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#91 Calwalker

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 01:19 AM

Tsym to JQ please...

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 01:43 AM

Why cannot people be okay with Sea of Sorrows guilds wanting to transfer to Blackgate to make the most stacked server in all Tiers ? Every guild has the right to play as they want, including these sos guilds. Some people have tough real lives and the only winning they do is in video games. If you sitting on your high horse think that everyone will act according to "your morals" then you are wrong my friend. You cannot control behaviour of other individuals, so stop being all worked up by this issue.

Even in real life, countries which are military superpowers continue to invest heavily in more weapons and manpower. Have you seen a military superpower stop increasing its strength so that others can catch up? Never happens.

My only request to those who are transferring is that don't suddenly start saying "oh the commu ity was toxic so I left". That is the biggest insult you can use on people who fought by your side everyday. Team Legacy did use this "toxic community" excuse when they left Eredon Terrace and their credibility went into gutter. Do you want to end up like them?

Play the game for fun. Make it not a case of life and death, rather make it something you and your friends have fun in.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:03 AM

You guys are totally messing this up.  If SoS would have departed to TC and FA and a pinch of JQ left for TC and FA - with a little sprinkle to SoR, we'd have 6 quality servers rotating.  Now we'll have 2 super servers in T1 (BG and JQ) and probably SoR and Kaineng trading places getting slammed in T1 and then slamming T2.  Oh what fun times we'll have ahead.  How many times do we have to do this?

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:56 AM

If WM came to SoR I think we could give JQ a run for their money, might even beat them if some euro's came along as well (cough cough VOTF).  I even think with the arrival of BG to tier one this would probably be one of the more epic match ups in guild wars 2 world vs world to date so far.

If anyone from WM is reading this thread you should really consider moving to SoR. You would have epic fights throughout the asian timezone fighting FOO and such from JQ, and SOR has a very strong NA presence so we could hold onto the upgraded keeps and such from you. My wish is for tier 1 to be an awesome 3 way battle that will be close till the end. Lets do this people!

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:22 AM

View PostBakedg00ds, on 26 February 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

You guys are totally messing this up.  If SoS would have departed to TC and FA and a pinch of JQ left for TC and FA - with a little sprinkle to SoR, we'd have 6 quality servers rotating.  Now we'll have 2 super servers in T1 (BG and JQ) and probably SoR and Kaineng trading places getting slammed in T1 and then slamming T2.  Oh what fun times we'll have ahead.  How many times do we have to do this?

Many of the super competitive players do want real, fairly balanced competition, but those players are a minority. Most players in any video game want to team stack for ez wins, and they also expect instant success with everything. All of this pointless drama and server wars is an extension of those two basic facts.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:51 AM

I think this Glicko 2 system is major part of the problem.

   The thing is....now that SoS has lost the guilds they lost....they are kind of stuck in the higher tiers due to their success prior.

   Glicko 2 sucks for adjusting to changing dynamics.

  I hope someday they adopt the "winner moves up, loser moves down" system...more variety in opponents, it makes second place more meaningful, and would more quickly adapt to changing server strength.

   I think that would be better for everyone.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:44 AM

View PostVihar, on 26 February 2013 - 03:51 AM, said:

I think this Glicko 2 system is major part of the problem.

   The thing is....now that SoS has lost the guilds they lost....they are kind of stuck in the higher tiers due to their success prior.

   Glicko 2 sucks for adjusting to changing dynamics.

  I hope someday they adopt the "winner moves up, loser moves down" system...more variety in opponents, it makes second place more meaningful, and would more quickly adapt to changing server strength.

   I think that would be better for everyone.

I was once a proponent of this but tbh it would be total crap for the people in tier to. I don't think anyone in tier two wants to go to tier one aside from BG who have all the SoS transfers. Tier two competitive, tier one is stacked to the point where it's simply not.

