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#1 CRaul87

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:43 AM

So.... I'm a PvP kind of guy, never loved lvl-ing up or PvEing.... 90% of the 6+ years I spent playing WoW I PvPed.      

HOWEVER I'm not PvPing in GW2, now why would that be?

Well first of all they got the lvl-ing part right as far as I'm concerned and I actually loved it so getting to max lvl was a good experience.(But why would you lvl up in a game that makes you max lvl for PvP?? -> I don't know... brainwashed by wow / wanting to see the story, doesn't matter... I did and it was good).

Now for the actual barrier for me: I AM NOT ABLE TO USE MY HARD EARNED PVE SKINS IN PVP!!!   Yeah.. I don't care if that makes sense to you or not but with the pvp skin reward system being the shit lottery that it is I just can't seem to get myself motivated enough to grind through all the crap and misery while being dressed in that god awful starter armor skin -> HIDEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:52 AM

if your only argument for pvp is about how your character look, I'm not taking you seriously

#3 CRaul87

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 11:15 AM

View PostFrogKnight87, on 05 June 2013 - 10:52 AM, said:

if your only argument for pvp is about how your character look, I'm not taking you seriously
I'm sure PvP has more "important" issues than this..... BUT YES!! Consider this my first argument...

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 11:19 AM

In a way, I agree with OP, though that's not the only reason I don't take PvP in gw2 seriously, and thus don't play it.

In GW1 you could turn up to the highest PvP level and get smashed by someone in plain starter armour while you were in your obby set or whatever. Skill was everything, not gear. But at least you could use the stuff from pve in pvp so any look you had sought was still visible when you dipped your toe into whichever area of PvP you tried.

Now in GW2 you can't, and the PvP is limp in comparison, so why bother with PvP at all?

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 11:44 AM

I mostly agree with OP on this, it deters me a bit from sPvP overall. For me in mmos one of my main concerns is getting my character to look the exact way I want them to so having to do that a whole second time, especially with RNG thrown in, just doesn't seem worth it to me. I understand that it does give an indication of rank within sPvP but wouldn't an emblem or title provide the same thing? But it's all subjective I guess, I imagine there are some out there who actually like the idea of their gear in PvP being earned within PvP alone and setting themselves apart from others that way. Oh well, guess we can't all be winners in this one!

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 11:47 AM

I, too, love PvP in MMOs. But even though GW2 has far superior PvP mechanics compared to the other MMOs that I've played (imo of course, which is all that matters when it's my enjoyment), I just can't think of it as anything else than a pointless mini-game.

I've been thinking a lot about this, because I really want to like it. I'm quite sure that it is mostly due to the reward-system. I think it's downright bad and uninviting. Maybe it's because there isn't clear goals, such as "I need x amount of glory to get the Corrupted Dagger", or maybe because how randomized the rewards are which somehow makes them feel non-personal (and personality is a very strong part when it comes to rewards in PvE imo).

If people felt that doing PvP was more rewarding, they would probably take it more seriously. I mean, if you want to win in Hot-Join -all you've to do is to skip the deathmatch-mindset and start roaming. Piece of cake really, because people doesn't care if they win or lose Hot-Joins and since winning isn't fun, they have fun dueling instead.


The reason why I don't bring up tournies here is because I've barely played them. And why would I? Even in those I don't care much  if I win or lose. Not saying that if I want to have fun in PvP I would rather play Hot-Join...

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 11:48 AM

I would actually love to see that you can earn special skins in PvP that you can use in PvE. Much like HA in GW1 or the z-chests. This would certainly attract more people to pvp although i think we need new pvp modes first. Getting sick of conquest and I'm just rank 20..

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 12:00 PM

First of all, the PvP in Gw2 in comparison to the PvP in GW1 is a gimmick.
PvP in GW2 is too casual friendly, i don't even call it real PvP.

I agree with you that it is stupid from A-Net that u can't wear your hard earned pve gear and weapons in PvP.
I sometimes still jump in sPvP, but compared to the hours i did PvP in GW1 (TA/RA/HA/GvG) it's  nothing.

GW2 is a great PvE game, still like to play it but PvP wise it's a flop.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 12:35 PM

View PostFrogKnight87, on 05 June 2013 - 10:52 AM, said:

if your only argument for pvp is about how your character look, I'm not taking you seriously

Serious players or not, the sorry sPvP population can use all the help it can get.

That said, Anet is likely concerned that allowing PvE armor removes the only thing you CAN grind in PvP. If they added some rewards you could convert to PvE land (something like z-key), then it would probably be OK to allow PvE skins. Let PvErs drop into PvP every now and then for some perks, while pure PvPers still have a path to get their armor.

Edited by FoxBat, 05 June 2013 - 12:35 PM.


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 01:04 PM

I think skins are way overated, especially when most people play zoomed way out, and what individuals look like is irrelevant at that level of zoom.

I thought getting PVP skins was supposed to be easy, simply pvp long enough and you fill up your free skin locker.

It's chicken and egg dude, you gotta pvp to get the pvp skins, not pve.

It's a pretty flimsy reason to avoid pvp, more than likely your intimidated by pvp and are just looking for lame excuses to stay safe.

