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[jthamind]

whether f2p or subscription or one-time buy, whether new or old, whatever. i'm just curious what people think is the best overall MMO out right now. i know this is a GW2 site, so i wouldn't be surprised if that gets a lot of votes, but i'm sure a lot of people will have other opinions.

the main reason i ask this is because i've only put a significant amount of time into two MMOs, WoW and GW2, so i don't know much about the overall market for them, other than knowing the names of certain other MMOs.

so what do you guys think?

[Fernling306]

DCUO is really fun for awhile if you haven't play it yet. I don't play WoW anymore, but would say that is the best mmo on the market. SWTOR has the best story I have ever played in a game. That is the only thing SWTOR offers though.

[johnnybravo15]

Definitely EVE Online. This game is amazing!

[Katsumi Kei]

EVE online or GW2. Maybe Secret world is good too, but i am not sure about that. I cannot possibly understand how someone can think wow is all that great.

While Guru's forums are full of crying   about how bad GW is, the game itself is very good and there are tons of people playing and enjoying it, so GW2 is one of the best on the market at the moment!

[Sam]

I have played alot of MMO's, and I can say that my personal favorites are WoW and GW2. The rest of the MMO's I've played where average or plain bad.

[Lyrabel]

I tried many, but I usually get bored very fast. Nothing really kept me playing as long as RO.
I hope they'll soon release the second.
But something I play atm is LoL. >_<;

[Rhododendron]

EVE online for the single shard universe where everybody can meet everybody, unparalelled customer support and community management and this new groundbreaking thing, bridging the mmo that happens in space with their new console shooter, DUST 514 that goes on the planets in the same universe, with interaction between the players from both games in chat and even combat. Then i'd say comes GW2 where you can find almost everything a subscription MMO has for free being particularly amazing at the exploration part capitalizing on the exceptional level design and art department.

[Doctor Overlord]

I still find World of Tanks fun to play every now and then but most of my gametime is spend playing GW2.

I also have Planetside 2 and DCUO on my desktop but I haven't jumping into them in a while.   Maybe it's time to look at them again

Which is actually *incredibly* cool if you think about it.   Just being able to just hop into any one of those polished games whenever you want really shows how the MMO genre has evolved.   I hope it continues to move in that direction in spite of some who insist that such evolution is bad.   I would think a wide variety of games to a range of players would be far better than having a single game dominating a niche market meant for hardcores as MMOs did for so many years.

[Alex Dimitri]

I played a lot of MMO`s past decade here`s some views:

1.GW1 - Fantastic game (maybe not full MMO, like many stated as it`s main flaw) fun, casual player friendly, not grindy !

2.Runes of Magic - started very good, had the spirit of free WoW (unfortunetly destroyed by decision to main currency "diamonds" forbid from trade on AH) everything after that was P2W

3.Allods Online - awesome concept, great looking game, very fun (totally destroyed by cash shop biggest P2W i saw to this date) real shame too !

4.GW2 - Most beautiful game (MMO) i`ve ever seen (half finished product, so CHEAP on drops/rewards, with unreasonable demands on crafting anything better, huge inflation, TP prices are insane) for $50 bucks in GW2 shop you can get 4000 gems which converted into game currency gold yields about 80g, with "that much" gold on you, best description would be "beggar under the bridge"  !

[Bonana]

Alex Dimitri, on 19 February 2013 - 08:43 PM, said:

I played a lot of MMO`s past decade here`s some views:

1.GW1 - Fantastic game (maybe not full MMO, like many stated as it`s main flaw) fun, casual player friendly, not grindy !

2.Runes of Magic - started very good, had the spirit of free WoW (unfortunetly destroyed by decision to main currency "diamonds" forbid from trade on AH) everything after that was P2W

3.Allods Online - awesome concept, great looking game, very fun (totally destroyed by cash shop biggest P2W i saw to this date) real shame too !

4.GW2 - Most beautiful game (MMO) i`ve ever seen (half finished product, so CHEAP on drops/rewards, with unreasonable demands on crafting anything better, huge inflation, TP prices are insane) for $50 bucks in GW2 shop you can get 4000 gems which converted into game currency gold yields about 80g, with "that much" gold on you, best description would be "beggar under the bridge"  !

i have yet to figure out what actually improves the stocks on gems.