View PostSmokeyNYY, on 26 February 2013 - 02:56 AM, said:

If WM came to SoR I think we could give JQ a run for their money, might even beat them if some euro's came along as well (cough cough VOTF).  I even think with the arrival of BG to tier one this would probably be one of the more epic match ups in guild wars 2 world vs world to date so far.

If anyone from WM is reading this thread you should really consider moving to SoR. You would have epic fights throughout the asian timezone fighting FOO and such from JQ, and SOR has a very strong NA presence so we could hold onto the upgraded keeps and such from you. My wish is for tier 1 to be an awesome 3 way battle that will be close till the end. Lets do this people!

War Machine would have to be insane to leave Kaineng. All the accomplishments of Kaineng were built on the back of WM. They took the server from where it was to where it is (with help that arrived because WM was there building it). The last few weeks of tier two have been far more competitive than tier one can be with one (possibly two, we haven't seen what BG + SoS is) server that is outmans the others three to one most of the time. Kaineng and WM are in the sweet spot of WvW, they are in a tier with less drama, no bandwagon guilds that will abandon as soon as the wind knocks them out of tier one (they aren't in tier one) and a group of players who put a higher priority on competitive WvW than they do on transferring to the top tier servers. They don't get crushed by sheer numbers every corner they turn (maybe against WM during Oceanic/SEA time this is the case) and they don't have to deal with the giant egos of all the top tier guilds. I suspect the game is more of an actual game in tier two rather than a pissing contest of guilds who believe winning the coverage/numbers game of tier one defines the quality of their guild and the competition they face.

Tier one players need to pull their heads out of their asses and realise just because they are in the top three ranked servers does not mean they are more accomplished or skilled or competitive or serious or elite than those in the lower tiers. Tier one, more than any other tier, suffers from the biggest flaw of WvW - coverage beats everything. When people are losing (and sometimes when they are winning) they are happy to admit that coverage is what it takes to win. For some reason those same people can't accept that coverage is what makes tier one what it is, not skill or the quality of your allies or opponents. When they decide to transfer to avoid tier two or lower, they still seem to think their guild is "too good" for tier two or lower. I was in the guild meetings, I've talked to the commanders, officers and gms of transferring guilds. I've read this forum over the weeks. People are delluded into thinking tier one is a special place where elite skill and competition takes place. Guilds like WM are far better off in tier two, as are most of us who care more about competitive and somewhat balanced WvW.

Edited by Shiren, 26 February 2013 - 04:46 AM.


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:50 AM

View Postchuckles79, on 25 February 2013 - 11:17 PM, said:

I think WM should go to SoS myself.  With Jerico gone, it's not entirely beyond the realm of possibility.  Then some SoR NA folks can always come over and join us if they want, and we'd actually have competitive 3-way matches again.



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#99 chuckles79

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 05:53 AM

View PostJ E R I C O, on 26 February 2013 - 04:50 AM, said:


watch this buddy i need more views
I was wondering how long it would take you both to square off.  Have fun! sometimes a grudge match is a good thing.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 06:04 AM

View PostJ E R I C O, on 26 February 2013 - 04:50 AM, said:

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 06:05 AM

View PostShiren, on 26 February 2013 - 04:44 AM, said:

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I think WM doesn't owe anything to Kaineng, since they took them from last to 5th, and a credible contender for 3rd.  It's not like Kaineng joined a strong WvW community and led a coalition.
I personally think that it was a bit of a d---- move to the lower tier servers they tore through on the way up, bringing one of the best NA nighttime guilds on to PvDoor up the ranks.

Even now, the BG guys complain that Kaineng simply isn't there during NA primetime, and they simply use their numbers to PvDoor TC and BG ( to a lesser degree).

With all due respect to the other communities that followed them to Kaineng; I think WM's presence on Kaineng serves no purpose, not for them or anyone.  There is no force in T2 that can give them a run for their money in their timeslot.  BG can minimize their damages, and when we eventually drop down, they won't be able to run rampant; but they'll still be PvDoor'ing when our numbers are fewer.

