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[Gli]

Jeez, what to think of this...

Looking at today's options, I found myself picking 4 of the ones we got presented with for the last 4 weeks, and wondering what the hell I was going to pick for a fifth. What a disaster this turned out to be.

[Kitanul]

Completed all of them, 8 or 9 in all ? you get normal reward for 5. but completing all of them give you NOTHING
Is that a bug? if it dosnt give anything at all, at least i know it for now.

[Redhawk2007]

It's a step in the right direction but they need to give more choices. With the original dailies I just had to go to WvW and do what comes naturally and eventually I would get a notice that I finished the daily. I hate the new new interface that doesn't go away when you finish the dailies. I don't need a UI taking up precious screen space to tell me what dailies I need to do and I sure as hell don't need a constant reminder that I've done them. Didn't they hear people telling them they wanted that annoying UI out of the way?

As it is I can do 3 or 4 of these without any special effort but the rest is going to require me going to a low level zone or otherwise going out of my way to get it done. To do the first series before the reset I had to go to Plains of Ashford and Frostgorge and scrounge around for sidekicked events, which is time consuming.

The latter is bound to ruin the game for low-level players as what I experienced doing sidekicked events in Ashford was a mad rush by level 80s to get kills and finish the events as quick as possible while totally shutting out the lowbies in our midst.

[Uhhsam]

Kitanul, on 27 February 2013 - 04:14 AM, said:

Completed all of them, 8 or 9 in all ? you get normal reward for 5. but completing all of them give you NOTHING
Is that a bug? if it dosnt give anything at all, at least i know it for now.

You should have earned achievement points for them.  What else did you expect?

[Ritualist]

I am guessing that logging in yesterday after the patch gave a new set of achievements for the daily?

Swoopeh, on 26 February 2013 - 10:24 PM, said:

- 40 kills in Ascalon
- 40 kills in Shiverpeak
- 20 Gatherings
- 5 sidekicked events
- 3 skillpoints
- 10 salvs
- 1 jumping puzzle
- 1 fractal
- 10 enemy mist invaders killed

Because today, we have different ones.

Regarding the lists themselves:
1. The list above is basically impossible for me to complete. For instance, on Monday, I played enough to gain 10 levels on my new thief. I played him in Caledon, which meant no kills-achievement, I didn't do any salvages, I didn't do any JPs, I didn't do any Fraks, I didn't do any WvW.
This means I spent a whole day playing and I did gathering, skillpoints and events IF sidekicked events means doing non-80 events. If, on the other hand, it means doing events down-levelled, then I didn't do a single event.

2. As for today's list - I have a character parked in Metrica so I can do heals, he's close to the water so I can also do underwater (although I hate underwater kills because of kill stealing), the underwater and the road to the water will allow me to get the variety kills once I switch to a different character (which means I'll get the variety by playing two characters), I can do gatherings. I guess group event could be done by doing the Queensdale troll 2 times.
I don't do PS (needing to start it in specific order, in specific locations WITHOUT free waypoint travel is just too restrictive for me to bother with), I don't do Kegs (why would I be doing that?), I don't do Mystic Forge (the only time I use it is when I am deleting characters and I need to change karma into gold), I don't do WvW (make it UAX or I'll continue visiting the place for storage only)


If this goes on (especially if we see more lists like the one posted above), it will either mean I'll need to give up on dailies or change the way I play the game. AGAIN.

[Swoopeh]

@Ritualist: yeah, new set every day it looks like.

I wasnt able to finish yesterday's daily though will probably get better at completing them efficiently.

I thought sidekicked events meant you had to party with at least 1 low level player and help them do events (hence the title "Event Mentor") but if it's just completing low level events then thats actually pretty good.

With regards to the 40 kills in 1 area, those can be a problem if everyone starts doing them - that zone gets overpopulated and it might get harder to find 40 mobs to kill. But then we do get overflows so that should make it easier again.

1 fractal - I assume thats a single fractal and not a set of 3?

Mist invaders - this is PvP isn't it? Why is this part of the PvE daily?