[Tregarde]

There is no one "best" MMO. It really depends on what you like, and finding the game that meets what you want the most.

[Dirame]

THE BEST MMO IS GW2!!! RAWR!!!!!!

On a more serious note;

Best Sandbox I've played; Eve.
Best MMO I've played; Eve and The Guild Wars Series.

For me they have quite a few similarities that people may not realize until they really think about it.

Edited by Dirame, 19 February 2013 - 09:09 PM.

[jthamind]

can somebody explain to me what's so great about EVE in practice? in theory, all of the concepts and aspects of it seem really awesome. but when i've looked it up, it literally just looks like a HUD with a space background. is there more to it than that? do you actually directly control ships or characters, or have any sort of hands-on combat, or is it more of a space RTS?

[El Duderino]

jthamind, on 19 February 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

can somebody explain to me what's so great about EVE in practice? in theory, all of the concepts and aspects of it seem really awesome. but when i've looked it up, it literally just looks like a HUD with a space background. is there more to it than that? do you actually directly control ships or characters, or have any sort of hands-on combat, or is it more of a space RTS?

Well, this is pretty cool: http://www.gamebreak...osts-thousands/

Its the best sandbox game out there. You can literally do pretty much anything you like.

Here is another example of something that you just don't find in other MMO's that you do in EVE:

http://eve.klaki.net/heist/

[Inraged Twitch]

hardcore - daoc, eve, shadowbane emu, darkfall
medicore - gw2, wow,
softcore - firefall, defiance, ddo,

[Black Metal]

I only have enough time to play one MMO hardcore at a time, so all I'm playing is GW2 with some GW1, but I'm not going to say GW2 is the best MMO currently.  What I will say is that in 6 months to a year I think GW2 will be the best one -- there is a lot of content coming and reward systems being worked on, and beyond that there are some serious issues that need to be re-iterated (namely, combat and dungeons), but the groundwork and commitment is there.

So if someone wants to shelve GW2 for a bit and discover something else, now would be the time.  If I had the time I might become interested in Neverwinter or TES Online, or kick the wheels of TOR or TSW free models.

[DamnLag]

I have been playing a fair bit of SWToR. The class stories are the best in the industry. I have no interest in endgame, just leveling the different classes.

[Fernling306]

An awesome amount of Eve players here! I mentioned WoW, dcuo and SWTOR in my previous post, but my favorite mmo is by far EVE. I don't typically mention it because the complexity of the game usually deters people of the WoW/gw2/rift crowd away.

There are 21 day free trials with a buddy invite and 14 days without for EVE. If you, or anyone wants a 21 day trial hit me up with a PM and I will send you one. I will just need your email address.

[brokerib]

jthamind, on 19 February 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

can somebody explain to me what's so great about EVE in practice? in theory, all of the concepts and aspects of it seem really awesome. but when i've looked it up, it literally just looks like a HUD with a space background. is there more to it than that? do you actually directly control ships or characters, or have any sort of hands-on combat, or is it more of a space RTS?

You directly control a ship, which could range from a one man frigate to a capital ship capable of warping in entire fleets, and everything in between.  What you want to do with that ship is up to you, from build and fit-out to where you go and who you shoot.  Combat is semi-active and real time, and you can go from happily bumbling along in your ship to desperately trying to get your escape pod to a station within seconds.

I played for about 18 months and specialised in small fast assault ships for fun (tackle rifter for fleet engagements and artillery wolf for complex runs) and trained up as a researcher to develop advanced ship blueprints (for profit).

A friend who started up at the same time as me decided to become a miner and ended up running a lumbering mining barge to harvest asteroids in low sec space, and specialised in drones to keep himself out of trouble.

I know people who have specialised in transport (running cargo for other players), exploration, combat missions, bounty hunting, and just being a piwate.  And almost all interactions were player generated.

