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#1 Kurr

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 10:47 PM

I recently logged into guildwarsguru.com for the first time in a really long time and looked through my post history there. The only part I was really active was posting pictures of my armors, and wow some of those armor sets still look amazing today.

Here's my old photobucket account which is mostly just guild wars pictures
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What I really miss are :
-Good heavy armors! So many choices. In GW2, I hate pretty much all of them.
-Good medium/assassin armors. There are a couple of decent ones in GW2.
-Armors made PER PROFESSION and not PER SET OF PROFESSIONS. What a difference it makes to have an armor suited to your character! I know some people like going outside of the box and getting something different, but there was also that ability in GW1 (mesmer pirate armor for example). Looking back though, wow it makes a huge difference when an assassin looks like one, or at least an agile fighter / ninja!
-HOW EASY IT WAS TO GET NEW ARMOR SETS!! Can't stress this enough.

If you look, I literally went through dozens of armor and weapon sets for my warrior, mesmer, dervish and assassin and had a few armor sets even for my lesser characters and those are only the ones I posted. I had tons more. That's because so many of them were interesting! From simple to fascinating, colorful to gritty, it just had it right. In GW2, so many people have flashing armor that I can barely recognize past the glow of their fractal backpiece or ridiculous helms.

In GW1, I took thousands of screenshots of not just my armors, but people in towns when I thought they were wearing something cool. I barely do this in GW2, it's rare that I see someone and think "awesome mix!". Mixing and matching was a lot easier in GW1, in GW2 you need fine transmutation stones because of the stats on the equipment which might put people off of doing it I suppose.


THIS is what's missing for me in Guild Wars 2. Nevermind the Living Story -- I made a post about how I dislike it before --, nevermind the lore which I miss enormously, nevermind the teamwork based gameplay which I also miss... what I really miss is the ability to customize my character with tons of great looking armors and weapons, each of them uniquely made for that character class --- and the ability to do so EASILY.


That's not to say I hate GW2's armor system completely. I love a few of the armors. The dye system in GW2 is great. The variety in armors and weapons however, wow... I remember when I first started GW2 I was shocked by it but kind of forgot about it after playing non stop like a Zombie for a year, I kind of just accepted it. But looking back at old GW1 pictures... WHAT HAPPENED!? These GW1 armors overall still look vastly superior to GW2 armors, in my opinion, and they were easy to acquire.

Not being able to dye weapons means there's usually only a couple of choices to match your armor.

In GW2, you are stuck with limited choices (most of them look pretty generic pre-level 80 armors; the crafted armors are also all pretty bad) and the fact that equipment with good stats is way harder to acquire makes a huge difference (ascended, especially with armor coming soon).

I definitely feel more attached to my armor sets in GW2 (because getting 9k AP or full arah for some armor pieces is a lot of work) but I really do miss the variety. In GW1, I had 4-5 bank pages completely filled with different armors.

I'm not sure if I'm alone in this or not, but man I really miss it. I know it's probably a weird complaint for a lot of you because Guild Wars 2 looks good and there's a lot of variety and options, but it just doesn't compare to Guild Wars 1 in my opinon.

Guild Wars 1 as far as armor variety and such, 9/10. Guild Wars 2 is more a 7/10 or so. Still decent, but outclassed by it's predecessor. I know expansions make a difference, but think about it this way : every new item in Guild Wars 2 is either RNG, Gem Store, or Living Story. It's a pain or expensive to get a lot of these new things. You didn't have that problem in GW1... they just added items and you could have a blast getting what you wanted without playing for a month just to get 1 piece because it's so expensive.

Even dyes... yeah I love the system, but they are so freakishly expensive, even when in comparison to 10k for black or white dyes. Especially considering it's character and not account wide unlocks... hope you like paying 100g for a dye if you want that particular color (not surprisingly, a lot of the VIBRANT colors are all gem-store dyes! In comparison, a lot of the regular dyes are very dull). And then paying it again for your next character!


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I realize this sounds a lot like a rant without a point (it is I suppose), so here are some small suggestions for improvements ANet could do :

-Add a few profession specific armor sets (2-3) gradually
-Add 1 profession + race specific armor set. I know this would be a lot of work but these could be really iconic in the long term.
-Ability to dye weapons, this would fix a lot of issues with matching weapons + armors and could really make certain weapons no one really uses shine with cool dye jobs.
-Dyes unlocked account wide
-Lower the gem cost of Fine Transmutation Crystals OR go back to how it used to be and have them be more easily acquired through regular PvE play.
-Don't add armors and weapons through RNG only or Living Story only... once in a while just add a set acquired through regular long term gameplay. That way it's not just this week's new item but something players can enjoy at any time!
-Add cloaks to the game as back items. Also guild ones of course, but a bunch of them!
-Add 15K Canthan warrior armor back in the game. Please?

Edited by Kurr, 22 November 2013 - 01:25 AM.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 10:58 PM

I don't want to quote the entire post again so I won't . I agree with everything you said.

