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#1 Mahaedros

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 05:24 AM

During the beta weekends (i hope no other game company ever repeats beta weekends...) Anet said they were "testing" the gem store and asked people to use their credit card and buy gems that they could use and then they would get the gems back and be able to use all the gems again when the game released.

I wanted to help the game and Anet out because I really hyped up during the beta weekends and I was super excited about the game.  I purchased $50 worth of gems during the beta weekends and then, at release, I purchased another $50 worth of gems and I bought all the available bank tabs at the time and three extra character slots.

During my vacation later on that year I purchased another $50 worth of gems.

I don't regret the gem purchases and I've had fun (the most fun I have had outside of WvWvW was Halloween...).  But I would probably not have purchased the gems or even the game if I had known how it would have turned out as it is now.

The original game was worth the purchase price for sure and I had fun with it and I am still playing.

I read about people spending ludicrous amounts of money in the gem store...

Have you spent more on the cash shop than you would have for a monthly subscription model, like World of Warcraft?  ~12x15USD=180USD

#2 Gilles VI

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 05:52 AM

Nope, I don't understand why people use real cash to buy in-game stuff when everything is buyable with in-game gold (ofcourse when everyone thought like this it would stop..)

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 05:54 AM

I've spent a total of $25 on gems since release. I buy most of the stuff from the gem store with gold. I don't really feel the need to spend money on gems, however I've been meaning to spend some more, because after 3200hrs+ I still enjoy the game and I want to support arenanet.

Edited by Xephyr, 30 September 2013 - 05:57 AM.


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 06:33 AM

View PostGilles VI, on 30 September 2013 - 05:52 AM, said:

Nope, I don't understand why people use real cash to buy in-game stuff when everything is buyable with in-game gold (ofcourse when everyone thought like this it would stop..)
Mainly for 2 very simple reasons. Some people don't have time to play the game for hours each day because of work/families and various other commitments, and so when something comes along on the Gem store that they want they don't have the means to buy it with gold and so they can choose whether to not buy it at all or to throw some money at the devs for gems, essentially catching up to more active players by throwing a bit of money at the devs.

The second reason is people like me who have the time to play the game, but also have a income. And so since I've played this game for over a year and have put thousands of hours into it I can justify wasting some money every now and again simply to support the developers, even though I could buy anything I wanted in the gem shop with gold. Simply to show my appreciation for the continued development of the game.

OT: Since Launch I've spent about 75€ in the gem store, which is a little more then a third of what I would have spent on a subscription for a whole year.

Edited by Senatic, 30 September 2013 - 06:39 AM.


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 07:15 AM

Overall I've spent about the same as a sub fee would cost. I make it a point to support Anet when they release something I enjoy.

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 07:56 AM

I generally buy gems every couple of months or so, I have had (and still am having) great fun with Guild Wars 2 and want to support their business model.

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 08:50 AM

No.

1. I don't want to support NCSoft with my money.

2. I don't want to support the direction gw2 is developed to.

3. I don't want to support this whole shop that is the center of all updates instead of being an adition. I also don't want to support the idea of real money-->gold.

4. I don't see the reason to pay money if I could also buy it with ingame gold.

I bought some gems with gold at the release of the game for 3 Charslots. The only other thing I bought 100 gems with gold was the for the kitten (because the HoM cat looks like Garfield...), 400 gems coming from the AP-Reward-Chest.

I personally would be much happier with a shop like gw1 had: Very minimal but only real money.

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 08:51 AM

I've definitely spent more money on the Gemstore than I ever had spent on any subscription fee based MMORPG.

Kinda annoys me, but then again - I really don't like my in-game resources to diminish for pretty much nothing. As in - if I am working towards something like a legendary or a fancy exotic, I want to make progress - I am just single-mindedly slaving towards that goal until I reach it. Now buying a mining pick for 30 g just sets me back on that goal, no matter whether I have 100 or 1000 gold left in my pockets, so I rather spend the 10 €.

On the other side of that, I really don't like to "buy" gold through the gem shop, either. Paying 10 € and exchanging it for 25 gold or something just isn't something I am all too interested in (though I've done it once around Christmas last year).