As to rewards, pvp is it's own reward.  You fight other human beings, one wins, one loses, the thrill of victory, the agony of defeat, etc. etc.

Edited by beadnbutter32, 05 June 2013 - 01:07 PM.


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 01:25 PM

I agree with the OP.

They should just let us use our skin rewards in both modes. It would encourage people to play both modes and it's just really silly that we are restricted this way.

Also part of the reason Legendaries don't seem worth the trouble. You get one and then what? WvW or go farm events with it.

Edited by Resolve, 05 June 2013 - 01:26 PM.


#12 CRaul87

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 01:48 PM

View Postbeadnbutter32, on 05 June 2013 - 01:04 PM, said:

I think skins are way overated, especially when most people play zoomed way out, and what individuals look like is irrelevant at that level of zoom.

I thought getting PVP skins was supposed to be easy, simply pvp long enough and you fill up your free skin locker.

It's chicken and egg dude, you gotta pvp to get the pvp skins, not pve.

It's a pretty flimsy reason to avoid pvp, more than likely your intimidated by pvp and are just looking for lame excuses to stay safe.

As to rewards, pvp is it's own reward.  You fight other human beings, one wins, one loses, the thrill of victory, the agony of defeat, etc. etc.

I'm not intimidated by pvp.... I pvp-ed in WoW for 6+ years both casually and competitive ... heck in Vanilla WoW I didn't even know what an instance or raid was... didn't know such think existed just because all I did was pvp and was more than satisfied with it...

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 01:41 AM

Spvp rewards are a joke. The game has far too many random elements, but at least pve has some set values here and there. If you actually take care and put some effort into this, you can more or less dodge the retarded random item casino. Sure it prolongs the playing time of some people while they try and fail to get their desired results, but for majority of the playerbase this is unacceptable. How many people are there that are seriously pursuing their legendaries? Not many, and guess why, not because of the ridiculous amounts of farm required to get it. The problem is, those amounts are 80% random/luck based with precursors, rare material drops and  all.

This is not to mention, of course, that 95% of the legendaries are just weird gizmos and/or retarded 'fun' stuff like rainbow shooting staves/bows or disco balls on a stick that totally ruin the atmosphere not only for their wielder but for everyone within viewing range. Not one 'serious' item, really, anet? Oh, well, maybe one. And I also find the Kraitkin model rather good. Except it's a trident and thus useless.

This is quickly degrading into a generic rant post, but alas. At least there is more to pve than legendaries (not much more, admittedly). In pvp, the random russian roulette item chests are the one and only way to itemize. This is the fundamental flaw with the system that the arena, ncsoft or whoever is in charge of their generic game design is, fail to comprehend. When people struggle with challenging tasks, they want to be sure they are properly rewarded for success. When they get a lucky drop from a menial task, on the other hand, the enjoyment is very marginal at best. Thus, the random based progression quickly destroys whatever satisfaction there is in pursuing long-term goals. Their bold words about innovative gameplay and reward systems pre-launch have remained just words.

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 02:01 AM

This is the biggest joke of a thread. Seriously, if the only thing stopping you from pvping is looks, then you aren't a true pvper.

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 02:18 AM

PvP without crosshairs and freedom of movement feels like a waste of time to me.  If pressing numbers is skill then I wasted so many years on Unreal Tourney.

Edited by ExplosivePinata, 07 June 2013 - 02:26 AM.


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 01:02 PM

So unless you grind COF or legendaries, rewards in the entire game are pretty sucky.

You could be a PVP god for all I know, but using skins as an excuse for not participating is just silly in my opinion.

If you have issues with bringing the rewards from PVP into PVE, well fine QQ about that all you want, lead a crusade and convince Anet to change their ways, but use it as a crutch for not playing PVP, meh.

Edited by beadnbutter32, 07 June 2013 - 01:03 PM.


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 01:26 PM

getting the skins I want in pvp for 2 chars took me exactly 3 days and some tpvp. learn to craft in mystic forge in the mists.

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 01:34 PM

Not sure why SPVP doesn't allow PvE skins but you can always do WvW to get your PvP fix.

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 02:29 PM

^^

Once I get my HoloDragon Wings I'll be posing dramatically on keep walls while firing my arrows down on all the silly knigits before taunting them a second time.

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 04:42 PM

View Postturbo234, on 07 June 2013 - 02:01 AM, said:

This is the biggest joke of a thread. Seriously, if the only thing stopping you from pvping is looks, then you aren't a true pvper.

And who made you judge on what a true pvper is or isn't?
If you get your kicks by pvp-ing an ugly ass character then good for you, but for the rest of us visuals are important, otherwise we'd all be playing braid board games.

Edited by CRaul87, 07 June 2013 - 04:42 PM.


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 04:45 PM

View PostExplosivePinata, on 07 June 2013 - 02:18 AM, said:

PvP without crosshairs and freedom of movement feels like a waste of time to me.  If pressing numbers is skill then I wasted so many years on Unreal Tourney.

You need crosshairs?  Noob!

