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[RaoulDukeHST]

always have at least one stun breaker,one condi removal,and one stability skill.The rest is just dodging.

[matsif]

http://www.guildwars...c/80973-new-ac/

this thread is redundant.

it's also not much harder once you learn the mechanics.  bosses have less HP overall and die faster.  That thread I started yesterday covers all the new mechanics.

[Ernest1337]

MASSIVE SPOILER ALERT! STOP READING IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW HOW TO TAKE DOWN THE FINAL BOSSES.

to add to Rumstein,

Path 1, my team didn't notice the fire, so it was basically a DPS stability race for us.

path 2 requires massive coordination, split the team to 2-2-1, 1 will hit the boss, the pairs will have to coordinate to "lift and pull" the ooze to power the traps, when the boss touches a fully powered trap, ya gotta dps it down asap. Again, fun =P

Path 3, Grast will cast a massive bubble, like Guardian shield no.5. This is the most interesting one, you gotta heal him when he cast the bubble, grant him protection off bubble, and regen all the time, or not he dies. If he dies, you all die cause the rock drops now hit you for half your life. MASSIVE FUN! Was so bloody excited for this one. Told my ele to run a staff for water fields, 2 warriors ran bow to combo blast the water field, engineer gave protection and regen, overall a great fight! if we had a guardian it would have been perfect.

Troll, now he does aoe fear and one of my teammates mentioned about him jumping double, didn't quite noticed it.

edit: I think this is opening more diverse builds, such as combos, PROPER control coordination, more teamwork and thinking. Honestly enjoyed AC a lot.

Edited by Ernest1337, 28 February 2013 - 03:00 AM.

[Elysen]

Coren, on 27 February 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

I'm all for harder dungeons, but it sounds like it's overwhelming for non level 80s.

Think level.35s can handle it guys?

Honestly, it was probably too difficult for a team of none-80s before, unless it's an organised group doing it on their alts. I've always thought it was one of the tougher dungeons even though it's the first, purely because of the knockdowns on Gravelings, and how unforgiving Kholer & Rumblus are. I've actually wiped with a PUG team of 80s on the burrow parts in P1 & P3 because it's actually a pretty tough DPS check with all things considered. I'd have been impressed if I saw a group of level 35s do this without buying full rares.

I haven't done it post-patch yet, nor do I have a reason to, but will 35s be able to do it from the sound of things? No.

[Ernest1337]

Xephenon, on 28 February 2013 - 04:10 AM, said:

Honestly, it was probably too difficult for a team of none-80s before, unless it's an organised group doing it on their alts. I've always thought it was one of the tougher dungeons even though it's the first, purely because of the knockdowns on Gravelings, and how unforgiving Kholer & Rumblus are. I've actually wiped with a PUG team of 80s on the burrow parts in P1 & P3 because it's actually a pretty tough DPS check with all things considered. I'd have been impressed if I saw a group of level 35s do this without buying full rares.

I haven't done it post-patch yet, nor do I have a reason to, but will 35s be able to do it from the sound of things? No.

I suspected the new scaling was applied in AC.

[GuanglaiKangyi]

Uh, AC is easy now.  There's nothing stopping you from clearing it with 35s beyond not knowing where to stand.  Grast can pretty much tank Rumblus solo, so you need to do is hit the boss with ranged stuff while standing behind Grast and not move out of his bubble.

The only thing that might be hard for a group of 35s is the burrows in AC3, now that they nerfed the burrows in AC1 too.

[matsif]

GuanglaiKangyi, on 28 February 2013 - 04:24 AM, said:

Uh, AC is easy now.  There's nothing stopping you from clearing it with 35s beyond not knowing where to stand.  Grast can pretty much tank Rumblus solo, so you need to do is hit the boss with ranged stuff while standing behind Grast and not move out of his bubble.

The only thing that might be hard for a group of 35s is the burrows in AC3, now that they nerfed the burrows in AC1 too.

agreed.  it's so much easier now once the mechanics are down.  we ran all 3 paths again tonight and were done within 40 minutes.  Grast's bubble makes rumbulus a joke, Hodgins' fire fields makes howling king a joke, and with any semblance of teamwork ghost eater is dead within 2 cycles of traps.  

Kholer is easier, the mobs he spawns die fast.  The troll is pain with the new stuns and KDs, but kholer and his adds can take out most of his HP while you complete other parts of the dungeon, then return and take them both out.

