Jump to content

  • Curse Sites
Help
* * * - - 8 votes

Why Not Buy Gold From Gold Sellers?


  • This topic is locked This topic is locked
220 replies to this topic

#1 El Duderino

El Duderino

    Golem Rider

  • Members
  • 2292 posts
  • Location:Drowning in a White Russian listening to Creedence
  • Profession:Mesmer
  • Guild Tag:[DuDE]
  • Server:Blackgate

Posted 25 May 2013 - 04:45 PM

This is a pretty simple argument that I recently though up. Why did we dislike people who bought from gold sellers in Guild Wars 1? Because, they could buy their way to get whatever they want in the game.

Well, now that we can get anything we want to get by buying gold legitimately, what is the inherent problem with buying it cheaper on the black market?

I mean, I guess you can say that you are supporting the company by buying it legitimately, but, as a player, I don't really care about that. Just like I don't care about copying music from a friend's computer to use in my iPhone.

So, if we accept the following two premises, I think the logical conclusion is that there is no reason to discourage people from buying gold from black market gold sites.

Premise 1: The reason for discourage gold buying from a player's perspective was to prevent players from artificially obtaining in game wealth that they did not "work" for.

Premise 2: If, by being able to buy gold from the developer, you can legitimately gain wealth by not working for it, then:

Conclusion: There is no philosophical reason to discourage players from buying gold from black markets to artificially gain wealth without working for it.

#2 Khrushchev

Khrushchev

    Vanguard Scout

  • Members
  • 255 posts
  • Profession:Necromancer
  • Guild Tag:[GT]
  • Server:Henge of Denravi

Posted 25 May 2013 - 04:49 PM

The argument is typically this:
To fulfill the amount of gold people order, gold sellers typically resort to botting and stealing legitimate player's accounts.

Both of these obviously hurt the game, and its players.

#3 Darkobra

Darkobra

    Seraph Guardian

  • Members
  • 1366 posts
  • Location:Scotland

Posted 25 May 2013 - 04:50 PM

You have to keep in mind where this gold came from. This isn't coming from people wanting to make a bit of money by farming gold and deciding to treat themselves to a nice dinner this weekend. The main source is from Chinese gold farmers who hack accounts, use them to farm and sell the gold and let legitimate players get banned. By buying from them, you encourage their business to prosper and more accounts may be lost.

Bots can also destroy an economy in a game and even an environment as they fix themselves to the best spot in the game, leaving legitimate players finding it harder to get the mobs. Either for their quests, experience or just plain loot.

#4 Lordkrall

Lordkrall

    Legion Commander

  • Members
  • 5370 posts
  • Location:Sweden
  • Profession:Warrior
  • Server:Aurora Glade

Posted 25 May 2013 - 05:08 PM

As have already been stated it is more of a moral issue.
Are you fine with the fact that the gold you are buying have been gained by stolen accounts? Do you find it okay to encourage the sellers to keep destroying the game for others (those that loses their accounts) just because you are too cheap to buy it the legit way?

#5 Bright Star Shine

Bright Star Shine

    Asuran Acolyte

  • Members
  • 106 posts

Posted 25 May 2013 - 05:13 PM

View PostDarkobra, on 25 May 2013 - 04:50 PM, said:

You have to keep in mind where this gold came from. This isn't coming from people wanting to make a bit of money by farming gold and deciding to treat themselves to a nice dinner this weekend. The main source is from Chinese gold farmers who hack accounts, use them to farm and sell the gold and let legitimate players get banned. By buying from them, you encourage their business to prosper and more accounts may be lost.

Bots can also destroy an economy in a game and even an environment as they fix themselves to the best spot in the game, leaving legitimate players finding it harder to get the mobs. Either for their quests, experience or just plain loot.

I agree with your first part: that supporting gold farmers is a bad thing because their practices are usually not so clean...