So yeah, probably spent all sorts of filthy lucre for things such as character slots, bank slots, bag slots, gathering tools, make-over kits, transmutation stones, dye packs and mini-sets in the very beginning. It just adds up.

I remember RIGHT at the get go, on the day of launch I put in like 100 € - which I pretty much wasted away, but I just felt super-psyched about actually being able to play the game, I wanted to support the company with it. Unfortunately, that BETA feeling faded away over time and every time I now spend cash on it (though, has been 3 months since I last did, I believe) I do it rather begrudgingly, because the content I am offered isn't to my liking - but I still want that bone pick i.e. so my new main has his own set of gathering tools. Does that make sense?

But the single thing I'd not buy is that ♥♥♥♥ed up 'Infinite coin' - coins just barely drop from jumping puzzles, at least for me - and the sort of time investment you'd go through to make it through the SAB's tribulation mode without buying the coin, is retarded (just talking about the COIN FARMING). I'd rather punch repeatedly into a masticator than FARM hours on end, to access bi-weekly content. Offering an "easy solution" for that, just sets a very unsavoury precedent in my mind and I hope enough people withstood the temptation to send that message back to their monetisation manager loud and clear.

Somehow I doubt it, but one can hope, no?

That all said, playing GW 2 paradoxically strengthened my belief that it's better (FOR ME) to pay a monthly subscription than buy another B2P game where it just shows on all ends, that they have to make it less than optimally convenient for the player in order to have something to shelve their Cash Shop with.

Just my personal conclusion.

#9 Locuz

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 08:56 AM

View PostSwoopeh, on 30 September 2013 - 07:15 AM, said:

I make it a point to support Anet when they release something I enjoy.

Exactly. Whenever i feel like im getting something that is worth paying for or whenever i see possitive developments i purchase some.gems.

Edited by Locuz, 30 September 2013 - 08:57 AM.


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 09:16 AM

I just buy what i like and what i want. :)

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 10:03 AM

Haven't paid a single cent on that Arceus forsaken Gem Store. When ArenaNet gets his game together and starts only charging for the things that matter (namely well-developed content), I'll consider investing on their "need a second Yacht" fund.

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 10:04 AM

Close, but not quite. The thing is I get to choose which items I like, and pay when I want. If I don't have money, I don't need to pay to play.

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 10:29 AM

i pay a fix amount of 10€ per month. the game is worth it and i hate nothing more than freeloading.

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 10:46 AM

I have paid quite alot. I hate farming so when i need a bit of gold i just buy it with real money ;)

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 10:48 AM

Most likely.

Haven't spent much on it lately due to real-life but will probably start up again when my income stabilizes.

I do utilize the game after all and have no issues with giving the company creating it some of my money. I am after all free to give them money when I want and how much I want. Which is why I have no issues giving them money but would never pay a subscription for a game.

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 10:53 AM

Nope.
All my gems come through the currency exchange.

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 11:44 AM

I only buy gems with in-game gold. And I also got GW2 pre-purchase with the hero's ring for £20 due to someone messing up the prices within the first 12 hours of announcing it.

I think I gave them what the game's worth.

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 11:48 AM

Yes I have. A lot more! I don't regret it. I do regret wasted money on their RNG (read gambling) but that's the lesson I had to learn. And the gem store is optional after all so I'm glad to have done so.

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 12:37 PM

View PostSenatic, on 30 September 2013 - 06:33 AM, said:

Mainly for 2 very simple reasons. Some people don't have time to play the game for hours each day because of work/families and various other commitments, and so when something comes along on the Gem store that they want they don't have the means to buy it with gold and so they can choose whether to not buy it at all or to throw some money at the devs for gems, essentially catching up to more active players by throwing a bit of money at the devs.

The second reason is people like me who have the time to play the game, but also have a income. And so since I've played this game for over a year and have put thousands of hours into it I can justify wasting some money every now and again simply to support the developers, even though I could buy anything I wanted in the gem shop with gold. Simply to show my appreciation for the continued development of the game.

OT: Since Launch I've spent about 75€ in the gem store, which is a little more then a third of what I would have spent on a subscription for a whole year.

