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#1 Mahaedros

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 12:05 AM

the comments by the Settlers seem to be a bit... unsettling....


there's a big hole in Divinity's Reach that's rumored to be a protest by Anet employees


tin foil hats on!

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 12:20 AM

Kudos to Anet if that is what it means. NCsoft is a terrible company and Nexon is even worse than them. I believe Anets reputation has been mostly ruined, and I would love to blame it on someone else.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 12:22 AM

What is happening?

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 12:32 AM

View PostEl Duderino, on 17 May 2013 - 12:22 AM, said:

What is happening?
we're speculating/ joking that Anet is poking fun at their NCSoft/Nexon overlords

all in good fun of course...  If you go to the Southsun Cove now, you'll find a lot of refugees making comments about greed and betrayal of trust

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 12:34 AM

Interestingly enough, Faren and the skank beside him(What's her name again?) have a dialogue where they talk about how the upcoming dragon festival may be offensive. I took this as a parody of NCSoft(Or whoever it was) being offended by Cantha.

As for The Great Collapse, I've no idea. It does seem a bit weird and stuff, but all I've heard is inconsistent rumours.

View PostMahaedros, on 17 May 2013 - 12:32 AM, said:

we're speculating/ joking that Anet is poking fun at their NCSoft/Nexon overlords

all in good fun of course...  If you go to the Southsun Cove now, you'll find a lot of refugees making comments about greed and betrayal of trust

Now that you mention it, I do remember a settler saying they signed a contract to come and fight, and the fighting was over, and they wanted out of the contract, and Kiel explaining that he signed the contract and was stuck there.

Edited by Gerroh, 17 May 2013 - 12:36 AM.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 12:42 AM

View PostGerroh, on 17 May 2013 - 12:34 AM, said:

Interestingly enough, Faren and the skank beside him(What's her name again?)
Barbie.

I didn't get around to checking out all the NPC dialogue since I was on a mission to get my tentacle pr0n back piece and farm for boxes that never drop.  Maybe I should go chat up the NPCs!  This stuff sounds juicy.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 12:54 AM

I can't unsee the similarities.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 01:05 AM

lol thanks for the good laugh!

View PostFernling306, on 17 May 2013 - 12:20 AM, said:

Kudos to Anet if that is what it means. NCsoft is a terrible company and Nexon is even worse than them. I believe Anets reputation has been mostly ruined, and I would love to blame it on someone else.

This is what my boyfriend thinks. He refuses to believe that anet would willingly ruin their own rep by some of the stuff they do. I'm not as optimistic as he is.

Edited by Fizzypop, 17 May 2013 - 01:07 AM.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 01:17 AM

Talk sh*t about ANET all you want, but the people at the heart of GW2 DO still have their integrity. I had an inkling of suspicion when I read the betrayal stuff but after reading this thread the description is just too uncanny to ignore.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 06:23 AM

1. Suck it up. I don't care if the big, old, bad companies are making you incorporate terrible decisions in the game, I need to suffer those terrible decisions. I don't care how you got to a shitty game, all I care about is that it is shitty.

2. Having said that, the only relevant thing to come out of the Southsun update is this:
http://www.reddit.co...h_fanciest_cat/

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 06:46 AM

View PostStrawberry Nubcake, on 17 May 2013 - 12:42 AM, said:

Barbie.

I didn't get around to checking out all the NPC dialogue since I was on a mission to get my tentacle pr0n back piece and farm for boxes that never drop.  Maybe I should go chat up the NPCs!  This stuff sounds juicy.

Tentacles and school girls?

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:59 AM

I must admit I was thinking of that the other day - blue and yellow ARE the NCSoft colours, after all.
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Posted 17 May 2013 - 12:29 PM

Ok who ever has couple of hundred millions of dollars laying around buy out Anet from NCSoft so we get our game back :P .
With no pun or disrespect i really have trouble understanding why western developers tie themselves to Asian leech company`s.....i would never get a contract with company that will mess around with my work...

On the other hand western publishers are not that much better.....so no wonder why so many new games are done by kickstarter !!!

GREED is BAD, but i guess many people forgot that along the way !

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 12:33 PM

If this is it... Lol ANet has some serious balls lol.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 12:40 PM

View PostAlex Dimitri, on 17 May 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:


With no pun or disrespect i really have trouble understanding why western developers tie themselves to Asian leech company`s.....i would never get a contract with company that will mess around with my work...

ArenaNet was founded in 2000.
It was bought by NCSoft in 2002.
Their first game ever (Guild Wars Prophecies) was released in 2005.