35s should have no problem with anything but the burrows in path 3, which were a pain for 35s anyways before.

[hatchet]

Rumstein, on 27 February 2013 - 05:08 PM, said:

Path 1: Howling will fire a laser and a scream, damage is different for both, laser has ridiculous range, and both cause confusion.

Dat laser !

[Gilles VI]

It got a little bit harder, still not as hard as I would want the "hardest content in the game" to be, but it definitely a step in the right direction.

Kholer was actually a fun fight now, and now just stand toe-to-toe till he's dead.

[The_Blades]

I enjoyed the changes. Only got to do path 2 and the ghost busters thinguie is a great way to make the boss fight (which was boring) much more fun.

Kholer seems to be more enjoyable to, since his hp droped a bit, havent noticed any damage reduction tbh, the adds are fun to add a bit of confusion in the screen (kholer by himself is no fun).

I liked the revamp of the spider, we actually wiped the first time there, since we were totally unprepared for the changes, but lower hp and harder hitting spawns are a good change.

Edited by The_Blades, 28 February 2013 - 08:07 PM.

[Gilles VI]

rukia, on 27 February 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

Stay ranged and kite, it's the name of the game. I'm on shortbow 99% of the time, except for bosses.

Lol that's pretty useless, and low damage.
Go D/D and just pawn mobs with damage & bleed, much better.

[Khalija]

matsif, on 28 February 2013 - 01:21 AM, said:

http://www.guildwars...c/80973-new-ac/

this thread is redundant.

it's also not much harder once you learn the mechanics.  bosses have less HP overall and die faster.  That thread I started yesterday covers all the new mechanics.

I'm going to merge the threads in a bit, but please use TA for PvE-type threads. VA is for profession discussion only.

Edit: Threads merged.

[Coren]

First time I ran AC since patch. Path2 is definitely more.fun to run at the end. Couldn't help myself typing HE MAN when someone said *who you gonna call?*

Hurts like a *ens if you get hit by his splash attack but makes a more interesting fight.

[Sandpit]

Seems to be more of ANet's policy of locking casuals out of the game play. Same erroneous responses to speed players as in GW1. Forcing more and more specialisations in an ever failing attempt to slow the game down; all it achieves is to dictate that the only way these places can be played is the one optimal speed way.

[Lordkrall]

Sandpit, on 01 March 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:

Seems to be more of ANet's policy of locking casuals out of the game play. Same erroneous responses to speed players as in GW1. Forcing more and more specialisations in an ever failing attempt to slow the game down; all it achieves is to dictate that the only way these places can be played is the one optimal speed way.

Locking them out?
Nope, simply trying to make the explorable dungeons what they were supposed to be at start. Hard content requiring a focus group that can communicate.

[Sandpit]

Lordkrall, on 01 March 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

Locking them out?
Nope, simply trying to make the explorable dungeons what they were supposed to be at start. Hard content requiring a focus group that can communicate.

AKA, lock out the casuals. Glad you agree

[Lordkrall]

Sandpit, on 01 March 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

AKA, lock out the casuals. Glad you agree

Not really. Fixing issues.
They were not really meant for "casuals" (and I assume you mean people that play 1 hour per day or something like that. People other than that can still complete it quite easily).

The fact that they were even completable without any kind of communications at release was a mistake, and not what they were meant to be.

[El Duderino]

Lordkrall, on 01 March 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

They were not really meant for "casuals"

Proof?

Because, I think I remember ArenaNet saying that monthlies, dailies and laurels were designed to help bridge the gap between hardcore and casual players - especially in regards to gear progression.

Yet, the monthlies had 5 dungeons to complete last month. So, are you saying that since dungeons aren't meant for casuals, and that ANet put 5 dungeon completions in the monthly, that monthlies, therefore, aren't meant for casual players?

That would seem to go against the idea that monthlies are there to help bridge the gap between hardcore and casual players.

[Lordkrall]

El Duderino, on 01 March 2013 - 07:31 PM, said:

Proof?

Because, I think I remember ArenaNet saying that monthlies, dailies and laurels were designed to help bridge the gap between hardcore and casual players - especially in regards to gear progression.

Yet, the monthlies had 5 dungeons to complete last month. So, are you saying that since dungeons aren't meant for casuals, and that ANet put 5 dungeon completions in the monthly, that monthlies, therefore, aren't meant for casual players?

