Konig Des Todes said:
Don't be so quick. It says that Glint and Kuunavang are like night and day to the Elder Dragons. Night and Day doesn't mean they are not Elder Dragons, but could be their personalities, or their powers.
I think there were more than one Elder Race.
My response to your copypastaed section:
As to my own views..Well, I'm going to lay them out in contrasting points to those of Konig.
Konig Des Todes said:
Personally, I don't think it will turn out to be a Titans vs Gods mimic. Instead, I think it would be that the Elder Dragons are all rivals to each other, and Glint might have been the strongest one, as such she put the others to sleep. Perhaps she knows of the reason for the Giganticus Lupicus' deaths as well. I'd have to say that Glint and the 5 Elder Dragons were the "six leaders" of the Giganticus Lupicus, and they all fought each other until only the six remained alive, then just Glint remained awake. I.e., six-way war?
I instead think that the Elder Dragons were never at war, and if Glint did in fact exist whenever the Elder Dragons were alive and well, I think
that was her reason for secluding herself in a grain of sand. However, I do find it possible that Glint knew of the cause of the Giganticus Lupicus's death or extinction.
My reasoning for thinking the Elder Dragons were not rivals, is quite simple and to the point. There are mountain ranges in Tyria. Mountain ranges are a clear indication of tectonic activity or volcanic activity on a planet, and by examining the map of Tyria, we can define tectonic plates based on the mountain ranges. How does this support my argument, though? The Elder Dragons are millennia old, the continents could have completely reformed in the 10, 000+ years of their slumber. As such, they could have originally been miles apart from one another, meaning they may have never even interacted with one another, or knew of each other.
Now, this perspective on it even invalidates my reasoning for Glint's seclusion, as they may have never even been around Glint, but, keep in mind the Crystal Sea, was, well, a body of water, and the Deep Sea Dragon appears to pervade the Unending Ocean quite well, so...
Konig Des Todes said:
After that, she split her power into 7 or more portions. One she kept herself, the other 6 (or more if there were more gods than the now six) were given to the beings which would become the first gods (if she didn't make the gods themselves). Which, imo, would be Dwayna, Melandru, the Great Dwarf, Dhuum, and Arachnia.
I don't even know to begin with this..The only beings we've seen split their power are the Mursaat, and this required the loss of their physical form in the process. The only way we've seen the power of a God or Goddess transmitted is through the loss of their physical form. And we only have a hypothetical method of providing power through another means, but this still seems to involve the loss of the body.
Each case we have seen a being depart from their power, has involved the loss of their body. Why Glint would be any different is a major hole in this.
That aside, I find it more likely that Glint secluded herself in the grain of sand that is her lair, due to the Elder Dragons' power, or some other unknown reason (protection of young?). The Gods just stumbled on to Tyria, and somehow stumbled into Glint, who possibly told them of the Elder Dragons, and how they could use their power to redefine the world for whatever means. The Gods decided to take these chances, and did so, for some reason, perhaps they didn't even stumble on to Tyria, but came to Tyria
because of the Elder Dragons' power. Whatever the case, it seems highly likely that they used the Elder Dragons' power to fuel their own efforts.
Konig Des Todes said:
After the creation of the six original gods, the six began terraforming the world and creating new races. Dwayna made Harpies, Melandru made plants, the Great Dwarf made the Dwarves, Arachnia made Dryders and other insects, etc. etc. Eventually the oldest races were made (which seem to be Charr, Forgotten, Dwarves, Mursaat, Seers, and Titans). There may have been more "oldest races" - perhaps the Humans, Tengu, and Centaur, etc. are just as old in the world, but not in the known continents.
I find it more likely the first Gods were from the same planet as the Forgotten, personally, and had interacted with them before, thus being able to entrust them as caretakers of Tyria. On a completely different note, I suspect, in some ways, that the Great Dwarf was the first of the Gods to stumble onto, find, or, truly explore, Tyria, discovering the Elder Dragons himself, perhaps.
The other Gods, I think, stuck to the surface, for the most part. Melandru examining and thriving in the plants, learning and being one with them. Dwayna ascending the mountains and gazing in awe at the ability of life to survive such climes. Balthazar exploring the violent interactions of the inhabitants, the violence of the environment itself, and learning of them all.
Konig Des Todes said:
Eventually, the Great Dwarf died when fighting a stronger (thus different) Great Destroyer who tried to raise his master (Primordus) from slumber, and Balthazar was nearby so he got the godly power by chance and took up the Great Dwarf's role, slightly changing it (God of the Forge and Stone(?) to God of War and Fire - the Stone aspect going to Melandru with her Earth and Nature). Arachnia is said to have been evil, so Glint and the other gods might have viewed it necessary to remove Arachnia, thus came Abaddon's godhood. Then we have Dhuum who became unjust, and Grenth rose to take his place. Then we all know the case of Abaddon and Kormir.
Obviously I disagree on the point of Balthazar seizing his Godhood by mere chance. However, I do find it possible that the Great Dwarf discovered the first Great Destroyer, or possibly found older texts describing it, and hunted it down to kill it, dying in the process of killing it.
I think the God or Goddess prior to Abaddon is unclear, but perhaps this God/Goddess was actually a native to Tyria, and would not give up the secrets of the world to them; hence why the Great Dwarf had to explore for himself, and after the Great Dwarf's death, they accused him/her of being the reason for this, creating a situation in which someone else (Abaddon) could seize the power himself. Perhaps this was the reason magic was introduced in such quantities by Abaddon; as he discussed it with his fellow Gods, they did not realize to what extent he intended to give the races magic, and when they found the races not only destroying their creation, but almost rivaling them in power, they decided that magic must be contained. Abaddon, probably driven mad with frustration, and the realization that if the races did not have this power, they could not even begin to face the Elder Dragons, found that attacking and overthrowing them was his only, last, choice.
Of course, we all know how that turned out.
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