Do you really think that they would have been able to release any game AT ALL without the money from NCSoft? ^^

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 12:59 PM

View PostLordkrall, on 17 May 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

ArenaNet was founded in 2000.
It was bought by NCSoft in 2002.
Their first game ever (Guild Wars Prophecies) was released in 2005.

Do you really think that they would have been able to release any game AT ALL without the money from NCSoft? ^^

Yes, I think they would. You make the assumption in your post that NCSoft is the only option they had. There are plenty of other publishers, not to mention private ways or raising capital, that don't include a company named NCSoft - or any eastern publisher for that matter.

It would be quite narrow-minded to think otherwise, don't you think?

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 01:12 PM

View PostEl Duderino, on 17 May 2013 - 12:59 PM, said:

Yes, I think they would. You make the assumption in your post that NCSoft is the only option they had. There are plenty of other publishers, not to mention private ways or raising capital, that don't include a company named NCSoft - or any eastern publisher for that matter.

It would be quite narrow-minded to think otherwise, don't you think?

You're probably right that they had other options, but its just as likely that no other publisher would have stuck with them during the 5 year lull of GW2 development.  Say what you want about NCSoft interfering and wanting to see a profit, but they also paid for the GW1 servers from 2005 til the present, despite the fact that the game stopped bringing in a profit back in 2007 for the most part. You can't really blame NCSoft for wanting to milk the cash cow they waited on for so long.  Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if GW2 launched when it did at NCSoft's order, rather than Anet feeling it was ready.  

Still, even if NCSoft is being pushy, it doesn't excuse anet for bad design decisions, poor communication and not being able to manage their own game very well.  Those are all developer side issues more than they are publisher side.  My bet is that most publishers don't really look at the games they publish that closely as long as they seem to bring in a decent profit/some gaming awards/etc.  We can blame NCSoft for no Cantha, but they published Cantha in the first place, even to gamers in the East.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 01:17 PM

View PostCaptain Bulldozer, on 17 May 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

You're probably right that they had other options, but its just as likely that no other publisher would have stuck with them during the 5 year lull of GW2 development.  Say what you want about NCSoft interfering and wanting to see a profit, but they also paid for the GW1 servers from 2005 til the present, despite the fact that the game stopped bringing in a profit back in 2007 for the most part. You can't really blame NCSoft for wanting to milk the cash cow they waited on for so long.  Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if GW2 launched when it did at NCSoft's order, rather than Anet feeling it was ready.  

Still, even if NCSoft is being pushy, it doesn't excuse anet for bad design decisions, poor communication and not being able to manage their own game very well.  Those are all developer side issues more than they are publisher side.  My bet is that most publishers don't really look at the games they publish that closely as long as they seem to bring in a decent profit/some gaming awards/etc.  We can blame NCSoft for no Cantha, but they published Cantha in the first place, even to gamers in the East.

That may be true, but from the perspective of looking for capital for GW1, they certainly had more options than just NCSoft, which was my only point.

However, I would urge anyone to look at NCSoft's financial statements and stock prices for the year before GW2 arrived and look at how many games NCSoft had that were close to release and tell me what you see.

I see a company that dipped into negative cash flow and had stock prices that were plummeting. The company was definitely having problems. The only thing that was going to save them was a massive influx of cash and the only game that was even close to ready was GW2.

I think that accounts for a lot of the reasons why we think GW2 has all these problems and is still in a very "beta" state. There is no doubt in my mind that it was released before it was ready simply to save NCSoft. Unfortunately, I don't think the problems can be fixed - and I don't know that anyone is trying. I would love to be wrong, but I am more pessimistic with each update.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 01:29 PM

This idea came up several months ago with the release of Lost Shores. I can't remember all of the points made, but it was pretty convincing. Among the "evidence" behind the theory was the jumping puzzle named "Under New Management," a suspected reference to Nexon and Cristin Cox working their grubby claws into the game with purely profitable measures. As well, there was the suspicion of a symbolism between karka and the lionguard. It was theorized that the karka represented Nexon, coming into the Lionguard's (ANet's) territory, and tearing down the lion statue in LA, symbolic of Nexon stripping ANet of their former relatively non-greedy stance with a cash shop in GW1.

I'm normally not big on conspiracy theories, but I don't think it's any coincidence that in the interim between GW1 and GW2, Nexon purchased some 15% of the shares of NC Soft (or was it ANet themselves?), and ANet hired Cristin Cox to oversee the monetization of GW2, and now GW2 is a significantly more cash driven game than GW1. Cristin is already well known for having ruined Maplestory, and I wouldn't be too surprised if it were actually at NC Soft's "suggestion" that ANet hired her. Why would a company that had such a successful model with GW1, with a very limited cash shop, suddenly go overboard with it in GW2?

