM.


#215 Ioflux

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 07:12 PM

View Poststarkwhite, on 01 March 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

Please link your video showing an engineer out-dpsing warrior axe.

He wont, he'll just spout garbage theorycraft at you saying why it does when in reality it doesnt. He spends more time looking at numbers and paper and less time putting things into practice. Either that or he just has a hard time connecting the correlation between the two. The burden of proof is on him but he will undoubtedly find a way to dodge his inferiority.

#216 Coren

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 07:51 PM

View PostGuanglaiKangyi, on 01 March 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:



Are you finally admitting that you're just Strife posting under multiple accounts, then?



You'll notice that Strife dodged that proposal when I suggested it, so it's not likely to happen.

Didn't notice, point to you :)

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 08:01 PM

View PostGuanglaiKangyi, on 01 March 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

You'll notice that Strife dodged that proposal when I suggested it, so it's not likely to happen.

lol you need a reality check.

The person/guild that actually makes guides, speed clear videos, and tries to beat other people's times, as well as just posting two videos which obviously proved you wrong, doesn't dodge.

I'll match anything you do, but as I said, I'm not wasting my time or parsing your data anymore, you go make whatever video you want and parse your own data and I'll easily match it while calling you out. It's obvious you're a waste of time, so I'm not going to even bother with you anymore unless you want to provide something relevant first.

See this is how real speed run/kill videos work, people make a video like in the GL speed kill video on the official forums, and people like me try to beat it utilizing everything from builds, teamwork, dynamic combat, and skill. And then other people try to beat it, etc., etc., showing their techniques and how they do it. So someone posted a video killing him in 2:11, then someone killed him in 1:46, and then we made this video. That's how speed clears in video games actually work.


I don't waste my time with a forum scrub who apparently has no friends to even field a group, has no idea how to speed clear dungeons, and apparently is still stuck in fotm 20s. You would think a "pro" who spends hours on the forums and cares so much about dungeon groups would actually have friends and a guild to do them with. As I said, apparently your lack of intelligence and social skills on gw2guru translates to ingame as well.

So come back when you have something relevant to contribute, and go make that engi video you promised that other warrior before you start calling people out on videos.

That being said, it's obvious a solo warrior is going to destroy a guardian, so not sure why you want to "meet up". I don't need to hold your hand like your mom for you to make a video killing something, since apparently you can't even re-make a video of Slave Driver, the easiest boss of the most farmed path in the game actually trying to match the Warrior DPS I already parsed out for you.

Sounds like someone else is dodging.

Edited by Strife025, 01 March 2013 - 08:04 PM.


#218 GuanglaiKangyi

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 08:19 PM

View PostStrife025, on 01 March 2013 - 08:01 PM, said:

lol you need a reality check.

The person/guild that actually makes guides, speed clear videos, and tries to beat other people's times, as well as just posting two videos which obviously proved you wrong, doesn't dodge.

I'll match anything you do, but as I said, I'm not wasting my time or parsing your data anymore, you go make whatever video you want and parse your own data and I'll easily match it while calling you out. It's obvious you're a waste of time, so I'm not going to even bother with you anymore unless you want to provide something relevant first.

See this is how real speed run/kill videos work, people make a video like in the GL speed kill video on the official forums, and people like me try to beat it utilizing everything from builds, teamwork, dynamic combat, and skill. And then other people try to beat it, etc., etc., showing their techniques and how they do it. So someone posted a video killing him in 2:11, then someone killed him in 1:46, and then we made this video. That's how speed clears in video games actually work.


I don't waste my time with a forum scrub who apparently has no friends to even field a group, has no idea how to speed clear dungeons, and apparently is still stuck in fotm 20s. You would think a "pro" who spends hours on the forums and cares so much about dungeon groups would actually have friends and a guild to do them with. As I said, apparently your lack of intelligence and social skills on gw2guru translates to ingame as well.

So come back when you have something relevant to contribute, and go make that engi video you promised that other warrior before you start calling people out on videos.

That being said, it's obvious a solo warrior is going to destroy a guardian, so not sure why you want to "meet up". I don't need to hold your hand like your mom for you to make a video killing something, since apparently you can't even re-make a video of Slave Driver, the easiest boss of the most farmed path in the game actually trying to match the Warrior DPS I already parsed out for you.

Sounds like someone else is dodging.

Uh, it's been, like, what, a week and you still haven't beaten the Slave Driver video.  Do that first then we'll talk.

Your timing is pretty good, though.  Here's a video of the engineer's standard DPS capacity in a dungeon build.  You're free to try to top that on a warrior.  I'm using Seaweed Salad and Sharpening Stone, for reference.  No boosters or external sources of anything.  I was going to try to beat that other guy's time on the giant but then I realized I'd have to buy a whole new set of armor and weapons and a bunch of runes and sigils, which didn't really seem worthwhile for one video.  I think what we've got here speaks for itself anyway.