Time spent in-game shouldn't matter if you're good with economics.
I spend like 4-5 per week in-game and I make plenty of gold to buy all the things I want in the gem-shop (within reason ofc).
GW2 is just different than most MMO's because time-spent doesn't always equal gold-acquired.

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 12:57 PM

I spent about $50 on the game in the beginning to get bank tabs, transmutation stones, etc. Haven't spent a dime since. However, I would have no problem paying a subscription for a game I like. I don't think $0.50 cents a day on average is that much to spend on a game that you like.

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 01:00 PM

View PostXephyr, on 30 September 2013 - 05:54 AM, said:

I've spent a total of $25 on gems since release. I buy most of the stuff from the gem store with gold. I don't really feel the need to spend money on gems, however I've been meaning to spend some more, because after 3200hrs+ I still enjoy the game and I want to support arenanet.

I'm about the same. 25$

Some bank tabs and character slots early. So worth it, since you have it forever.

I don't mind giving them some money...they are a company after all and I enjoy their product.



I buy up gems now with gold however; checking on the price and only buying when below a certain level.

It's fun to me. Currency speculation sort-a kinda.
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#22 Kratimas

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 01:09 PM

I have not.

I have bought 2 $15 cards and my son has bought 1 $15 card for his account from Beta to Today.

I don't mind supporting ANet at all because both me and my son enjoy playing the game.

There just really isn't anything in the shop that we need or want for now.

Hopefully they will add something we like, but for now I don't see us buying any more gems in the near future.

Edited by Kratimas, 30 September 2013 - 01:12 PM.


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 02:01 PM

View PostGilles VI, on 30 September 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:

Time spent in-game shouldn't matter if you're good with economics.
I spend like 4-5 per week in-game and I make plenty of gold to buy all the things I want in the gem-shop (within reason ofc).
GW2 is just different than most MMO's because time-spent doesn't always equal gold-acquired.

So you spend 4-5 hours per week and all you do is farm or playing the TP? Well I commend you, but the reality of the situation is that most people with that amount of time to spend on the game do not waste them on something as mundane as grinding for gold.

And you are dead wrong, more time spent absolutely means more possibility for improved income. There is no arguing that fact. Out of curiosity, how much do you make in those 4-5 hours each week?

Edited by Senatic, 30 September 2013 - 02:06 PM.


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 02:07 PM

Less than a sub.

And some of that was wasted on dye packs (cheaper on TP), and minipets.

For me, it's a psychological thing.  I have a really hard time with sub-based games, b/c I feel I have to play to get my money's worth. I usually play sub games for a month or two, then cancel.

GW2 I can take a week or more off, and feel fine.  I try to buy stuff when there's content I enjoy, and not buy things when updates are not as good...  voting with my wallet.

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 03:27 PM

I have spent about $500 in the game over the last year.  That is more than a regular subscription fee but in my opinion I have gotten good value.  I have purchase a wide assortment of items including minis, skins, char slots, bank slots, name changes, make over kits, skins, costumes, RNG boxes, keys, 5 harvesting sets, gold, etc…  I feel that $500 over a year is pretty good value.  You go to a concert it is $300-400, a hockey game you are looking at $200-300, even a movie is $40-50 with snacks.  (All prices are per couple) . If I also consider the thousands of hours of entertainment that GW1 gave me I feel like the Guild Wars franchise is the cheapest form of entertainment I have ever purchased.    When I compare it to games like Diablo 3, Star Craft 2, and Dragon Age 2  that I got bored of in a couple of weeks I feel extremely satisfied by the GW2 product.

A lot of people on this forum do not seem to understand why people such as me buy gems.  To be honest I have the opposite problem.  I do not understand why there are people that convert in game gold for gems.  Let me give you an example.  Someone in Lion’s Arch was saying how great the Scarlet invasions were and he was making about 5 gold per hour farming the invasions.  I played the invasions and after the first few times thought they were extremely boring and not something I would do for entertainment.   After I got the achievement I never played it again. To put the example into context let take a havesting sickle in the GEM store.  It cost 800 GEMS around 42 gold.  To me that is over 8 hours of work farming an event to earn enough for a sickle.  I can purchase the sickle for $10 which is less than 15 working minutes of overtime.   For a player like me who does not farm it would probably take me a month or more to save up 42 gold.  Why would I convert all that effort into a sickle when I could simple purchase it?

