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#1 Maldeus

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:26 PM

So at this stage I'm mostly just the guy who wrote that lore summary once and drops by like once every year to contribute something, probably half-finished, and then leaves because Guild Wars 2 just hasn't held my attention the way it used to before it was released. Today I'm switching things up by theorizing about stuff that was discovered over a year ago because only now have I gotten around to theorizing about it, and I wanted to post my conclusions somewhere.

Anyways. I made a map.

Obviously, this is some terrible MS Paint applied to the globe map, but I needed some way of referring to the eight or so unknown lands scattered about and this is a handy reference.

So first of all, the three continents and battle isles were pretty easy to match up because someone else made this map, and plus the coastlines are mostly unaltered. That said, I didn't use that map as a baseline because it actually gets Tyria's dimensions wrong. If you look at the coastlines of northern Tyria, you'll notice that GW2 Tyria should be shrunk from the west and stretched to the north in order to make that little hump on the Maguuma Jungle match the coastline on the globe. Also, we saw slightly more of the north in GW1's Eye of the North expansion.

Bookkeeping aside, I've been thinking about what kind of new continents we might go to in expansions. Obviously the first on the list of suspects are the places we've already been: Cantha and Elona. Both of them show significant coastline changes from their GW1 incarnations. Cantha's Shing Jea Island is now a peninsula, plus there's the possibility that the Jade Sea has melted into actual water again (although the globe shows no such sea). Elona has a giant lake right around where the border between the Desolation and Vabbi used to be, near the place where Palawa Joko snuck into Vabbi from the Desolation like six hundred years ago the first time he tried to conquer Elona. Maybe Vabbi flooded it in an effort to stop him from slipping through there again? Didn't really work out for them if they did. Either way, there's evidence that ANet has redesigned these areas the same way they've redesigned Tyria, which could mean we're going back to them.

On the other hand, look at Tyria's coastline, especially the harbor area near Lion's Arch and Rata Sum and such. There's a lot of coastline detail there. Cantha and Elona don't show nearly as much detail, whereas the places I've labeled Human Homelands and Harpy Homelands (both of which are implied but not confirmed true) have a surprisingly large amount of coastline detail. Also look at how big Tyria is compared with Elona and Cantha. In GW1 these continents were implied to be of about the same size, but we never actually saw them on the same map. On this globe, Tyria is slightly bigger than Cantha and nearly twice the size of Elona. It's possible that Cantha and Elona will be bundled with the Human Homelands and Harpy Homelands, respectively (it's also possible, especially with the Harpy Homelands, that the border won't stretch nearly as far east as the box on my map).

The Ash Legion Homelands and Kogan Homelands are decent expansion fodder, and both for the same reason. Both of them are already hinted at and both of them have reasonably likely expansion locations on this globe. Particularly the Ash Legion, whose actual homelands would probably only be the northwestern fifth or so of the block I've assigned to them (the rest of it is labeled the same for lack of anything better to call the place), and who are right next to a big huge sea or lake or whatever. Compare to the rest of the northeastern area, which is basically blank. The fact that ANet bothered to put something there at all, combined with how much they didn't put into more distant areas and the fact that we already know there's something out there to explore (specifically, the Ash Legion homeland), all suggest that they probably have plans for this place. Although those plans may well be extremely vague and quite possibly are limited to "yeah, we might do something over there and we think it'd be cool if there was a giant lake."

Finally there are the "Kogan Lands" which I have labeled as such based on the extremely tenuous connection that in GW1 there used to be a PvP place in the Maguuma Jungle called Fort Koga which was shut down like six years ago, and in its description it mentioned that they traded with people to the west. And that might not even still be canon, but still, it's terribly interesting that just west of Fort Koga is a really great place to put a port to trade with whatever's on those big islands out west.

Concerning Utopia; Guild Wars: Utopia was going to be a fourth campaign for GW1 but it was cancelled because the team decided they wanted to make GW2 instead. They still have a ton of concept art and background material for it, however, and they haven't thrown it away. This means that any island could theoretically be the Utopia island, including one or both of the Kogan islands, the northwest isle, the southwest isles, the southern isles, or the southeast isles. Utopia is an island that travels through time, which means it could be that weird hollow island in the southwest area, leaving only beaches behind until the Utopia island phases into the current time. That said: That island is tiny and probably couldn't support an entire expansion on its own. Although since Utopia is a time portal, a Utopia expansion could have an island which is only one region big and then the rest of the expansion is all in the past or the future or whatever.