Edited by GuanglaiKangyi, 01 March 2013 - 08:19 PM.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 08:28 PM

View PostGuanglaiKangyi, on 01 March 2013 - 08:19 PM, said:

Uh, it's been, like, what, a week and you still haven't beaten the Slave Driver video.  Do that first then we'll talk.

Your timing is pretty good, though.  Here's a video of the engineer's standard DPS capacity in a dungeon build.  You're free to try to top that on a warrior.  I'm using Seaweed Salad and Sharpening Stone, for reference.  No boosters or external sources of anything.  I was going to try to beat that other guy's time on the giant but then I realized I'd have to buy a whole new set of armor and weapons and a bunch of runes and sigils, which didn't really seem worthwhile for one video.  I think what we've got here speaks for itself anyway.



lol and that's what I'm talking about, lack of mental capacity thinking you still do more dps in the Slave Driver video despite the outstanding evidence saying otherwise. Keep trying, it's funny.

As far as that video is concerned, I'll happily make one on my warrior this weekend using normal food, no outside buffs, and I'm assuming normal sigils i.e. not superior sigil of undead? No prob.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 08:36 PM

View PostGuanglaiKangyi, on 01 March 2013 - 08:19 PM, said:



I'm legitimately confused, is this video supposed to prove that it takes three times longer to kill something on an Engineer than it does on a warrior?

#221 GuanglaiKangyi

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 08:44 PM

View PostStrife025, on 01 March 2013 - 08:28 PM, said:

lol and that's what I'm talking about, lack of mental capacity thinking you still do more dps in the Slave Driver video despite the outstanding evidence saying otherwise. Keep trying, it's funny.

As far as that video is concerned, I'll happily make one on my warrior this weekend using normal food, no outside buffs, and I'm assuming normal sigils i.e. not superior sigil of undead? No prob.

Yeah, Strength and Force is what I've got.  I'm also using boon duration runes but you're free to use whatever you want.

View PostKhrushchev, on 01 March 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

I'm legitimately confused, is this video supposed to prove that it takes three times longer to kill something on an Engineer than it does on a warrior?

Apart from that one guy's video (which he freely admitted was just a gimmick build specifically for that purpose (max Bloodlust, Undead Slaying sigil and potion, Sigil of the Night, starting under 25% for Desperate Power, Strength Booster, plus he popped Frenzy) I'm pretty sure it's impossible to kill that giant in less than 7 seconds with any realistic build.

Edited by GuanglaiKangyi, 01 March 2013 - 08:48 PM.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 08:51 PM

View PostKhrushchev, on 01 March 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

I'm legitimately confused, is this video supposed to prove that it takes three times longer to kill something on an Engineer than it does on a warrior?

I am going to have to defend this video because, well, I have never seen a warrior do it in under 10 seconds, the best I've seen has been from strifes videos, and my own testing with DPS food.

Also, I had no idea an engineer could do that, wow.

Edit: This is ofc, assuming that warrior is traited for a proper dungeon build.

Edited by Keaghan, 01 March 2013 - 08:55 PM.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 08:56 PM

View PostKrayZ33, on 01 March 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

all this false elitism and "you samefag!!" stupidity is really embarassing to read

in case you guys didn't notice, the game is garbage when it comes to theorycrafting (and everything else too, I'm a hater) - couldn't stand to read more than half of this so you might've noticed that already on later pages

wrong tooltips, agonizing battlelog, false information on sites that call themselves gw2 "wiki" and whatelse.
I remember a few weeks back, that half or more of the forum believed that leech-pie would only heal and not steal life, always wondered why because the additional numbers pop up on screen - that alone tells me how "limited " most people are in this game

as long as there is no dps-meter like in similiar games there is absolutely no reason to have this discussion, whatever you do, you can't proof anything
people will believe what they see in-game
if they see the X killing Y in less seconds than Z then X will be the class that dishes out the most damage, thats it. (for them)

this also means that the only way to proof anything else is to make a video about it and time it. and it has to be a video on something that doesn't move and doesn't fight back
and even then, it won't really matter because that's still theoretical because, in practice, this game doesn't use the holy trinity (tank/heal/damage dealer). there is no way you can dps all the time without using dodge and doing other stuff leading to different results every single time. and who is to say whether or not X and Y together won't deal more damage than 2X or 2Y ?
If you hate the game, why are you on the forums?

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 09:20 PM

Closing this topic at least temporarily so it can be cleaned out and gotten back on track.




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