On the other hand, I disagree with your last bit, but hear me out. People always shout how bots break the economy and how they're harmful, but let's take a look at what happened after the massive banwave a couple of months ago (don't remember exactly when it happened). T5 and T6 mats skyrocketed (I know a couple of people that made some good bank off of that) and ever since that happened, inflation became a real big issue, which people constantly complain about. I'm kind of split on the issue to be honest. On the one hand, I hate bots, and like to see them banned. On the other hand, I hate high prices and inflation.

Now, on the topic, as is mentioned before, you fail to take into account the nature of the black market. Yes, you are right in the sense that the philosophical idea of buying gold is no longer present, but the moral background from the black market is also a bit iffy. Although I have to admit that I strongly disagree with some of the moral implications certain items in the gem store bring with them (black lion keys, I'm looking at you).

Let's make an analogy: you can buy a pound of meat from the butcher shop, of whom you are relatively certain that the animal in question was treated well and butchered humanely (as far as that is possible of course) for 10 dollars/euros. Behind the butcher, in a dirty ally, however, there is a guy selling a pound of meat for 5 dollars/euros. You are relatively certain though that the animal in question was not treated well or butchered humanely. Yes, your meat will be cheaper, but the moral implications are not all too clean...

I don't really care though. All my in game gold from GW1 magically disappeared one day, and that same day, some money was deposited on my PayPal account. I spent all the money that I made from GW1 on GW2 to upgrade my account, but character slots, bank tabs, armor, etc... Although, my little money well is starting to dry out.. But I've got most of the stuff I need from the gem store.

Except for flipping transmutation Crystals... I can never get enough of those bastards... There should be an easier way to acquire them in game. For example, trade 50 or something normal transmutation stones into 1 Crystal. No one uses them anyway...

#6 Darkobra

Darkobra

    Seraph Guardian

  • Members
  • 1366 posts
  • Location:Scotland

Posted 25 May 2013 - 05:21 PM

The high prices are the other end of the terrible spectrum: Market manipulation. People buying a product solely to sell it at an increased price.

#7 Dasviidonja

Dasviidonja

    Vanguard Scout

  • Members
  • 220 posts

Posted 25 May 2013 - 05:23 PM

Well I come from the old school and though I love to see bots banned I do enjoy high prices and inflation. That's what drives me to play these games not some romper room economy that everybody gets everything because it's cheap and easy to get. That's what ruined GW1 when the took away the high prices and inflation and made everything easy to get with inscriptions and runes and inserts. Was a time in GW1 where only a handful had perfect weapons and gear. That's the way a real world should be even in a fantasy world things should be plausible not candyland. Though I certainly don't like the fact one can buy their way to heaven in this game either. I think YOU should WORK for what you get. The good stuff should be NO DROP and if you can't get in a group or guild or with friends and get it then you don't deserve it. :{P

#8 Illein

Illein

    Golem Rider

  • Members
  • 2039 posts

Posted 25 May 2013 - 05:24 PM

Even if I would not give a damn about supporting Arena Net or whether or not the gold I am buying was acquired through illlicit means - there is one reason why I wouldn't do it and it's the single most important one for me:

If they catch a whiff of it, my account is gone.

I don't know about you, but even if I bought every last thing I own on my account, newly through gold sellers - I'd probably have to dish out ~1000 € at least. So it's not exactly something I could just regain by spending some cash on a new account and gold sellers.

Besides that, if my account gets hacked by those people I'd buy from (happened to others) - I'd not only affect me, but my guild colleagues as well. I wouldn't want to be the guy who got hacked, whose hacker took all the gold from the guild back and who has to deal with the consequence of "Maybe he just took it.." ;)

Nah, I rather not get a fourth legendary, than getting it through gold sellers and then always having a weird feeling each time I log in. I don't know. Not worth the sweat.

#9 Baron von Scrufflebutt

Baron von Scrufflebutt

    Golem Rider

  • Members
  • 3316 posts

Posted 25 May 2013 - 05:39 PM

View PostKhrushchev, on 25 May 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

... gold sellers typically resort to stealing legitimate player's accounts ...