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 03:35 PM

View Postchristiansoldier, on 30 September 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

I have spent about $500 in the game over the last year.  That is more than a regular subscription fee but in my opinion I have gotten good value.  I have purchase a wide assortment of items including minis, skins, char slots, bank slots, name changes, make over kits, skins, costumes, RNG boxes, keys, 5 harvesting sets, gold, etc…  I feel that $500 over a year is pretty good value.  You go to a concert it is $300-400, a hockey game you are looking at $200-300, even a movie is $40-50 with snacks.  (All prices are per couple) . If I also consider the thousands of hours of entertainment that GW1 gave me I feel like the Guild Wars franchise is the cheapest form of entertainment I have ever purchased. When I compare it to games like Diablo 3, Star Craft 2, and Dragon Age 2  that I got bored of in a couple of weeks I feel extremely satisfied by the GW2 product.

A lot of people on this forum do not seem to understand why people such as me buy gems.  To be honest I have the opposite problem.  I do not understand why there are people that convert in game gold for gems.  Let me give you an example.  Someone in Lion’s Arch was saying how great the Scarlet invasions were and he was making about 5 gold per hour farming the invasions.  I played the invasions and after the first few times thought they were extremely boring and not something I would do for entertainment.   After I got the achievement I never played it again. To put the example into context let take a havesting sickle in the GEM store.  It cost 800 GEMS around 42 gold.  To me that is over 8 hours of work farming an event to earn enough for a sickle.  I can purchase the sickle for $10 which is less than 15 working minutes of overtime.   For a player like me who does not farm it would probably take me a month or more to save up 42 gold.  Why would I convert all that effort into a sickle when I could simple purchase it?

Actually, I would say in your case, the subscription model is much less attractive because you pay to play the game and don't have the option to circumvent the normal need for farming to get in game stuff.

In this case, you paid for, and got, exactly what you wanted without having to do anything boring. I suppose if I liked a game enough, I would find the same thing to be beneficial to me. However, I still wouldn't be able to look in the mirror after spending $500 on digital game when I could think of all the other things I could spend it on. I'm not saying you are wrong - because the entertainment budget always seems to be the one that is the most subjective.

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 03:41 PM

No.

I have not spent any money on gems.

I did receive some gems for gifts last Christmas, of which I spent 1440 toward 3 bank tab expansions and 600 toward 1 character slot expansion when those items were on sale.  I would not have purchased these gems myself, so I'm not sure how these should be counted.  Even if I had bought them, the 2040 gems translates to approximately less than $30 USD.  Over the span of a full year, that works out to less than $2.50 USD per month - which is vastly cheaper than any of the P2P rates that I know of.

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 03:41 PM

It's best not to judge what people value.

If I spent $500 on a dinner once, would you say I am a fool?

I'm sure if people told me all the things they spend money on, I would find something that was "not worth it" to me.

Edited by Mordakai, 30 September 2013 - 03:44 PM.


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 03:47 PM

I think i'm either equal or just a bit lower than a sub fee would have cost me. I guess i just prefer having the option to pay stuff if i want instead of having to pay to play. For example, i haven't bought anything in the past three months due to just plain having no money to spend for a bit because of university costs. However the month before that i bought €50 worth of gems. Whenever i see something neat in the gem store and i have some money left over, sure, why the hell not. It's a better option for me than gather ~40g to convert, which would take me weeks instead of the 10 or so euros, which i can get in an hour of work.

No regrets though. I like the game enough for it.

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 04:05 PM

View PostMordakai, on 30 September 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

It's best not to judge what people value.

If I spent $500 on a dinner once, would you say I am a fool?

I'm sure if people told me all the things they spend money on, I would find something that was "not worth it" to me.

It depends, if you are living paycheck to paycheck or don't make a lot of money I would say you are a fool - and I would be right!

I have no problem calling people fools for paying money for cigarettes. Sometimes, context matters.




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