[AsgarZigel]

If there are a lot more people in an area, it's actually easier to get the kills because events spawn more often and more mobs spawn in the events.

[Lordkrall]

Swoopeh, on 27 February 2013 - 08:29 AM, said:

Mist invaders - this is PvP isn't it? Why is this part of the PvE daily?

It is WvW.
WvW has been part of the PvE (monthly) achievements since release ^^

[Swoopeh]

Lordkrall, on 27 February 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

It is WvW.
WvW has been part of the PvE (monthly) achievements since release ^^

WvW is still players vs players which I don't do because it makes me rage

I was extremely happy that the monthly in february didn't include any WvW - it's the first one I've actually completed. I'm guessing WvW will be back again in March, boohiss.

[Lordkrall]

Swoopeh, on 27 February 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

WvW is still players vs players which I don't do because it makes me rage

I was extremely happy that the monthly in february didn't include any WvW - it's the first one I've actually completed. I'm guessing WvW will be back again in March, boohiss.

WvW is not tagged as PvP by the game though. Which would be correct since it is far more than just PvP.
Have you even tried WvW? Or do you simply assume it sucks because you don't like PvP?

[Swoopeh]

Lordkrall, on 27 February 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:

WvW is not tagged as PvP by the game though. Which would be correct since it is far more than just PvP.
Have you even tried WvW? Or do you simply assume it sucks because you don't like PvP?

I've tried it, got zerged by a group of people a few times, got annoyed, left. WvW might have PvE elements but in the end it's still players against players, so imho should be tagged as PvP.

[Gli]

Lordkrall, on 27 February 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:

WvW is not tagged as PvP by the game though. Which would be correct since it is far more than just PvP.

The daily requirement is about making invader kills though, and regardless of what you call WvW in general, making invader kills is PvP.

[Resolve]

Seems alright so far. They should give you extra laurels if you complete all of them for that day though.

[Serris]

Jump_N_Move, on 27 February 2013 - 12:23 AM, said:

Cool I can select them, but now they change everyday as well. And I can only select 5 maximum. Why is there even a limit????

there isn't a limit. you need to do 5 to receive your chest. you can continue doing the others after that.

[Lordkrall]

Resolve, on 27 February 2013 - 10:48 AM, said:

Seems alright so far. They should give you extra laurels if you complete all of them for that day though.

Which would more or less "force" people into doing all of them and make the new system completely pointless.

[Resolve]

Lordkrall, on 27 February 2013 - 11:21 AM, said:

Which would more or less "force" people into doing all of them and make the new system completely pointless.

You just like arguing, don't you?

[Sevens]

Resolve, on 27 February 2013 - 11:45 AM, said:

You just like arguing, don't you?

But he is 100% correct...the whole point of the new system is options, if you make it so you get better rewards for doing them all then you remove the option of which you wish to do

[beadnbutter32]

I think everyone gets a different set of options, as the options I got were totally different from what was previously posted.
So, until it runs for a few days, and we get to see all of the options over time, it is hard to say. For example one of my options was to complete a new guild mission, which I am told can be rather long and tedious.

[Resolve]

Sevens, on 27 February 2013 - 12:05 PM, said:

But he is 100% correct...the whole point of the new system is options, if you make it so you get better rewards for doing them all then you remove the option of which you wish to do

It "forces" you in the exact same way as the daily does in the first place. And people on here have been arguing non stop about how you don't need to do them and no ones forcing you to do them.

So which is it?

[Ritualist]

Resolve, on 27 February 2013 - 10:48 AM, said:

Seems alright so far. They should give you extra laurels if you complete all of them for that day though.

If any changes would be made, I'd prefer to see A.Net change the way laurels are awarded: give players a laurel for each achievement and then raise the number of laurels required for rewards (max 9 laurels per day - or even better: add an additional achievement or reward an extra laurel if you do them all and make it  max 10 per day). That way players can still advance their laurel grind, even by doing one achievement without this silly "all-or-nothing"-type grind.
Plus it would be very much in line with their GW1 ZCoin grind.