I am SLIGHTLY torn here: I firmly believe that those us of that were given the possibility to do better have an obligation to seize those possibilities. Even if I know that this will not solve everything, doing "the right thing" is something that I personally think I should be doing. If not buying gold from gold-sellers will POTENTIALLY help some poor schmuck that can't come up with a decent password, I feel I should do that.
And then, there's the A.Net issue. A.Net didn't need to come up with a system that places such value on gold and they didn't need to come up with a system that allows them to sold gold. Despite knowing that gold-selling is an issue, they designed the game so that they make the most out of it, regardless if that puts that users at a risk. So by doing what I think is right, helping a fellow user, I am also supporting a system that I don't believe in: I am helping A.Net's greed which also comes at a cost of having a poorly designed game (I CLEARLY very much dislike the whole idea that's behind selling gold AND GW2's design, which is to get more stuff!).

Which means that whatever decision I make in this case, it's always going to be grey. I will always be doing something that I think shouldn't be done, along with something that I believe in. Now, since I wouldn't dream of buying gold (either from gold sellers or A.Net - because it doesn't seem "right" in either case), I don't really need to make this decision, but I think that A.Net are really making it hard for me to do "the right thing" here.


EDIT:
Also, something that I didn't address directly: by not buying gold (either from A.Net or gold sellers) I am putting myself at a disadvantage because A.Net chose to make the game about getting stuff. Which means I am basically caught in a situation where I disadvantage myself by not buying gold, I disadvantage other consumers by buying black market gold or I support a company that made a system that is making me choose between these options.

Edited by Ritualist, 26 May 2013 - 09:57 AM.


#10 MisterB

MisterB

    Sylvari Specialist

  • Members
  • 961 posts
  • Location:In your Tyria, breaking your immersion
  • Guild Tag:[Loot]
  • Server:Ehmry Bay

Posted 25 May 2013 - 05:40 PM

Black market gold sellers spam chat and send me unsolicited mail to promote their "service." That annoys me.

Many of them commit crimes including but not limited to: account theft, identity theft, and credit card and other forms of fraud. I don't think it's OK for me to pay some guy(s) to steal another player's account, their credit card(s), and their identity just so I can get some virtual currency in a video game.

I don't particularly like the entire concept of buying virtual currency in a video game at all, but I don't particularly care if other people choose to do so. It's their money after all. That's really another topic altogether anyhow.

Edited by MisterB, 25 May 2013 - 05:44 PM.


#11 El Duderino

El Duderino

    Golem Rider

  • Members
  • 2292 posts
  • Location:Drowning in a White Russian listening to Creedence
  • Profession:Mesmer
  • Guild Tag:[DuDE]
  • Server:Blackgate

Posted 25 May 2013 - 06:02 PM

View PostMisterB, on 25 May 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:

I don't particularly like the entire concept of buying virtual currency in a video game at all, but I don't particularly care if other people choose to do so. It's their money after all. That's really another topic altogether anyhow.

I think it is kind of part of this topic. I mean, I loathed the idea that someone would buy gold and be able to get what I worked hard to acquire in GW1. However, that all changed now that it is acceptable to buy gold in GW2.

My question is: did you care if people did this in other games where you couldn't buy in game currency legitimately through the game?

View PostKhrushchev, on 25 May 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

The argument is typically this:
To fulfill the amount of gold people order, gold sellers typically resort to botting and stealing legitimate player's accounts.

Both of these obviously hurt the game, and its players.

I agree that it isn't morally OK with me to support a company that would steal player accounts. Although, it is pretty easy to keep your account safe. If you knew that the company didn't steal accounts, how would you feel?

As for the botting thing, I don't really worry about that. What, really, is the difference between paying someone to use a bot to do the same thing I would have to do anyway. I mean, there isn't much difference between a bot and a farmer at the end of the day - except the level of intelligence of the person behind the computer - and even then - the farmer is probably acting with about as much intelligence as a bot program while farming anyway.