PLUS I miss the being able to combine dyes and make a sorta unique color, like my Elem lime green armor that was da bomb.
Yeah been so unhappy with whole armor and dye thing for ever with GW2.

Yeah GW1 (gets the mile long look in the eyes)

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 11:07 PM

I actually prefer the current dye system over Guild Wars 1's. Most the time you're able to get a huge variety in colors for a few gold, and you're able to swap dyes back and forth as many times as you want. Sure, black and abyss dye are crazy expensive, but there are plenty of close alternatives like iron and midnight ice that you can get for much cheaper.

Being able to dye weapons is the only thing I'm sad about not being possible. I'm usually able to work around it by matching the dyes with the weapons, but come on, how cool would a red Dreamthistle weapon be?

Armor? Eh, maybe 50/50 on that. I would definitely like to see some classics return, particularly the monk scar patters and the 15k kurzick armor. Maybe some Grotto armor and a couple pieces of the endgame Central Transfer Chamber pieces. OH, and definitely the norn armor. Oh, who am I kidding. I would like to see the entire GW1 armor catalogue brought over to Guild Wars 2...

That's not to say what we have now is terrible though. Have you been down to the screenshot forum? Some people come up with some amazing armor combos out of pieces I never thought of using.

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#4 Kurr

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 11:13 PM

I certainly agree that the dye system in GW2 in superior to in GW1, especially with the previewing of the entire armor (kind of wish we could dye pieces differently in preview but not a big deal). My biggest qualm like I mentioned is that almost all of the vibrant colors are from the RNG packs and end up costing 50-100g+ each.

There's a big difference between the Glacial Sky or Deep Glacial Sky and the other blue dyes for example. Nothing comes even close to being as vibrant, and I personally am not a fan of dull colors on my armors (rarely it works well so I can get away with a cheap dye, like my t1 cultural on my sylvari ranger).

View PostNeo Nugget, on 21 November 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:

That's not to say what we have now is terrible though. Have you been down to the screenshot forum? Some people come up with some amazing armor combos out of pieces I never thought of using.

Yep, if you go through my post history I've posted a few pictures of my warrior, thief, mesmer, elementalist and ranger.

But the variety is what's tough. I can't really afford to get 10 armor sets for my warrior essentially. I've been through 4 or 5 of them, and it's not because I thought they all looked good. It's because I'm trying to find ONE that I enjoy. I'm still on the fence about my current set up.

Oh and when I get a new set I end up having to delete my old set to keep my stats usually (with transmutation). That's also a big difference. I only have a few pieces I kept because they were hard to acquire, so I ended up having to acquire another helm with the stats I wanted to mix with the look I wanted for example. Gets annoying.

Edited by Kurr, 21 November 2013 - 11:18 PM.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:48 AM

Ya, the dye system in GW2 is one of its strong points. The armor in GW1 was magnificent. I'd love to have my monk tattoos or Primeval warrior armor back.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 02:29 AM

View PostEl Duderino, on 22 November 2013 - 12:48 AM, said:

Ya, the dye system in GW2 is one of its strong points. The armor in GW1 was magnificent. I'd love to have my monk tattoos or Primeval warrior armor back.

You mean like this? Or was your point that you can only get it from the gemstore?

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 02:41 AM

View PostNerfHerder, on 22 November 2013 - 02:29 AM, said:



You mean like this? Or was your point that you can only get it from the gemstore?

No it has nothing to do with the gemstore, it just doesn't look as good as it did in GW1. Maybe it's just my rose colored glasses...

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 06:03 AM

View PostEl Duderino, on 22 November 2013 - 12:48 AM, said:

Ya, the dye system in GW2 is one of its strong points. The armor in GW1 was magnificent. I'd love to have my monk tattoos or Primeval warrior armor back.

The base model for tatoos are already in the game for the Norn and for Necromancer, I do not see why they could not make tatoo based armor.  I really want it back!

View PostEl Duderino, on 22 November 2013 - 02:41 AM, said:

No it has nothing to do with the gemstore, it just doesn't look as good as it did in GW1. Maybe it's just my rose colored glasses...

The Guild Wars 2 version is a direct copy-paste from GW1 into GW2.  It looks a lot worse because the GW2 characters are "bigger" and have a different style of composition (GW1 characters were physically smaller and less big on the screen, due to them just being floating models, and not having weight for jumping and swimming, etc).  They really need to update it to fit the new art style and model size.
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Posted 22 November 2013 - 07:29 AM

View Postdavadude, on 22 November 2013 - 06:03 AM, said:

The Guild Wars 2 version is a direct copy-paste from GW1 into GW2.

GW1 Female and GW1 Male. GW2 Female and wow there actually aren't any pictures of GW2 males wearing this armor that I can find atm (really tired, my apologies).

