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#1 Mako482

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 09:08 PM

Unless there is something I don't know about here, this is pretty much the case right? I mainly WvW but would like to take part in world events, problem is if you don't have areas discovered your are SOL. How does someone who does not feel like running all over the damn map enjoy these? Is it possible?

I discovered the majority of the map with my first toon, I don't want to have to do it again with every alt. I don't play that toon anymore.

#2 Calypso589

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 09:42 PM

yes it is possible.

It's not like it's hard to get into the action if you truly wanted to. The events last 45 minutes. I"m sure you can stomach spending 5 or 10 of them getting where you need to go. Just take your city's portal to LA and then take one of the other portals to the city nearest where the action is taking place. After that you just have to potentially pass through a zone or two which really doesn't take long. Especially with speed buffs. Given how long this world event in general is going to last as well as how long the individual zone events last, there's really no excuse not to have at least one waypoint in every zone.

#3 Kurosov

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 09:47 PM

How is this even a question or an issue?

If you haven't been somewhere something happens then you can't do said thing till you get there.

It's not like they can contain all content to one starting area to be "fair" as we have 5 of them.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:03 PM

I wouldn't say you're screwed. As long as you have one waypoint per map discovered (which isn't much), you can get there. And then it's just a matter of running around and doing the events. If you don't feel like running around from event to event, then I guess you don't feel like doing it, not much else to say. Most of the events spawn within a close enough proximity that running there is just as fast as waiting for the loading screen to get there when you waypoint (or at least on my machine it is).

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 11:27 PM

Yeah, as long as you have a waypoint in the map you should be able to get a decent amount of events done. Worse case scenario, Scarlet spawns somewhere you don't have a waypoint to and you miss out on the daily bonus.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 11:56 PM

Yes you are sol. If you want to waypoint to a place you haven't discovered then discover it. Anet can't make all their content for people who want to just circumvent an entire section of the game.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 12:41 AM

I can't believe this question even needs to be asked. But yes, if you never plan to set foot in the game's world on your preferred character, then you can't do events in the game's world on that character.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 08:54 AM

I honestly feel that this LS chapter is a bit too hardcore: not "hardcore" as in "difficult", but rather just time-consuming: it requires the player to have pretty much the whole map (which also means it's basically lvl 80-only content) and each invasion lasts for years (or better yet, almost an hour). Given how players need to complete 10+ invasions for the achievement, given how there is no order to the spawn and given how we are looking at 15 minutes as time that the average player normally spends in-game per day, I am not the biggest fan.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 10:05 AM

Just go run around and grab all the way points. It doesn't take that long.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 07:09 PM

you should take this chance to get your toons to unlock those WPs that you don't already have. zerg help alot.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 07:38 PM

View PostBaron von Scrufflebutt, on 26 August 2013 - 08:54 AM, said:

Given how players need to complete 10+ invasions for the achievement, given how there is no order to the spawn and given how we are looking at 15 minutes as time that the average player normally spends in-game per day, I am not the biggest fan.

This is what I thought was strange about the LS this time. Not necessarily bad, but strange when you look at how ANet has been handling the game so far. This LS requires an input of significantly more time than the past ones have. I wish I had access to ANet's login data as I would be curious to see if the average playtime actually increased during this event. It would be an interesting datapoint at the very least.

The only thing I have found annoying (and this is entirely due to the way I play) is that this content is pretty much lvl 80 characters only. I have been using the LS to level my alt, but I am unable to play the alt through this LS since it is in zones my alt can not realistically enter and has the quest tied to these areas.

Edited by Feathermoore, 26 August 2013 - 07:39 PM.

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 06:45 AM

View PostFrakov, on 25 August 2013 - 11:27 PM, said:

Yeah, as long as you have a waypoint in the map you should be able to get a decent amount of events done. Worse case scenario, Scarlet spawns somewhere you don't have a waypoint to and you miss out on the daily bonus.
Or a WP close to the map you need to go.  On my second account, I hadn't been to every single map with either of my two lvl80's...  I mostly missed the areas in Ascalon.  So, when the area was in Blazeridge Steppes, my closest WP was halfway the Plains of Ashford.  So, I zoned there and walked to the Steppes.  I had 10 minutes, so plenty of time.  After that invasion, I walked to Fields of Ruins (hadn't been there either) to unlock at least a WP there.  I only spend some time during an invasion trying to unlock WP's, instead of just WP'ing to new events...