View PostIllein, on 25 May 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

Even if I would not give a damn about supporting Arena Net or whether or not the gold I am buying was acquired through illlicit means - there is one reason why I wouldn't do it and it's the single most important one for me:

If they catch a whiff of it, my account is gone.

Yes, this is a real world consequence of getting caught, for sure. However, I don't know if it changes my philosophical stance towards buying gold from a gold seller.

#12 Jetjordan

Jetjordan

    Sylvari Specialist

  • Members
  • 565 posts

Posted 25 May 2013 - 06:10 PM

I totally get where you are coming from, just not where you are going.

#13 El Duderino

El Duderino

    Golem Rider

  • Members
  • 2292 posts
  • Location:Drowning in a White Russian listening to Creedence
  • Profession:Mesmer
  • Guild Tag:[DuDE]
  • Server:Blackgate

Posted 25 May 2013 - 06:13 PM

View PostLordkrall, on 25 May 2013 - 05:08 PM, said:

As have already been stated it is more of a moral issue.
Are you fine with the fact that the gold you are buying have been gained by stolen accounts? Do you find it okay to encourage the sellers to keep destroying the game for others (those that loses their accounts) just because you are too cheap to buy it the legit way?

For someone who says that players who play the Cox Boxes are too stupid to realize that the odds are against them - why are we suddenly running to defend them from being stupid enough to use an easy to hack password?

But, yes, I don't think anyone should condone a company that steals players accounts. How would you feel if you knew the black market company didn't steal accounts? Would that change your perception at all?

View PostJetjordan, on 25 May 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

I totally get where you are coming from, just not where you are going.

I just think it is interesting that something as loathed as buying in store currency with cash is now OK simply because the game developers added it to the game. It is a distinct paradigm shift.

#14 Lordkrall

Lordkrall

    Legion Commander

  • Members
  • 5370 posts
  • Location:Sweden
  • Profession:Warrior
  • Server:Aurora Glade

Posted 25 May 2013 - 06:14 PM

View PostEl Duderino, on 25 May 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

But, yes, I don't think anyone should condone a company that steals players accounts. How would you feel if you knew the black market company didn't steal accounts? Would that change your perception at all?

How would they have gotten all those amount of gold to sell if they didn't?
And would they really buy new accounts on their own for every single one that got banned? I find it highly unlikely that gold-selling would exist without stolen accounts.

But lets fantasies that it would work, it would not really change anything in my eyes, since it would still be against the terms I agreed upon when I logged in to my account.

#15 Butcher

Butcher

    Sylvari Specialist

  • Members
  • 606 posts
  • Location:Michigan
  • Profession:Warrior
  • Server:Tarnished Coast

Posted 25 May 2013 - 06:15 PM

Why not?
They'll hack your account and sell all of your shit.

#16 Jetjordan

Jetjordan

    Sylvari Specialist

  • Members
  • 565 posts

Posted 25 May 2013 - 06:16 PM

View PostEl Duderino, on 25 May 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:


For someone who says that players who play the Cox Boxes are too stupid to realize that the odds are against them - why are we suddenly running to defend them from being stupid enough to use an easy to hack password?

But, yes, I don't think anyone should condone a company that steals players accounts. How would you feel if you knew the black market company didn't steal accounts? Would that change your perception at all?



I just think it is interesting that something as loathed as buying in store currency with cash is now OK simply because the game developers added it to the game. It is a distinct paradigm shift.

yeah I guess it just feels like 2 wrongs make a right type of logic.  I was hurt when legendaries went "buyable" in the cash shop, but the gold sellers are something that needs to flat out be destroyed.

#17 El Duderino

El Duderino

    Golem Rider

  • Members
  • 2292 posts
  • Location:Drowning in a White Russian listening to Creedence
  • Profession:Mesmer
  • Guild Tag:[DuDE]
  • Server:Blackgate

Posted 25 May 2013 - 06:16 PM

View PostLordkrall, on 25 May 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

But lets fantasies that it would work, it would not really change anything in my eyes, since it would still be against the terms I agreed upon when I logged in to my account.