How does that benefit anyone?

They can play however they want, but their abilities are wasted there.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 06:11 AM

View PostCalwalker, on 26 February 2013 - 01:19 AM, said:

Tsym to JQ please...

I wasn't going to go there until I saw this post, but I know TSYM must be getting lonely these days with all their friends leaving them behind, it's sad really.  I suspect it is because TSYM may not have very deep pockets.  With that in mind, I think it only right that all of us here on these forums pool our resources and help Tsym transfer to BG so they can be reunited with those they have lost.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 06:33 AM

View PostSFShinigami, on 26 February 2013 - 06:11 AM, said:

I wasn't going to go there until I saw this post, but I know TSYM must be getting lonely these days with all their friends leaving them behind, it's sad really.  I suspect it is because TSYM may not have very deep pockets.  With that in mind, I think it only right that all of us here on these forums pool our resources and help Tsym transfer to BG so they can be reunited with those they have lost.

Tsym gets a bad rap more than they deserve. Sure they were a huge (if not the biggest) reason SoS made it to tier 1 but Tsym never seemed like elitists. They had their heads down and tried to do the best for their server. They never jumped shiped like some other guilds.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 07:04 AM

View PostSFShinigami, on 26 February 2013 - 06:11 AM, said:


I wasn't going to go there until I saw this post, but I know TSYM must be getting lonely these days with all their friends leaving them behind, it's sad really.  I suspect it is because TSYM may not have very deep pockets.  With that in mind, I think it only right that all of us here on these forums pool our resources and help Tsym transfer to BG so they can be reunited with those they have lost.

Maybe not all guilds want jump ship when their server is about to drop a tier. *hint-funkity-hint*

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 07:11 AM

View PostSulking, on 26 February 2013 - 07:04 AM, said:

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Maybe not all guilds want jump ship when their server is about to drop a tier. *hint-funkity-hint*

There is a lot of respect for Tsym sticking with their server through thick and thin. How far will they stick is yet to be seen but im hoping a while.

People that hate On SF or PRX are haters just hating. They do their thing and swing their nuts at the rest.

It's cool for WM to transfer but no one else?

What about TW?

Props to those that stay and the same to those that leave. Keep the game fun and change is good.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 07:27 AM

View PostSFShinigami, on 26 February 2013 - 06:11 AM, said:

I wasn't going to go there until I saw this post, but I know TSYM must be getting lonely these days with all their friends leaving them behind, it's sad really.  I suspect it is because TSYM may not have very deep pockets.  With that in mind, I think it only right that all of us here on these forums pool our resources and help Tsym transfer to BG so they can be reunited with those they have lost.

Having deep pockets or not is not even an issue anymore. Blackgate community has raised thousands of gold during the month long fundraising farming they did to get more WvWvW oriented guilds. ND, MERC, FoE got around 2000 gold each to help them transfer to Blackgate. When the whole community works together on a server, massive feats can be achieved.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 07:33 AM

View PostMikeSr, on 26 February 2013 - 07:27 AM, said:

Having deep pockets or not is not even an issue anymore. Blackgate community has raised thousands of gold during the month long fundraising farming they did to get more WvWvW oriented guilds. ND, MERC, FoE got around 2000 gold each to help them transfer to Blackgate. When the whole community works together on a server, massive feats can be achieved.

I bet those guys can't wait to be together with TSYM again!

Edited by SFShinigami, 26 February 2013 - 07:35 AM.


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:07 AM

View Postkargun01, on 26 February 2013 - 07:11 AM, said:

There is a lot of respect for Tsym sticking with their server through thick and thin. How far will they stick is yet to be seen but im hoping a while.

People that hate On SF or PRX are haters just hating. They do their thing and swing their nuts at the rest.

It's cool for WM to transfer but no one else?

What about TW?

Props to those that stay and the same to those that leave. Keep the game fun and change is good.