There's also the northeast reach, which is just blank, barren land. Wooden Potatoes, who made an excellent video on the subject, suggests that the dragons may have eaten all of it the last time they were awake, and the six gods just didn't bother to rebuild it. His theory is plausible, sensible, and interesting, but also little more than an educated guess. As opposed to my theories, which are obviously prophecies handed down by the god of video games. I think ANet just wanted to leave themselves a bunch of essentially blank map to fill in with whatever they wanted. It's also possible that these are the actual Harpy homelands, since they certainly look awfully barren and they are east of Elona (although they are as much north as east).

While we're talking about the Wooden Potatoes video, he talks about how large chunks of the globe are covered in red, but not Tyria, and how this could indicate that the dragons have eaten everything. Mainland Cantha, however, is also covered in red. It wasn't devoured last time we checked, but it was  suffering the side effects of Shiro Tagachi's death scream, which turned water to jade, trees to stone, and caused a horrible overpopulation problem everywhere else. I'm undecided on the plausibility of the theory, but it's interesting.

Tune in next year when I make the first three episodes of a Let's Play before losing interest.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 01:47 PM

Great read!

Dear god I want an expansion.......

#3 Maldeus

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 08:55 AM

As do I. I am beginning to despair of our ever seeing one.

Fun fact, though: I was going to post this in the Durmand Priory in the first place, but eventually decided against it because it was more ruminating about expansion plans than about lore. And those expansion plans may have been abandoned entirely. Drat.

#4 Konig Des Todes

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 05:04 AM

Note: I did not read the post. I just looked at the map. A few things:

1) East of the Blazeridge Mountains lie the Blood Legion territory, including their Blood Citadel.
2) Harpy homelands are Dzalana, which don't reach that far.
3) We know humans reached Cantha via boats, and landed in the northeastern parts of Cantha. Given the map, this places their homeland to be what you dubbed the "Southwest Isle" - note that while Jeff mentioned south of Cantha, he said that they *may* have come south of Cantha *or Elona* - he isn't technically false, but it would be a red herring. The only way for his line ot make sense without the map being false would be for the homeland being your "Southern Isles" - though note that the landmass at the bottom matches the edges of the landmass at the top.
4) The Kodan "homelands" was the arctic seas. They thrived on the iceberg ships - no actual land territories do they own.
5) "Kogan"? Is that meant to be a play off of the Krogan, or the Kodan? Either way, makes me laugh and shake my head as it just sounds silly as a name given the two.

I'll, possibly, read through the post itself when I have a few less things on my plate. I need to stop distracting myself. >.>

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 09:12 AM

From the post, most of that stuff is in there as largely speculative markers because he had to label things something.

"Kogan", specifically, is a reference to Fort Koga and the idea that whoever the fort was built to facilitate trade with would be somewhere in that direction - I was wondering where that had come from myself until I got to the explanation in the text. :o
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Posted 21 November 2013 - 10:26 PM

Fort Koga was for Krytan trade - a fort along the trade route to the western coast. Most likely during the Guild Wars as Orr/Orrian guilds no doubt blockaded the Strait of Malchor - the Krytan and Canthan trade hadn't ceased despite the Guild Wars, after all.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 11:19 AM

Konig, you're still just complaining about things already explained in the post. If you want to discuss the post, I must recommend that you read it.

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 02:29 PM

View PostKonig Des Todes, on 21 November 2013 - 10:26 PM, said:

Fort Koga was for Krytan trade - a fort along the trade route to the western coast. Most likely during the Guild Wars as Orr/Orrian guilds no doubt blockaded the Strait of Malchor - the Krytan and Canthan trade hadn't ceased despite the Guild Wars, after all.
Yes, I'm aware, and Maldeus was aware.

He used "Kogan" purely as a short-form for "the hypothetical civilisation that Kryta may have traded with using the trade route Fort Koga was built on". May be, as you said, that that was Cantha (except that I think Cantha did suspend trade with Tyria during the Guild Wars, only resuming after the Searing and Cataclysm) but, basically, "Kogan" is just a placeholder for "western continent". (Which, tbh, is the term I probably would have used myself, but I'm not going to call foul on the usage that was made coupled with the explanation in the post).
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Posted 27 November 2013 - 03:02 PM

the gw books explain what happened especially the flood between cantha and tyria. dragons rose up along with Orr and flooded that whole region. ( coby marriner explorations)  the book has a more recent map then that of gw1 after the flood.. its safe to say this altered the whole globe.




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