So, you think that it is philosophically OK for the game developers to have a monopoly on the cost of cash to gold? Do the terms of the game literally dictate your entire thought process, leaving you bereft of having your own opinion?

Edited by El Duderino, 25 May 2013 - 06:20 PM.


#18 Juanele

Juanele

    Seraph Guardian

  • Members
  • 1743 posts

Posted 25 May 2013 - 06:17 PM

Personally I have never bought gold for any video game nor will I ever.

And if I did, it certainly wouldn't be to gold sellers with the threat of stolen credit card and identity theft out there. No entertainment is worth that possibility.

#19 El Duderino

El Duderino

    Golem Rider

  • Members
  • 2292 posts
  • Location:Drowning in a White Russian listening to Creedence
  • Profession:Mesmer
  • Guild Tag:[DuDE]
  • Server:Blackgate

Posted 25 May 2013 - 06:19 PM

View PostJetjordan, on 25 May 2013 - 06:16 PM, said:

yeah I guess it just feels like 2 wrongs make a right type of logic.  I was hurt when legendaries went "buyable" in the cash shop, but the gold sellers are something that needs to flat out be destroyed.

So, you think that being able to buy in game gold is wrong, regardless of the seller? I think I agree, and yet, I wonder how newer gamers feel. Is it just because we may have played games in the past where it was frowned upon to do so?

View PostJuanele, on 25 May 2013 - 06:17 PM, said:

Personally I have never bought gold for any video game nor will I ever.

And if I did, it certainly wouldn't be to gold sellers with the threat of stolen credit card and identity theft out there. No entertainment is worth that possibility.

Paypal is a pretty easy way around that. Heck, I buy exact replica football jerseys for $35 online from China when the real thing is $200+ and I've never been scammed or had my account or identity stolen.

#20 Jetjordan

Jetjordan

    Sylvari Specialist

  • Members
  • 565 posts

Posted 25 May 2013 - 06:21 PM

View PostEl Duderino, on 25 May 2013 - 06:19 PM, said:

So, you think that being able to buy in game gold is wrong, regardless of the seller? I think I agree, and yet, I wonder how newer gamers feel. Is it just because we may have played games in the past where it was frowned upon to do so?

yeah It cheapens the game, wish you could only get stuff like they had in Gw1, nothing in the cash shop bothered me in that game.

#21 Juanele

Juanele

    Seraph Guardian

  • Members
  • 1743 posts

Posted 25 May 2013 - 06:21 PM

I won't take that chance. I work with people who deal with identity theft. That will ruin your life.

#22 Bryant Again

Bryant Again

    Sylvari Specialist

  • Members
  • 895 posts
  • Location:Michigan
  • Profession:Warrior

Posted 25 May 2013 - 06:24 PM

View PostLordkrall, on 25 May 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

But lets fantasies that it would work, it would not really change anything in my eyes, since it would still be against the terms I agreed upon when I logged in to my account.

You agreed on them, but how do you feel about them? He's asking for, like, your opinion, man.

#23 Lordkrall

Lordkrall

    Legion Commander

  • Members
  • 5370 posts
  • Location:Sweden
  • Profession:Warrior
  • Server:Aurora Glade

Posted 25 May 2013 - 06:35 PM

View PostBryant Again, on 25 May 2013 - 06:24 PM, said:

You agreed on them, but how do you feel about them? He's asking for, like, your opinion, man.

I agree with them, simple as that.
If I didn't I wouldn't have agreed with them, now would I?

#24 MisterB

MisterB

    Sylvari Specialist

  • Members
  • 961 posts
  • Location:In your Tyria, breaking your immersion
  • Guild Tag:[Loot]
  • Server:Ehmry Bay

Posted 25 May 2013 - 06:50 PM

View PostEl Duderino, on 25 May 2013 - 06:02 PM, said:

I think it is kind of part of this topic. I mean, I loathed the idea that someone would buy gold and be able to get what I worked hard to acquire in GW1. However, that all changed now that it is acceptable to buy gold in GW2.