Someone gets it.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:12 AM

Do away with Glicko. Give us a regularly scheduled 4 month season determined by record strength just like every other major sport in the world, does. This would stablize the server transfers and give servers time to perfect thier communication, coordination and consistency. In the end, I don't think money transfers are enough of a deterrent. Also would be nice if th score gets too lop sided, to implement stronger buffs for the losing server. The march patch needs to be ground breaking enough to keep even winning servers interested.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:14 AM

View Postkargun01, on 26 February 2013 - 06:33 AM, said:

Tsym gets a bad rap more than they deserve. Sure they were a huge (if not the biggest) reason SoS made it to tier 1 but Tsym never seemed like elitists. They had their heads down and tried to do the best for their server. They never jumped shiped like some other guilds.

You know, I've been giving a lot of shit to PRX because of Mike lately, but if you don't believe PRX had the biggest impact in NA when they moved to SoS then you're either new to WvW or never paid attention.  This was right after TA's breakup and PRX at this time was still in prime form with enough members to cover a BG and a half easily.  Not to mention they got some damned good recruits from the other TA guilds as not all of them wanted to quit GW2 at that time.

It's also too bad that everyone ignores all the other DB guilds that moved over (three in total?) and all the other recruits SoS picked up week-by-week as they climbed the ladder.  If PRX wasn't on SoS, SoS never gets past SoR (wasn't it PRX that gave the server the ultimatum to fight and not screw around with candy corn?) and probably never makes it to T1, the BG/Former TA guilds never transfer over, ect.  Also forgot to mention all the guilds that temp transferred to SoR to *block SoS so BG could climb the ladder faster - all of which quickly left SoR and went back to BG after PRX asked them to (and who only left because of the respect they had for PRX being a former TA guild).

TYSM never jumped ship?  Tell that to the DB server.  You know, the server TYSM started on, then left for SoS, during a match that had SoS against DB even when TYSM couldn't transfer all their members over?  I guess not many people remember the DB players bitching at TYSM because not only did they just up and leave, but that all of the members who couldn't make the jump over right away were caught screwing around in WvW to "mess with their guildies on SoS".  Do I have to dig up that thread?

Now, I don't know much about the current drama involving this guild, but when you have several guilds leaving your server who cite a specific guild as their reason - well, that's a big red flag.  The only other time this has happened in GW2 thus far that I know of was during the TL/AA and RUIN split.  It also doesn't help calling your fellow guilds pussies on a public chat box after they ask you to come in TS to discuss the matter.  I can see why the guilds on SoS were happy to stay.  Head down indeed.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:18 PM

Vanu4, I fully agree with the PRX part of your post, disagree with the TSym part though.

There's actually no drama on SoS, there is nothing but utmost mutual respect between the guilds that are leaving and those that are staying.

There was some frustration from Agg and FoE towards TSym when they left, but this wasn't the reason that they left the server. MERC, ND and VoTF leaving also had nothing to do with TSym. That famous chatbox screenshot of Coron losing his temper was a reaction to further rumours that had been stirred moments before the reset.

When you have someone like Clementine from PRX having access to sensitive SoS information( that 99% of people don't know about), she sends it to the wrong hands to stir up drama. One of the hidden toxic elements of JQ that people allude to.

Coron's a great guy. He runs a tight, highly disciplined, large WvW guild. He's very clever strategically, his guild has a lot of fun in WvW, he's not afraid of theory crafting and TSym play very co-operatively with the people around them. The scapegoating of TSym in the GW2 public has been manufactured and blown out of proportion (thanks Clem). These lies circulating may have been one of the causes for Coron's irrational outburst.

I've got nothing but respect for Tsym, I love those guys!

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 01:22 PM

View Postkargun01, on 26 February 2013 - 07:11 AM, said:

There is a lot of respect for Tsym sticking with their server through thick and thin. How far will they stick is yet to be seen but im hoping a while.