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 08:34 AM

If you don't have at least one waypoint on each sub section of the map, then yes. The same would actually apply to things like Guild Bounties, Challenge, Puzzle and Rush, unless the whole guild is prepared to wait till you get to the location before they start.

When you say that you don't play your first toon anymore, does it mean it's completely unusable? If not, why not take your first toon into the necessary areas and get credit for the events while you can? If you choose to only use your 'active' or 'main' toon to do certain things in this game, then it's a limit you imposed on yourself, not a limit that the game imposed on you. The game gave us multiple character slots to start with. Use all of them wisely for the good of your entire account.

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 09:44 AM

I agree that the new LS is for lvl 80s, but aren't there a lot of threads asking "so i'm lvl 80 now what?"  People want stuff to do that only lvl 80s can.  Anyway to address the OP, it's like there is a concert in Seattle or PAX prime, and if you don't live there or have a plane ticket you just can't go.  You have to go there to do the content regardless so why would you ask "how can I play content in places I've never been?"  The answer is simple, you have to go there to play the content.  Reverse the question, how can I stop an enemy server from stealing my post in WvW, Answer: you have to go to WvW and go to the spot where you're being attacked.  If you don't already have waypoints in WvW then you have to run there.

There is no instant way for PvE players to get to a certain spot or event in WvW either unless you have been there before, so go figure.
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Posted 27 August 2013 - 11:17 AM

You just need to get into each map, you don't need every single waypoint.  The event mobs are spread out all over the maps so it's not like you have to have a specific waypoint.

You can even get by with having a waypoint near a maps border and then zoning into the active map next door via a connector.

Since they last a good 45 minutes, you have plenty of time to get there.

It is more of an opportunity to gain a few waypoints each time while doing something fun.

I wish wapypoints would be account wide.  Unless you looking for a easy peasy carebear way to level, just by running around finding waypoints and POI.  Doing world completion more than once is kind of grindy.

Edited by beadnbutter32, 27 August 2013 - 11:18 AM.


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Posted 27 August 2013 - 11:21 AM

View PostMako482, on 25 August 2013 - 09:08 PM, said:

Unless there is something I don't know about here, this is pretty much the case right? I mainly WvW but would like to take part in world events, problem is if you don't have areas discovered your are SOL. How does someone who does not feel like running all over the damn map enjoy these? Is it possible?

I discovered the majority of the map with my first toon, I don't want to have to do it again with every alt. I don't play that toon anymore.

Do the events on your first toon if you're concerned about it. If you want to do them on an alt, you have to work for it.

That's like saying it's unfair that you can't do arah on a character unless it makes it all the way to cursed shore, because you leveled it to 80 in the crafting section of lion's arch.

I make sure to insist that all my guild members discover all waypoints near to the bounty paths for all potential targets, plus those near the start of rushes. I'd go so far as to make sure each has a character with 100% exploration so they can do treks as well, but treks are easy enough with only 3 or 4 main players that it would seem a little too demanding of all members.

But if you want to participate in a bounty, you need to be able to contribute. If you don't contribute to the entire process in some way, but show up to the kill and collect your reward nonetheless, you don't last long.

Edited by AKGeo, 27 August 2013 - 11:24 AM.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 03:39 PM

View PostFeathermoore, on 26 August 2013 - 07:38 PM, said:

This is what I thought was strange about the LS this time. Not necessarily bad, but strange when you look at how ANet has been handling the game so far. This LS requires an input of significantly more time than the past ones have. I wish I had access to ANet's login data as I would be curious to see if the average playtime actually increased during this event. It would be an interesting datapoint at the very least.

The only thing I have found annoying (and this is entirely due to the way I play) is that this content is pretty much lvl 80 characters only. I have been using the LS to level my alt, but I am unable to play the alt through this LS since it is in zones my alt can not realistically enter and has the quest tied to these areas.

It's my firm belief that they have more than likely peaked at player number 'bounces' that happen with each update, and so now they're going for the other metric, which is trying to find the spot that makes players play the longest without fatiguing them to maximize their exposure to the game and its revenue generating systems.

Edited by MazingerZ, 29 August 2013 - 03:40 PM.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 03:47 PM

View PostMazingerZ, on 29 August 2013 - 03:39 PM, said:

It's my firm belief that they have more than likely peaked at player number 'bounces' that happen with each update, and so now they're going for the other metric, which is trying to find the spot that makes players play the longest without fatiguing them to maximize their exposure to the game and its revenue generating systems.