My question is: did you care if people did this in other games where you couldn't buy in game currency legitimately through the game?
I can't think of any game I've played besides Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2 where buying gold or in-game achievements and whatnot were a possibility. The short answer is I didn't and don't care, no.

What I do care about is that I feel that the possibility of buying gold legitimately may have influenced certain design decisions that i loathe. I can only enjoy playing GW2 by intentionally ignoring some of (it's a long list!) what i think the designers intend me to do or reward me for while I play. Unfortunately, the consequences of doing this (playing how I want instead of how I think is intended or rewarded) results in extremely limited amount of currency compared to what I was able to acquire in GW1. And gold wasn't really a resource I needed much of in that game, unlike the sequel.

Edited by MisterB, 25 May 2013 - 06:51 PM.


#25 Corsair

Corsair

    Is trivia

  • Super Moderators
  • 5473 posts
  • Server:Sea of Sorrows

Posted 25 May 2013 - 06:51 PM

View PostDasviidonja, on 25 May 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

Well I come from the old school and though I love to see bots banned I do enjoy high prices and inflation. That's what drives me to play these games not some romper room economy that everybody gets everything because it's cheap and easy to get. That's what ruined GW1 when the took away the high prices and inflation and made everything easy to get with inscriptions and runes and inserts. Was a time in GW1 where only a handful had perfect weapons and gear. That's the way a real world should be even in a fantasy world things should be plausible not candyland. Though I certainly don't like the fact one can buy their way to heaven in this game either. I think YOU should WORK for what you get. The good stuff should be NO DROP and if you can't get in a group or guild or with friends and get it then you don't deserve it. :{P
Except for the fact that their original loot design was entirely against the spirit of the game in it's inception. Skill/time put in. By lowering the barrier of entry to the best statistical items they stayed truer to their core design principles.

Anyway, there are 3 reasons beyond the moral standpoint. The first is hyper inflation of the in game economy. Digital economies are already prone to some pretty nasty inflation, but the bot exacerbate the issue. Second, plenty of the gold sellers have also partaken in the theft of accounts, a thouroughly terrible thing from anybody's point of view. The third is spam in the chat channel. I've booted up a few MMOs that were so rife with the gold-selling spam-bots you couldn't hold a conversation.

Yo Ho Ho and a bottle of rum

Have a moderation related issue or just want to chat? Send me a PM.


Gipsy Danger reporting for duty!


#26 Solstice

Solstice

    Sylvari Specialist

  • Members
  • 705 posts

Posted 25 May 2013 - 06:58 PM

Let me add a fourth reason, it involves a third party generating a genuine source of revenue using a product intellectual property, in this case Guild Wars 2, without the permission of the developer or publisher. This is a huge breach in copyright if not other company laws.

Edited by Solstice, 25 May 2013 - 07:11 PM.


#27 Dervo

Dervo

    Asuran Acolyte

  • Members
  • 85 posts

Posted 25 May 2013 - 07:08 PM

View PostEl Duderino, on 25 May 2013 - 06:16 PM, said:

So, you think that it is philosophically OK for the game developers to have a monopoly on the cost of cash to gold? Do the terms of the game literally dictate your entire thought process, leaving you bereft of having your own opinion?

I believe that since it is in fact the game that they themselves made, they are the only one with the rights to profit off of anything in said game, and the terms are not the game's, but the company's (nevermind, it's legal for others to do it, though obviously it's against the EULA).  Those legal issues aside, I do not agree with all of the ways they are going about profiting from gw2.  Still, that does not excuse bypassing their system for one that can and does hurt other players worse.