People that hate On SF or PRX are haters just hating. They do their thing and swing their nuts at the rest.

It's cool for WM to transfer but no one else?

What about TW?

Props to those that stay and the same to those that leave. Keep the game fun and change is good.

As stated, there ain't no bad blood between the guilds who are staying and leavining. But if someone from a guild who has transferred in the past wants to make  quips about the whole debacle then they better learn to take a hit and not get all cereal when push comes to shove.

Edited by Leyana, 26 February 2013 - 10:26 PM.


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:19 PM

View PostVanu4life, on 26 February 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:


You know, I've been giving a lot of shit to PRX because of Mike lately, but if you don't believe PRX had the biggest impact in NA when they moved to SoS then you're either new to WvW or never paid attention.  This was right after TA's breakup and PRX at this time was still in prime form with enough members to cover a BG and a half easily.  Not to mention they got some damned good recruits from the other TA guilds as not all of them wanted to quit GW2 at that time.

It's also too bad that everyone ignores all the other DB guilds that moved over (three in total?) and all the other recruits SoS picked up week-by-week as they climbed the ladder.  If PRX wasn't on SoS, SoS never gets past SoR (wasn't it PRX that gave the server the ultimatum to fight and not screw around with candy corn?) and probably never makes it to T1, the BG/Former TA guilds never transfer over, ect.  Also forgot to mention all the guilds that temp transferred to SoR to *block SoS so BG could climb the ladder faster - all of which quickly left SoR and went back to BG after PRX asked them to (and who only left because of the respect they had for PRX being a former TA guild).
Oh hey Vanu. Glad someone else remembers just how big PRX's impact was on SoS. Seems the SoS folks don't seem to think they had as big an impact as everyone else knew they did.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:34 PM

Dddrama! I'll leave 'the professionals' topic alone.  Their members that post here embarrass them enough.

For the guilds staying, you have balls.   Seems pretty obvious which guilds only play for the scoreboard.  But, in the end it's about having fun in this game.  

Tsym seemed like elitist as well until I spent time in their team speak.  Cool if they stay as they are fun to watch and follow.  They have already stated why they moved to SoS (chance for more competition) and the fact they might remain (assuming some rumors are false) just proves that to me.  If they got a bad rap because they wanted to have fun outside of WvW then wow, that is pretty sad.  

Merc seemed to me like they would never leave the server so this was more of a shock to many that remain. Difficult for me to throw out my respect for them.  For now, I wish them luck.

For all you SoS pve role players, enjoy those dungeons.  That is all this server has to offer now.  




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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:50 PM

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:06 PM

View PostCalmLittleBuddy, on 26 February 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

You don't run from toxicity. Toxicity is either inside you, or it is not. Toxic comes from within, not from without.

If I am feeling overly toxic I just take a nice hot bath and soak, or I run the hot-tub.  I feel better in 15 minutes.  Don't forget the fluids, no not alcohol.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:51 PM

View PostSFShinigami, on 26 February 2013 - 06:11 AM, said:

I wasn't going to go there until I saw this post, but I know TSYM must be getting lonely these days with all their friends leaving them behind, it's sad really.  I suspect it is because TSYM may not have very deep pockets.  With that in mind, I think it only right that all of us here on these forums pool our resources and help Tsym transfer to BG so they can be reunited with those they have lost.

I was a pretty big supporter of this last night.  I believe we were going to start a phone campaign with one of those monitors on how many donations have come in.  It's like reuniting family on Murray Povich.  I have 2g I'm willing to donate!

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:51 PM

T2 cannot come soon enough.  Could be a quick stop on the way to T3 .... and beyond.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 05:16 PM

I think between TSYM and the other hardcore people staying, that we won't have to worry about going to T3 unless we are relentlessly 2v1'd in a coordinated manner.

A lot of the reason this last batch of folks are leaving is that they feel we would not get quality combat in T2.  At least now we'll have to work hard for victory, and that's not a problem for us.




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