Seriously twitch skill is not end all be all.  I don't understand why people disregard the fact PvP games that aren't shooters or strictly action games still take skills.

I am playing Scrolls here lately and that is very much a PvP affair.  Something like GW2 is a hybrid of that style of competition and something twitch based like CS.

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 06:38 PM

View PostFoxBat, on 05 June 2013 - 12:35 PM, said:

If they added some rewards you could convert to PvE land (something like z-key), then it would probably be OK to allow PvE skins. Let PvErs drop into PvP every now and then for some perks, while pure PvPers still have a path to get their armor.
this seems like a reasonable solution to me

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 10:59 AM

What's stopping me from PvPing is that there's no monks, rupts don't work the same way, they feel random, boons are random and there's no tactical rupting. As well as a fun skill system in line. I agree that you should be able to use the same skins. They should just make PvP characters and PvE characters, I thought that was pretty awesome.

Edited by Cube, 08 June 2013 - 10:59 AM.


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Posted 08 June 2013 - 11:45 AM

View PostLunacy Polish, on 07 June 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

You need crosshairs?  Noob!

These days I don't really have a choice, I'm just thankful when game lets me change my crosshair to a dot instead of the typical console port crosshairs that take up half the screen (slight exaggeration) :eek:

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 04:15 PM

View PostCRaul87, on 07 June 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

And who made you judge on what a true pvper is or isn't?
If you get your kicks by pvp-ing an ugly ass character then good for you, but for the rest of us visuals are important, otherwise we'd all be playing braid board games.
Maybe because you are not a PvPer. It is just that simple. They are more valid reasons to not want to PvP in guild wars 2 like not having the game mode you enjoy or current meta games that favors bunkers or the fact that certain classes are simply just better and have more variety of builds, but looks is not a valid reason. It could be one reason, but it should not be the main reason.

So yes, you are in fact NOT a PvPer and your reason is just stupid IF that is your main reason. Since you posted it on the forum, you pretty much left us to judge you. That is the whole point of the forum. If you hadn't posted it, nobody would be judging.

Edited by Specialz, 08 June 2013 - 04:16 PM.


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Posted 08 June 2013 - 06:40 PM

View PostSpecialz, on 08 June 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

Maybe because you are not a PvPer. It is just that simple. They are more valid reasons to not want to PvP in guild wars 2 like not having the game mode you enjoy or current meta games that favors bunkers or the fact that certain classes are simply just better and have more variety of builds, but looks is not a valid reason. It could be one reason, but it should not be the main reason.

So yes, you are in fact NOT a PvPer and your reason is just stupid IF that is your main reason. Since you posted it on the forum, you pretty much left us to judge you. That is the whole point of the forum. If you hadn't posted it, nobody would be judging.

Did you read the part where I said I spent 90% of my 6+ years in WoW doing nothing but PvP !? I was 2k+ rating in TBC on my warr and 2.3k+ on my DK in Wrath..... so yeah I'm "not" a PvP-er.....
The fact that you deem my reason not valid because it's not as "important" as others is just stupid.... every1 has their reasons and just because you don't share my view doesn't make it less important or valid.

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 06:46 PM

View PostFrogKnight87, on 05 June 2013 - 10:52 AM, said:

if your only argument for pvp is about how your character look, I'm not taking you seriously
Dying is style may be unimportant for some ...

But I kind of agree it's a bit strange that PvP had its own seperate unlock system.

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 07:02 PM

If the reason you don't want to pvp is truly because you don't like the starting skins, then please stay in pve.

I enjoy gw2's stance on uplevelling and free max gear for pvp (gw1 was similar if you rolled a pvp char), as it balanced gear, even if there are skill balance issues here and there.

My thinking has always been, and likely will always be; If you want the nice skins in pvp, work for them. If you want nice skins in pve, work for them. I don't want to see people running round pvp in pve farmed CoF armor, or vice versa.

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 08:41 PM

View PostCRaul87, on 08 June 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

Did you read the part where I said I spent 90% of my 6+ years in WoW doing nothing but PvP !? I was 2k+ rating in TBC on my warr and 2.3k+ on my DK in Wrath..... so yeah I'm "not" a PvP-er.....
The fact that you deem my reason not valid because it's not as "important" as others is just stupid.... every1 has their reasons and just because you don't share my view doesn't make it less important or valid.
I don't care what you did in WOW. I am talking about your reason for not wanting to PvP in Guild wars 2. It is just that simply. What you did in the past has no bearing on how dumb your reason is for not PvPing in this game.

People that enjoy PvP or PvPer don't need more than good game modes, balance and a few things.

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 09:53 PM

View PostSpecialz, on 08 June 2013 - 08:41 PM, said:

People that enjoy PvP or PvPer don't need more than good game modes, balance and a few things.

You shouldn't be be passing on your own subjective and limited views as universal facts for what constitutes or not a PvPer.
Just say that you don't agree with me simple and straight instead of passing this kind of "I'm better than you cuz x or y" kind of judgement because all that does it make u look bad.
What's it to you or any1 else that doesn't agree with me if Anet did decide to do this? how would that effect you? All it would do is allow each of us to play the game we want to play.




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