Do you observe PvP?
Posted 20 May 2013 - 10:08 AM
Spent a few moments watching watching Guru's tournament yesterday and I wondered who watches PvP and why? Do you watch it in-game with the observer mode or through streams/replays? Do you watch it to learn, pick up build ideas, to waste time, ...?
And if you don't watch it, why not?
Posted 20 May 2013 - 10:22 AM
Posted 20 May 2013 - 11:38 AM
I used to think spectating would be a good way to learn about pvp, and maybe a way to get into it eventually but...
If your not a pvp regular, you have no idea at all what is going on, your not going to watch more than once or twice.
The plethora of classes and weapons does not help noobs to understand the action.
Tiny asura characters make it even harder to tell what class it is and what it is doing.
I can't see this being of much use educationally for non-pvpers unless there is some-one really really good doing announcing, kind of like John Madden with telestrator and everything. Unfortunately the few heavily advertised tournaments I have watched have all been announced by players who think they are in a competition to use as many esoteric, obscure or hip pvp slang as possible and they assume every one watching is a pvp aficionado.
Not knowing what is going on makes it very boring to watch and about 2 minutes is all I can stand before leaving.
Games like Starcraft can be fun to watch for non-players because the basic game play is understandable and quickly grasped, so that game gets huge viewer numbers from not just hard-core players.
GW2 pvp is way to complex due to so many classes, weapons and skills. Add to that eye candy particle effects that overshadow most of the action and tends to distract the viewer from the real action.
Edited by beadnbutter32, 20 May 2013 - 11:47 AM.
Posted 20 May 2013 - 12:37 PM
This is how I feel also. And to make the situation even worse, I absolutely hate the zoom level: the camera is way to close to the action, further limiting your understanding of the battle.
Posted 20 May 2013 - 12:50 PM
Edited by Featherman, 20 May 2013 - 01:08 PM.
Posted 20 May 2013 - 01:29 PM
For me, Guild Wars 2 simply isn't fun to watch. It's hard to understand what is going on onscreen, even if you understand what the announcers are saying. I think this is in part due to the particle effects and the weird floating combat text. It's also, for me, incredibly boring... All I see is characters running around casting spells and it all just looks like a big uncoordinated mess.
After making this comment in the stream (and obviously getting attacked for it), players were saying that I simply "did not know the game" and "did not understand how the game works or what is happening onscreen". I don't think this really matters. In order for PVP matches to be enjoyable they need to be accessible to everyone, not just players who actually play the game.
And... if that's not possible because the game is too complex, at least make it fun to watch... That ugly floating combat text and those crazy particles just ruin the experienc efor me...
Edited by dimiguel, 20 May 2013 - 01:30 PM.
Posted 20 May 2013 - 03:49 PM
Edited by MazingerZ, 20 May 2013 - 03:49 PM.
Posted 20 May 2013 - 03:53 PM
Funnily enough, I loaded up the Twitch app to see what was going on last night.
Most of the channels were about Fractals. There were two PvP channels. One was an engineer doing sPvP and another was a Thief who basically said he sucked and come watch him suck at it.
Posted 20 May 2013 - 03:54 PM
Seriously, PvP is engaging when you're the one doing it. Unless you like to sharpen your tactical awareness or whatever... I won't judge.
Posted 20 May 2013 - 04:14 PM
Posted 20 May 2013 - 11:46 PM
Posted 21 May 2013 - 07:27 AM
Actually, who freaking thought it was a good idea not to include free camera mode as a spectator option. Pretty much every other game has that option. Afraid of cheating or something? And why do spectators take up slot in game?
I hate to sound like Im raging, but GW2 spectator mode is hugely disappointing at best. A.net doesn't play other pvp games?
Edited by Ritter, 21 May 2013 - 07:35 AM.
Posted 21 May 2013 - 09:34 AM
I definitely enjoy watching GW2 matches, especially the ones with epic comebacks and cool group strats. I feel the maps they chose for these tournies are too simple. I think it would be more exciting if they chose Temple of the Silent Storm, Spirit Watch and Legacy of the Foefire or Forest of Nifhlel because those maps force people off points and allow the spectator to talk about other things.
The most boring matches are the ones where the secondary objectives are ignored... or no one performs something spectacular.
Edited by Dirame, 21 May 2013 - 09:36 AM.
Posted 21 May 2013 - 09:53 AM
I don't watch it in GW2 as I don't play the PvP. But even thought I did in GW1 I was never one who watched it a lot or anything. And just like Verene said, watching people play games is the most boring thing there is haha But each to their own!
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