This is actually a good thing though. Assuming we are correct, the past updates have been about learning what brings players back and these next string of updates should be attempts and finding ways to make players want to stay. The third string would be an attempt to combine the two goals to try and create a system that doesn't bounce, but retains or grows with each story. This would be good for the game.

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#19 MazingerZ

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 04:07 PM

View PostFeathermoore, on 29 August 2013 - 03:47 PM, said:

This is actually a good thing though. Assuming we are correct, the past updates have been about learning what brings players back and these next string of updates should be attempts and finding ways to make players want to stay. The third string would be an attempt to combine the two goals to try and create a system that doesn't bounce, but retains or grows with each story. This would be good for the game.

From my perspective though, what's actually in the updates could use more improvement, not just how its played to extend game-time.  By switching to a different dimension of maximizing their potential revenue source, they've probably become satisfied with what they believe brings players back that there won't be much deviation from the current formula.  Which is apparently to give people large zergs to farm.
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Posted 29 August 2013 - 04:29 PM

View PostFeathermoore, on 26 August 2013 - 07:38 PM, said:

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is that this content is pretty much lvl 80 characters only. I have been using the LS to level my alt, but I am unable to play the alt through this LS since it is in zones my alt can not realistically enter and has the quest tied to these areas.

View PostCulture Shock, on 27 August 2013 - 09:44 AM, said:

I agree that the new LS is for lvl 80s,
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I have been leveling my alt in these areas to great effect, he started at mid 20's and is now mid 60's after around 7-10 invasion areas completed. He had barely any way points and now has lots. I'd say this was a great way to level my thief considering he was on hiatus due to my dislike of how he was playing with no traits.

Back to the OP: Like many have said before, if  you want the reward, you have to front the entrance fee. Considering I would wager you could run to every zone in the map in under 1 hour (provided you are lvl 80) this should not prove an issue. Not counting that Orr is not being used for this event...

One last thing, I'm not trying to stifle your enjoyment of this game, but if you mainly WvW, what interest do you have in the events? They are semi-lucrative I guess (but so are other things like playing the trading post etc). Also the events function as a hop around zerg, which you can find in WvW. I don't wish to deter you from doing the event because people should play however which way they want. But a WvW player will find nothing new in this content in my opinion.

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 10:35 PM

View PostIsolani, on 29 August 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

I have been leveling my alt in these areas to great effect, he started at mid 20's and is now mid 60's after around 7-10 invasion areas completed. He had barely any way points and now has lots. I'd say this was a great way to level my thief considering he was on hiatus due to my dislike of how he was playing with no traits.

Back to the OP: Like many have said before, if  you want the reward, you have to front the entrance fee. Considering I would wager you could run to every zone in the map in under 1 hour (provided you are lvl 80) this should not prove an issue. Not counting that Orr is not being used for this event...

One last thing, I'm not trying to stifle your enjoyment of this game, but if you mainly WvW, what interest do you have in the events? They are semi-lucrative I guess (but so are other things like playing the trading post etc). Also the events function as a hop around zerg, which you can find in WvW. I don't wish to deter you from doing the event because people should play however which way they want. But a WvW player will find nothing new in this content in my opinion.

I hear what you say Isolani, and I understand, however I wouldn't tell just any lvl 20 to go level in some of the zones that the events appear.  That was basically my point, a lvl 20 can't always survive in the places that the events appear.  They will get one shotted in many cases.  Of course if you are a seasoned vet who has many alts then you would probably be able to avoid the normal map mobs and even take on enemies 10 lvls higher at lvl 20.

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 06:06 AM

View PostCulture Shock, on 30 August 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

I hear what you say Isolani, and I understand, however I wouldn't tell just any lvl 20 to go level in some of the zones that the events appear.  That was basically my point, a lvl 20 can't always survive in the places that the events appear.  They will get one shotted in many cases.  Of course if you are a seasoned vet who has many alts then you would probably be able to avoid the normal map mobs and even take on enemies 10 lvls higher at lvl 20.

I found out that even with a very low level and a group of friends, you can go to fairly high levels without too much trouble.  Also remember that armour repair (or even replacement) is a lot cheaper if you're not lvl80!

During Halloween, there were those quests that gave you that glowing book.  One of the parts for it was in Sparkfly Fen.  I wanted that book on my ele, who was lvl10 or so at the time.  So, I fought (or rather, my friends did most of the fighting, I was mostly trying not to get hit :P) my way to Sparkfly and eventually got the book.  I was defeated several times, but I had crafted a spare armour and salvaged the broken pieces when I came back to LA.




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