[Lunacy Polish]

To be honest they should have taken all the options available as of the last update except maybe Laurel Vendor visits and made all those choices as they were available every day then had two or three quirky/specific ones.

I did like how personal story was an option.  The story itself still sucks but it feels more rewarding to do it if I get daily credit.

Overall though it's a step back.  More choices is good but having such nuance to most of them means it I'll take longer at least until I learn to finesse it.  For example you can do underwater kills and kills in a certain zone simultaneously.

I don't like how it is not strictly WvW friendly.  Theoretically you can still do it out there but many things like gathering salvaging and 13 types of enemies are not things you will get in the course of most WvW if you are a responsible player.

[zwei2stein]

I do not like items you can "save for later" as a daily:

"Hmm, I would like to do story missing now, but lets save it for tommorow, it will be daily then"
"There is skill challenge, lets not do it now, it will be usefull next monday"

I am especially worried about these two as you can easily run out of them.

"Lets put off theese salvages till thursday"
"I need to stop leveling crafting now, got 10 crafts and it would be most efficient to continue later this week"

Theese provide incentive to save up for later, but luckily its effect is very small. Big Monthly salvage made me save stackable salvagibles thou.

[Pyrea]

I think the new dailies are pretty good, although would be nice to be able to choose your own reward and add an ecto or two on top

[infisio]

zwei2stein, on 27 February 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:

I do not like items you can "save for later" as a daily:

"Hmm, I would like to do story missing now, but lets save it for tommorow, it will be daily then"
"There is skill challenge, lets not do it now, it will be usefull next monday"

I am especially worried about these two as you can easily run out of them.

"Lets put off theese salvages till thursday"
"I need to stop leveling crafting now, got 10 crafts and it would be most efficient to continue later this week"

Theese provide incentive to save up for later, but luckily its effect is very small. Big Monthly salvage made me save stackable salvagibles thou.

Maybe I don't understand - how can you "save it for tomorrow"?  The daily options are different everyday.  If you don't want to salvage one day, it might not be there tomorrow.  It may be there in a couple of days, but not necessarily tomorrow.

[two maces]

Ahh, I have a fresh 80 just for the Bloodstone Shard, now I get to enjoy collecting skill points!

If you really need 3 Skill points on a 100% explored character just do COF 3 times before you go out and kill stuff.

[Tyrantscreed]

I don't mind. I can still finish dailies in WvW

[zwei2stein]

infisio, on 27 February 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

Maybe I don't understand - how can you "save it for tomorrow"?  The daily options are different everyday.  If you don't want to salvage one day, it might not be there tomorrow.  It may be there in a couple of days, but not necessarily tomorrow.

Generic Example, it might have been apparent from other items.

Basic point is that something that does not happen in average game session it is better of put until it is part of daily, paradoxically making dalilies make players less interested in doing it in non-daily days even if they wanted to do it.

[Skyward]

Todays missions:

-Daily kill variety (check)
-Daily aquatic slayer (check)
-Daily gatherer (check)
-Personal story completer - I don't play the storyline...
-Daily healer (check)
-Mystic forgesmith - Dont have the items for mystic forge
-Keg brawl stealer - I don't play the mini games
-Group event completion - Searched for an hour, could not find one active with enough players around
-Daily myst invasion - no clue where this happens

The list does not favor the causual player. We need a larger list or at least 5 choices out of the old daily event list...

[Bloodtau]

Looks like everyone gets randomly generated ones.
Mine right now are the usual gatherer, aquatic slayer, kill variety and healer, with a wvw, mystic forge and personal story ones thrown in

[Johny Bravo]

Skyward, on 27 February 2013 - 08:57 PM, said:

-Mystic forgesmith - Dont have the items for mystic forge

Unless they changed it you can put blue items into the forge, not sure about whites but wouldn't be surprised.   These items can also be at any level so they don't have to be level 80.  If you did the kills I can't imagine you don't have 10 blue items to stick into the forge.  For group events you have to focus on the more popular ones if you want to guarantee participation.  Most of them can be found at:
http://guildwarstemp...=111&langKey=en (change your server if you are not FA obviously)