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#1 Jetjordan

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 02:47 PM

So the more i play ranger the more I put points in beast mastery. Lately ive been running around in power/precision/toughness/vit gear with 30 in BM. My damage is sort of sub par (33% crit with rarely a 2k hit) but im.seeing 4k hits from my jaguar regularly. Since switching the 30 in BM i drop karka in seconds and i rarely have even one pet downed during dungeons/fractals. Since we can gain attributes for everything but our pets stats from gear, should we be considering more points in beast mastery more often?

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#2 papaschtroumpf

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 03:26 PM

What do you use those 30 points for? I find myself pulling out of Beast Mastery as I level. I find the skills in that line generally sub-par compare to other lines, and only miss the "passive" effect of getting +10/stat/point of Beast Mastery.
Now I'm still new at rangers and mine is only in the 40s, so I'm not saying I'm right, just trying to understand the reasoning behind 30 in BM.
I'm currently running 30/20/20 with signets, although I hate having to get 20 in Wilderness for Hide in Plain Sight, the rest of the skills are meh, although I like the +50% endurance recharge.
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#3 Jetjordan

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 04:18 PM

What do you use those 30 points for? I find myself pulling out of Beast Mastery as I level.


Well for one thing 30 pts in BM increases all you pets attributes by 300. So part of my reasoning here is that this is the only way to pump your pets stats since gear has no effect. I take the following traits: f2 recharge rate, skill recharge, and life regen. This combo gives all your pets a massive boost to damage (some non f2 pet skills hit like a truck) and survivability. I think a lot of people overlook this because it doesn't directly effect the player character. But lets face it, its the only way to boost your pets stats and they are half your damage and utility as a ranger.

I feel like this line might be seriously overlooked.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 04:44 PM

yup. I recognized the usefulness of the +10/stat/point and you may be right that it's overlooked since all stats are buffed permanently, all the time. The pets in my build are somewhat squishy, so I swapping them often, which I don;t really like, and use Signet of Stone if needed, but it doesn't help against large AoEs which is why I tend to go Lynx for its F2 then switch to ranged pet (spider/devourer) in dungeons.

I still find the BM traits lackluster, 10% recharge is not that great even though every bit helps. I find I like the minor traits almost better than the major ones, but as I said, I'm only in the low 40s so I haven't experienced all of them yet. I
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 04:51 PM

Master's Bond is the perfect example of a trait I think it borked. Its effect are cancelled when swapping pets, which I tend to do a lot, and not just to save their hide, but because I want to use their F2 for the right situation.
If it stuck around, I love to have with with faster pet recharge and faster F2 recharge.
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#6 Garimeth

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 05:24 PM

I personally like to put 15 in BM, faster pet swap means my pet dies less, for a minor trait I choose mighty swap, it means my pet almost always has 3 stacks of might up. In PvP I use 30, and have been tempted to try that in dungeons also....except that in dungeons when my pet dies its usually due to it being stupid, and i don't want to have too many points invested in a 45 second CD. The passive healing at 30 is nice though.
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#7 Jetjordan

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 05:38 PM

Yeah i have stayed away from masters bond. There is too much of a reason to constantly swap pets (quickness for one) to leave one pet out the whole time. Ive used it farming before, but didnt love it even then.

I would be interested to see if a zero BM 30 power build would out perform vs a zero power 30 BM traiting. I would test this but im currently stuck waiting for jury duty.....
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Posted 14 March 2013 - 06:42 PM

Yeah i have stayed away from masters bond. There is too much of a reason to constantly swap pets (quickness for one) to leave one pet out the whole time. Ive used it farming before, but didnt love it even then.

I would be interested to see if a zero BM 30 power build would out perform vs a zero power 30 BM traiting. I would test this but im currently stuck waiting for jury duty.....


From personal experience, I appear to be doing significant more damage with my 20 / 30 / 0 / 0 / 30 build than my old 30 / 30 / 5 / 0 / 5 build, as it makes a Jaguar a lot more practical to keep out and alive.

The idea is if you can keep your pet alive, you will be contributing more damage than you ever can without it even in a pure personal damage build. All the additional stats from BM line really improve your pet's performance, both in raw damage, survivability, and synergy of self-healing from the crit healing trait.

I dont go 30 in BM because I really need the personal crit chance and damage bonus from Skirmish.

I'm testing out 10/30/0/0/30 now just for kicks.
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 01:53 PM

yeah I went 20/20/15/0/15 and noticed a Huge dropoff in damage, not too mention that my jaguar would lose over half his life to one karka volley (as opposed to a little over 1/4 before with 30 in BM)
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Posted 26 March 2013 - 02:39 AM

I ran 10 in BM since launch until a couple days ago, when I switched from 30/20/10/0/10 to 10/20/10/0/30 to try it out. My ranger a bit less damage, but my pet is now incredibly powerful and my overall damage skyrocketed. I run cats and drakes now, instead of being required to keep bears everywhere to keep them alive. I wouldn't say a full BM build is for everyone, as it requires a fair amount more attention to the pet, but it can be pretty fun.
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Posted 26 March 2013 - 06:07 PM

I am trying to make a 30 BM and greatsword/shortbow build, but I am clueless when it comes to the armor, skills, and extra traits.

Looking at the traits that help the GS, it looks like it pours a lot of points into toughness and vitality. At this point I enjoy doing different dungeons, and am hoping to do some bounty missions, but these things typically give advantages to straight DPS.

Any thoughts?
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Posted 26 March 2013 - 07:19 PM

I ran 10 in BM since launch until a couple days ago, when I switched from 30/20/10/0/10 to 10/20/10/0/30 to try it out. My ranger a bit less damage, but my pet is now incredibly powerful and my overall damage skyrocketed. I run cats and drakes now, instead of being required to keep bears everywhere to keep them alive. I wouldn't say a full BM build is for everyone, as it requires a fair amount more attention to the pet, but it can be pretty fun.