So yes, there's lots to do, and it's amazingly in-depth once you get into it.  The only point I'd raise is that it's not casual friendly.  It's not easy to learn, the tutorials are lacking, and there are a set of people who spend their time specifically trolling new players hot out of the space station (as a service to the community...).  If your ship gets blown up, it's gone.  If your escape pod blows up, you lose all the hardware in your head (and possibly some skill progression if you're not careful).  And if you try to go back to pick up some of your gear form the wreckage, you're liable to get blown up again by the same guy who killed you in the first place.

But if you can get past that, the skill system has alot of depth and is based on real time progression, the ship fit-outs alone can keep you occupied for hours, and the content is endless.

9/10 stars.

[omar316]

Eve is definitely a really deep game. But it was a time consuming and effort based game like non other.
But that was what which irked me as well. It was to time consuming to get any where. Progression is really real time and its pretty difficult to get any where so called end game level without 1 or 2 months of solid playing. Most of the times I can put my ship on course for different missions and it'd take me 10 mins of travel just to get there.

DAoC is a great RvR based game.
You'll never get bored but the amount of CC and high renown group running around killed my investment into it.
You can get stun locked and nuked for your entire health in 2 seconds. Nevertheless it really is awesome sauce.

Warhammer is another I'd recommend.
The game has been dumbed down considerably and it is quite easy to get geared up to the end level tier.
It was insanely difficult to get end game at launch but still it has one of the better RvR easy modes with a great group structure.
You can also play it's spin off Wrath of Heroes. Basically the scenarios only version of it.

SWToR is everything I am playing right now. It has a great PvE progression with lots of story.
Good amount of content to explore and is easy to be just lost in the world doing different things. If you like playing RPGs this would be the closest to be perfect. Class customisation, companion/pet customisation, 8 different class stories with 2 different paths(light side/Dark side). Although many of them are rehashed missions/quests with light side and dark side options it is still fun to play through with different companions and stuff. Did I mention the dungeons are actually fun and engaging with actually good loot drops. The process to craft is simple and fun but the end game crafting market is broken. PvP is limited to scenarios(sPvP in GW2 terms) but having different objectives spices up the game a bit. It's easy to get rolled at 50 due to 3 tiers of PvP gear but again it also boils down to objectives rather than straight up death matches.

The Secret World is fun to explore and just discover new stuff. I didn't really get much into the game, but its skill system is unique and quite robust. The quest lines are huge and some of them lead to other clues. Dailies are hidden as well, but I find that the customisation for the looks was quite bland.

AoC was fun for a while. Tiger mounts were awesome. But meh...

[MadFherrit]

jthamind, on 19 February 2013 - 04:30 AM, said:

whether f2p or subscription or one-time buy, whether new or old, whatever. i'm just curious what people think is the best overall MMO out right now. i know this is a GW2 site, so i wouldn't be surprised if that gets a lot of votes, but i'm sure a lot of people will have other opinions.

the main reason i ask this is because i've only put a significant amount of time into two MMOs, WoW and GW2, so i don't know much about the overall market for them, other than knowing the names of certain other MMOs.

so what do you guys think?

Since you're asking my opinion on the matter, I'll give you my two cents worth.

WoW is the king as far as revenue generation with each expansion reinventing the game.  People mistakenly think that it is pure evolution for the players sake...it is not.  They literally reinvent all the classes former dynamics and make a new interation of the game to keep subs coming in.  That said, if you haven't played WoW yet and like theme park on rails game design with a poseur's nod of deference to pvp...its worth your time.  You'll burn out on it sooner or later though, because...its a theme park...on rails...with a totally gear centric model for determining who is "good".

DCUO is fun if you like console like pc games.  Personally, I detest console games, they're closed box systems with a fraction of the options that true PC games have, but...for a console port...its actually pretty decent.  Until...you burn out on it, but I really dug the pvp on it.  Unfortunately, for a Supers game, their notion of costumes which is the heart of all Super's genre, is modeled after WoW. I.E. you collect your look as loot.  You can customize its color, but when you compare it to Cities of Heroes or even its successor Champions Online...veerrrrry disappointing what SOE came up with there.  Then again...they're SOE...F88k up is their middle name.