That would seem to go against the idea that monthlies are there to help bridge the gap between hardcore and casual players.

Can't you at least read the context before posting?

I quite clearly talked about EXPLORABLE dungeons. Said monthly could easily be completed by doing Story Dungeons, which are very casual friendly and also advertised as such.

[El Duderino]

Lordkrall, on 01 March 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

Can't you at least read the context before posting?

I quite clearly talked about EXPLORABLE dungeons. Said monthly could easily be completed by doing Story Dungeons, which are very casual friendly and also advertised as such.

Where is that advertising? I never saw any advertising about either.

Edited by El Duderino, 01 March 2013 - 07:50 PM.

[Lordkrall]

El Duderino, on 01 March 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

Where is that advertising? I never saw any advertising about either.

Can't find the quotes at the moment, but I quite clearly remember them comparing the Explorable mode dungeons to Raids in other games, when it comes to difficulty.

[Ishalim03]

I know story mode isn't really super important, but were there any changes to AC Story Mode, and if so, anybody care to briefly break them down?

I ask mostly because I'm helping a friend level up, he's almost 30, and when I take him into AC to do his first story mode, I'd like to not get us killed.

[El Duderino]

Lordkrall, on 01 March 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

Can't find the quotes at the moment, but I quite clearly remember them comparing the Explorable mode dungeons to Raids in other games, when it comes to difficulty.

If that is the case, then my apologies. You actually make a good point this time.

[Al Shamari]

Lordkrall, on 01 March 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

Can't find the quotes at the moment, but I quite clearly remember them comparing the Explorable mode dungeons to Raids in other games, when it comes to difficulty.

Actually, I believe the quote was from Colin (I could be wrong there) and it was comparing Explorable Mode to the Hard Mode dungeons in Guild Wars.

[matsif]

Sandpit, on 01 March 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:

Seems to be more of ANet's policy of locking casuals out of the game play. Same erroneous responses to speed players as in GW1. Forcing more and more specialisations in an ever failing attempt to slow the game down; all it achieves is to dictate that the only way these places can be played is the one optimal speed way.

how is it forcing specializations if it's easier than than it was before the update once you learn the mechanics of the boss fights?  It is super easy now, the only annoyance is the fact that there is more knockdown since the update.  Runs are actually faster than before because all the champs and bosses have less HP than before, which were the only thing holding speed runs from being any faster before.  My guild group could easily complete all 3 paths in around 40 minutes, and that isn't even running the meta speed run team.

If anything, AC is more casual friendly now than it was before, and before it was easily the most casual friendly dungeon outside of CoF path 1.  All it takes is a run or 2 to figure out the final boss fights, which is no different than when the dungeon was first released and no one knew what to do for a run or 2.

[Coren]

Sandpit, on 01 March 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

AKA, lock out the casuals. Glad you agree

You seem to confuse casual with useless. Casual doesn't mean someone who can't play well you know.

[AKGeo]

* this dungeon now. Knocklocks everywhere, took the most annoying mechanic in the dungeon away from the 10% of the mobs that did it, and gave it to the rest of them. Took the Ghost Eater and turned it into a stupid-ass ghostbusters wannabe game with really no way of calling more than one target (you know, so four people can actually do it efficiently while one kits the boss), there's FPS lag everywhere especially during path 1, and the path 1/3 bosses are ridiculous.

I'm officially moving my daily dungeon to CoE. Because it's less gimmicky. And that's saying something.

[Ritualist]

If I never again do P2, it will be too soon.

[Lordkrall]

Ritualist, on 02 March 2013 - 04:51 PM, said:

If I never again do P2, it will be too soon.

Why?
Because it requires communications and teamwork? (As the dungeons should)

[Gilles VI]

Sandpit, on 01 March 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:

Seems to be more of ANet's policy of locking casuals out of the game play. Same erroneous responses to speed players as in GW1. Forcing more and more specialisations in an ever failing attempt to slow the game down; all it achieves is to dictate that the only way these places can be played is the one optimal speed way.

How the hell is Anet locking anyone out?
Ofcourse there will always be a optimal team composition for anything, because guess what, some professions will always be better at certain stuff than others.
But you can't compare it to GW1 where you absolutely needed a sin if you wanted to do the hardest content.

Any team composition can clear anything in GW2..