I'm considering trying 30 BM also. My current build has 30 Marksmaship, both for the extra power and the Signet of the Beastmaster, but I find that I rarely rely on Signet of the Beastmaster (+Stone Signet) although it has been a godsend at times. I already run drake + cat as my primary pets but there are bosses they simply won't survive with only 15BM, so I tend to put them on passive or swap to a ranged pet.
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#13 Jetjordan

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 03:03 PM

At 30 BM I've noticed that I can let my jaguar attack a boss until he starts getting direct aggro from it, at which time I usually have time to heal and/or stealth him. If he gets AoE or gains aggro again after stealth it might be time to dodge for prot and heal again or switch. For the most part though my cat can stay on most bosses feet for an entire fight. I'll usually only switch in my drake if there are adds I want to wipe out, or I need access to the quickness for a quick res.

Aaron Demonsniper is right too, you will notice your character damage decrease but when your cat is hitting people for 4K you won't mind so much.
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:06 PM

This seems like it would be an ideal leveling build especially, since it's far easier and safer to let your pet maul through enemies but potentially prohibitive in dungeons?

I just reinstalled GW2 after a long hiatus and was considering starting up fresh to see the additional content. I have gotten a Death Blossom Thief up to 80 prior to the hiatus, so I think I have enough battlefield awareness now to stay alive. I'm seeing numerical builds, but what in terms of actual skills/talents do you end up taking to make this work and fun? My greatest fear as to playing a ranger is simply getting bored by spamming the Short Bow. One of the most enjoyable times I had with the ranger closer to launch was the one handed sword/warhorn mix but the auto attack/dodge issues made it hard.
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:40 PM

There's a few ways to go on a 30 Beast build. Here's a base (give or take on the armor).

http://gw2buildcraft...h.4p.4o.4w.56|e

Pets - generally a Jaguar / Devourer. Jag on offense, Devourer as ranged/defensive.

Play style I'm aiming for is to play a support evasion tank. I go in hitting with Maul on recharge, Mitigate damage with Block/Evade skills, Vigorous Renewal and Companions Protection. Aside from Maul, the Jaguar is your main damage dealer - under stealth Jaguars crit often, and hit like a truck. GS#5 can magnify your pet damage, even at range, as well as activating signets for damage boost.

Shortbow / Devourer is strictly a survivability set. If I can't survive melee, I use shortbow. If the pet can't, I switch to Devourer. This is lower tier in terms of damage output, so I use it as little as possible.

Utilities, I change often, but here are the usuals:
  • "Sick 'em" / Signet of the Hunt / Signet of the Wild - In active mode, these are all pet damage buffs. These do not stack, but you can chain them (along with GS5) one after another to amp up your Jag's power.
  • Signet of Stone / Lightning Reflexes - The first is a damage mitigator, the second is an evade plus Vigor boon. You can use these along with Signet of the Wild in passive mode to enhance your pet survivability.
  • QZ / "Search and Rescue" = 4x revive speed!
Alternate traits, you can move points into Nature in order to increase your survivability. At 15 nature, your pet shares boons with you (such as Tail Wind and Fury Swap).
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 06:25 PM

My greatest fear as to playing a ranger is simply getting bored by spamming the Short Bow. One of the most enjoyable times I had with the ranger closer to launch was the one handed sword/warhorn mix but the auto attack/dodge issues made it hard.


I play GS/LB with 0/20/20/030 and I ROCK people in WvW/PvP. It also works great in dungeons. It's sort of an all around build to. Take CD reduction i Survival skills/Bows/swords for traits and you can easily go SB/Axe with condition damage armor or swich to power armor and go LB/GS. LB/GS is where it is at IMO. I use Power/precison/tough when I roll LB/GS. I use the jag like the above poster, but I change the second pet depending on the situation. I only use devourers when there is a boss that just one shots the guardians in the group at melee range.
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 12:43 AM

Curently trying a Beastmaster heavy regen build for dungeons and so far it works quite well, the amount of HP regen my pet is getting is pretty insane and he can survive for a while as long as he's not one-shoted. I'm doing less damage but the gain for having a pet alive with improved stats is far better than a full berserker using bear.
Sigil of Strength makes a great combination with Fortifying Bond provided you have a high crit build (Berserker, Rabid, Knight or Rampager).

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#18 alikebab1

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 02:25 PM

Perhaps this is a dumb question but: where do I get a jaguar or a sort like pet like that?
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 02:35 PM

Metrica Province. A map with the exact location is on "/wiki jaguar"

It's the only pet with stealth as it's F2 ability, so there isn't really anything "like" it.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:01 AM

What do you use those 30 points for? I find myself pulling out of Beast Mastery as I level. I find the skills in that line generally sub-par compare to other lines, and only miss the "passive" effect of getting +10/stat/point of Beast Mastery.
Now I'm still new at rangers and mine is only in the 40s, so I'm not saying I'm right, just trying to understand the reasoning behind 30 in BM.
I'm currently running 30/20/20 with signets, although I hate having to get 20 in Wilderness for Hide in Plain Sight, the rest of the skills are meh, although I like the +50% endurance recharge.


So far my ranger has 7/0/11/0/20 at level 48, and to be honest the forties flew by. PvE leveling compared to the thief was fairly even until right around forty, and then he just kind of took off. Signet of the Wild hasn't left my bar since I got it,
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 04:39 PM

Tests are undergoing and I'm very (finally ) happy with the shape of my ranger. My problem what, apart from 30 BM, should I roll. There are a few candidates but I feel like this:
http://goo.gl/e6KAF

Hints, tips, comments appreciated
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