I guess though, that you're debating whether gold sellers really do hurt other players more, think of it this way though:  People have the option of using the cash shop or not, but when it comes to hacked accounts... people don't really wake up one day and think "today I think I'll get hacked, that sounds like fun".  That's the issue here, and as bad as it may be that people are getting horrible items from the boxes they bought in the cash shop, there is plenty of ways to find out beforehand that it's a rip-off. (they should still be a a whole lot cheaper but again, that's not the issue)

View PostJetjordan, on 25 May 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

yeah It cheapens the game, wish you could only get stuff like they had in Gw1, nothing in the cash shop bothered me in that game.

I so loved gw1's cash shop, people who liked costumes funded the game while knowing full well what they were buying and it never gave any real advantage to anyone.  Really wish we could think of a good way (ie. not funding gold sellers) to convince anet that their current philosophy is a bad one, well them and ncsoft/nexon obviously.

View PostLordkrall, on 25 May 2013 - 06:35 PM, said:

I agree with them, simple as that.
If I didn't I wouldn't have agreed with them, now would I?

I agree with your stance on gold sellers, but you need to realize a lot of people "agree" with terms simply because they have to in order to use the product.  If the product is good, people will accept bad terms regardless of the fact that they don't agree.  Well, that or pirate it if possible.  Ok, here's an easy example, if a game has an age requirement of 13 in the terms, but a kid who's 12 wants to play it do you think they'll disagree with the terms?

Edited by Dervo, 25 May 2013 - 07:37 PM.


#28 El Duderino

El Duderino

    Golem Rider

  • Members
  • 2292 posts
  • Location:Drowning in a White Russian listening to Creedence
  • Profession:Mesmer
  • Guild Tag:[DuDE]
  • Server:Blackgate

Posted 25 May 2013 - 07:14 PM

View PostSolstice, on 25 May 2013 - 06:58 PM, said:

Let me add a fourth reason, it involves a third party generating a genuine source of revenue using a product, in this case Guild Wars 2, without the permission of the developer or publisher. This is a huge breach in copyright if not other company laws.

As far as I'm aware, there is nothing illegal about that. And no, that isn't against copyright laws. It might be against the EULA, but it isn't against the law.

If it were against the law, you would see PayPay not allowing payment to these sources.

Edited by El Duderino, 25 May 2013 - 07:14 PM.


#29 Lycrus

Lycrus

    Vanguard Scout

  • Members
  • 304 posts

Posted 25 May 2013 - 07:16 PM

Buying gold from goldseller supports the exact wrong people. I wont support crime, this is basicly crime.
Just because there is no direct law for it, doesnt make this NOT a crime. robbing people is robbing people. be it through a game or not. this is a failure of society providing clear instructions.

The gold they obtain is marked basicly. They didnt earn it legitimely. You can pretty much transfer this whole object onto real money and there you are, people claiming fake money or robbed money is basicly good to buy, which it isnt since it supports bad behaviour.

So, yeah, i will never buy the gold from them. I wont point with finger at people who do though because its a kind of two edged sword. If people would protect their accounts better etc...

this being said, its morally wrong for me and its a quite clear stance. if you aks people who allready bought gold, they still would agree with you. only the most stubborn people try to still live in their shell. the thing is, while they agree, they dont care about others. a dangerous combination i might say.

Edited by unraveled, 25 May 2013 - 08:55 PM.
Removed off topic content.


#30 Lordkrall

Lordkrall

    Legion Commander

  • Members
  • 5370 posts
  • Location:Sweden
  • Profession:Warrior
  • Server:Aurora Glade

Posted 25 May 2013 - 07:17 PM

View PostDervo, on 25 May 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

I agree with your stance on gold sellers, but you need to realize a lot of people "agree" with terms simply because they have to in order to use the product.  If the product is good, people will accept bad terms regardless of the fact that they don't agree.  Well, that or pirate it if possible.  Ok, here's an easy example, if a game has an age requirement of 13 in the terms, but a kid who's 12 wants to play it do you think they'll disagree with the terms?

Of course. I simply explained why I personally wouldn't buy gold from third party sites even if no others were harmed by it.




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users