I have to agree with Duderino: it seems NC Soft forced GW2 out early in an attempt to rescue a sinking ship. And now they're taking the lifeboats with them. GW2 is only just in the past 2-3 months starting to head in the right direction with content and updates, but it's still far too gold/cash-centric than I care for.

I was in a thread in the videogame generals section of 4chan yesterday (no, /b/ does not comprise all of 4chan; there's more to it than that), and someone jokingly posted something along the lines of:
"Just $15 a month and you can be a premium GW2 member, receiving benefits such as:
--800 gems per month!
--early access to new content!
--free costumes/cosmetics from the Black Lion store!
--a monthly package of boosters and other consumables!"
And a few other benefits.

It's scary just how believable that post was. GW2 is being ruined by its cash driven stance. I much preferred the system of GW1 where I could just pay $7 and get the costume I want, no rng, no gambling, just me playing dress-up with my characters.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 02:15 PM

View Postben911993, on 17 May 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

This idea came up several months ago with the release of Lost Shores.

You probably mean this:
http://www.mmorpg.co...exon-Investment

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 02:32 PM

View PostRitualist, on 17 May 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:


Wow. That is eye opening. And it was written in November 2012! Funny how nothing has changed and all the predictions have come true!

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 03:28 PM

View PostEl Duderino, on 17 May 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:



Wow. That is eye opening. And it was written in November 2012! Funny how nothing has changed and all the predictions have come true!

That was certainly an interesting read....summary: Nexon = Asian EA. Lets all pray to God, or Cthulu or the great purple unicorn in the sky, or whatever you believe in that Valve stands up to Nexon and tells them to gtfo.

Off-topic: @ElDuderino - I like the avatar change, looks pretty cool!

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 03:41 PM

Very eye opening. Its all about the money

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 03:41 PM

In the list of hidden message conspiracies, don't forget the theory that Fractals of the Mists was named so that any player who has any experience with MMORPGs sees it abbreviated and reads "Flavor of the Month".

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 03:58 PM

View PostLoperdos, on 17 May 2013 - 03:28 PM, said:

That was certainly an interesting read....summary: Nexon = Asian EA. Lets all pray to God, or Cthulu or the great purple unicorn in the sky, or whatever you believe in that Valve stands up to Nexon and tells them to gtfo.

Off-topic: @ElDuderino - I like the avatar change, looks pretty cool!

Thanks! :)

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 05:05 PM

View PostLordkrall, on 17 May 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

ArenaNet was founded in 2000.
It was bought by NCSoft in 2002.
Their first game ever (Guild Wars Prophecies) was released in 2005.

Do you really think that they would have been able to release any game AT ALL without the money from NCSoft? ^^

Maybe not the first game, but second one sure !
Anyway NCSoft can buy development teams but thankfully not people, so simple name change could have done the trick. Honestly i would play this game whether is called GW2 or world of guilds or any other name :P !

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 05:27 PM

View PostKymeric, on 17 May 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

In the list of hidden message conspiracies, don't forget the theory that Fractals of the Mists was named so that any player who has any experience with MMORPGs sees it abbreviated and reads "Flavor of the Month".

This as well. Can't believe I forgot to mention that, as it was the biggest thing that stood out to me with the Lost Shores/FotM update. It's really disappointing after GW1, one of my most beloved games that I poured some 3.5k hours into, to see GW2 be such a starkly different game in monetization design.

I actually bought all the upgrades and costumes I could in GW1 because I absolutely loved their model of being completely honest about what's being sold in the cash shop. Just pay a few bucks for a costume, and all of your characters can have it. Not pay a few bucks to get a key to open a chest that'll have a slim chance of giving you what you're looking for, but will instead probably have jack in it. But hey! Your luck might be better next time! Only one way to find out!

For those of you interested, there's a thread about the BL chests, gambling, and rng here: http://www.guildwars...tery-rng-boxes/

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 07:11 PM

Well, there were some strong coincidental NPC names and JP titles added with the Lost Shores event.

A golem named BUY-4373, an NPC named Subdirector Blingg, and a jumping puzzle named Under New Management.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 07:28 PM

Seems like a whole lot of tinfoil hat

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 07:53 PM

View PostJuanele, on 17 May 2013 - 07:28 PM, said:

Seems like a whole lot of tinfoil hat

I think that's part of the point. :)   The OP posted something that seems like it MAY be over the top and very tinfoil hat~ish, and its fun to get a laugh about these sorts of theories.  The problem is that while there is no solid evidence that this instance is true or false, there are enough coincidences that seem to point in a particular direction that it makes people start to wonder....





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