GW2--well...gonna get a lot of hate for this but...honestly?  meh.  Perhaps I played it too much as I got 4 chars to 80 and hated how now I had to grind FotM and find someone in my bracket or to pursue a long trial and error finding a decent guild and having enough people to play with to do anything...I sound bitter I bet, I don't mean to, just by the time I stopped playing GW2 regularly, those were the reasons why.  When I log in like...2x a month to see if its any better, either I'm impatient or my senses are ringing true that not much has changed and its not worth investing any more time in.  I just got done putting in 3 hrs on Sunday, hence the attitude.  To those who love GW2...rock on...have fun enjoying it as my dislike and your like has nothing to do with each other  

Eve.  Hands down, best sandbox to date.  You have to be patient with the game though, and if you like pvp, this is definitely your game to give a try.  Proof that theme parks are not the single best model for corps to pursue...and yet...one WoW clone after another.  The insanity of it

Dark Age of Camelot:  Oi...glory days long gone.  Too bad, I so loved that game at the time  

DDO/Champions Online/LotR  all pretty decent ftp games, a bit on the fluffy light side but for the price of a download you can't complain about what you're getting.

Warhammer Online:  RIP   EA and oddly Mythic managed to thoroughly hump the pooch on this one.  It had potential and then...not.

One game I wished had done better but then Funcom managed to do a EA/Mythic and humped this too is Age of Conan.  I thought they would've learned their lessons from Anarchy Online and turn into a serious game developer, tons of atmosphere, fantastic IP and ...pooch...humped...bleeding...sore.  Will never touch a Funcom product ever again.

EQ2:  Not bad but a bit grindy.  However the world, if you spend the $$ and buy the xpacs is absolutely eyeballs deep to sink into.  So much to do, so much to see, it'd be better if there were more people but I will say that the folks who are there are good people.  Mature playerbase, very helpful.  That said, SOE...remember their middle name? It bears out here too.  Not saying its a waste of your time, but if you find yourself seriously thinking about it, do your homework on the server choices.  Antonious Bayle is my personal recommendation.

Best "MMO" that I've been absolutely fascinated by repeatedly is Skyrim...modded of course

In general, MMOs have largely been rather disappointing for me lately, with Eve being the exception.  I'd play Eve more, but its a bit more demanding than i have time for.  Too many focus on funneled endgame play, which boggles me.  The game has this whole world and the Devs repeatedly follow WoW's formula of feeding everyone into the same old instances with rote gameplay phases to memorize for the shot at some loot that determines far too much of their ability.  MMOs aren't really evolving IMHO, their monetization is evolving certainly, but not their game play.  Their game play is a lot like a school lunch program, with a very limited menu selection.

TLDR:
Eve if you like pvp and are looking for something to really invest a solid chunk of time in, effort/reward ratio is very satisfying.

EQ2 if you're wanting a pve centric game, but shell out the bucks for the xpacs.

DDO/LotR if you're into very casual game play similiar to GW2's demands on your time.

[lalangamena]

GW2 is the best MMO at this time.

next one is DDO, a very undervalued game, if not GW2 i would still play it.

[Lunacy Polish]

Best for who?  For me it is GW2.  But I have very particular MMO criteria.

[Ritualist]

I still stand by my view that GW2 is the best MMO on the market.
I don't think that MMOs are very good games though ...

[Silent The Legend]

If you like traditional MMOs like WoW, GW2 is the best choice for you.

If you like using your brain(aka hard game), none, actually.

[Juanele]

The best mmo is whatever one I'm currently playing

[Nightblaze1]

Easily GW2! =) Best MMO I have ever played.

[Leyana]

How are you defining "best"?

Most successful? WoW

Most fun? Currently, Elsword Online for me.

Most committed playerbase? I'd say Eve

Most interesting? Currently a tossup between Start Citizen and Project: Gorgon

[Katsumi Kei]

Star Citizen is not out yet, and also is not going to be "MMO" . Actually they don't know what it will be most probably xD.
The golden age of MMOs is going to end very soon. The massive explosion of new mmos from the past 5-6 years will end within an year in my opinion. The best one will be decided soon.

Still, EVE or GW2 so far.

[Leyana]

Neither is Project: Gorgon and both interest me very much right now. I know it's not going to be an MMO at first, but I understand that eventually the plan is to turn it into "EVE, without the *s"?