If they did directly copy/paste the armors over, they heavily modified this one. I never got Krytan or whatever the light armor is in GW1 so I can't comment on those. But my warrior was always in Primeval ever since I got it. Once I saw it was in the gem store I immediately thought "omg I'm getting that" until I saw the preview. It is *very* ugly as it is, almost looks like plastic. After seeing it on a few asura it doesn't look that bad on them, but no one likes asura.

View PostBaron von Scrufflebutt, on 22 November 2013 - 06:35 AM, said:

...I say this as a guy that plays charr/norn/asura exclusively, the game would be better if humans were the only playable race.

Have to agree with this. Though most of my characters are already human. They just look better than the other races imo =/

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 09:36 AM

In a game with aesthetics as the main motivator, its beyond me why they wouldnt draw from the gw1 catalog of armor far more then they have, in both looks and number of options.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:47 PM

View PostEl Duderino, on 22 November 2013 - 02:41 AM, said:

No it has nothing to do with the gemstore, it just doesn't look as good as it did in GW1. Maybe it's just my rose colored glasses...

I've found it looks mostly the same except for the helm. There's something about it that just seems...different, though I haven't been able to put my finger on it.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 01:18 PM

View PostNeo Nugget, on 22 November 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

I've found it looks mostly the same except for the helm. There's something about it that just seems...different, though I haven't been able to put my finger on it.

On top of the helm, the plate was strait in GW1 and in GW2 he make a little cap that go forward on top of the forehead.

Overall i prefer the armor system of GW2 over GW1. I dye system is way better and allow you to try different color overtime to adjust to your weapons or just to change once in a while. The fact that you have 3 kind of armor and you can use any piece of your class of armor to make your own is just awesome. All my character have mix of armor and I prefer to be able to find a nice combination. I think i made a good job on some of my character, but there is also some creative people that still make me say WOW dude nice armor.

Still i really want more option out there. They only gave us new single item, but no new complete set of armor, except in the Germ Store.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 02:24 PM

You and me both! Honestly I don't understand why they're going for this ridiculous Koreanish style MMO when GW1 had an awesome Medieval Fantasy feel to it. Armor acquisition made more sense in GW1 too. I mean you would pay a specialized armor smith... who presumably made the armor. Now it's like "OH HAI GUIZ I AM MYSTERIOUS VENDER WITH BAGS FULL OF ARMOR AND SWORD AND STUFFS THAT I WILL GIVE YOU FOR THoSE POINTLESS TOKENS> IDK WUT I DO WIT TOKENS BUT THEY ARE SHINY AND FUN AND SO I WANT THEM!"

It's just kind of dumb, ya know?

View Postdavadude, on 22 November 2013 - 06:03 AM, said:

The Guild Wars 2 version is a direct copy-paste from GW1 into GW2.

That's not how making video games works! It might be very similar. They might have tried to copy it, when they remodeled it. It is not the same, though. Yes character models and camera PoV might play into it, to some extent, but really it just doesn't work in GW2s engine, or something went wrong in the remodeling process and they made the surface all weird... I don't know, I'm not a doctor. I do know that it wasn't a direct copy pasta.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 02:39 PM

I also miss the GW1 armors.  To me, the GW1 armors offered a much wider variety and superior set of styles than GW2.  Perhaps it's because I prefer having fantasy-based and medieval style armors (like GW1 had) in a fantasy game, instead of the Victorian, pseudo-steampunk armors found in GW2.  Or maybe it's just because I feel trenchcoats and buttcapes should be the rare exception rather than the standard.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:03 PM

View Postdavadude, on 22 November 2013 - 06:03 AM, said:

The base model for tatoos are already in the game for the Norn and for Necromancer, I do not see why they could not make tatoo based armor.  I really want it back!

The Guild Wars 2 version is a direct copy-paste from GW1 into GW2.  It looks a lot worse because the GW2 characters are "bigger" and have a different style of composition (GW1 characters were physically smaller and less big on the screen, due to them just being floating models, and not having weight for jumping and swimming, etc).  They really need to update it to fit the new art style and model size.

My favorite armor in the game was my Asuran Cultural Tier 3 armor. I loved it. I just am not impressed with a lot. I remember going through the GW2 armor site and looking at what I wanted for other characters and never really seeing anything that exciting.

View PostNeo Nugget, on 22 November 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

I've found it looks mostly the same except for the helm. There's something about it that just seems...different, though I haven't been able to put my finger on it.

+1. (no more "likes" to give :()

I just looked at them and they are indeed nearly identical. Maybe I never really noticed before.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:40 PM

View PostEl Duderino, on 22 November 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

My favorite armor in the game was my Asuran Cultural Tier 3 armor. I loved it. I just am not impressed with a lot. I remember going through the GW2 armor site and looking at what I wanted for other characters and never really seeing anything that exciting.

They need to add more varieties of armor.  It's what I feel the living story did wrong... we should have vendors with new armor and weapon types for every major update to up the variety and types of armor.  The designs they could have made with the bazaar of the winds and these recent updates.
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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:56 PM

View Postdavadude, on 22 November 2013 - 03:40 PM, said:

They need to add more varieties of armor.  It's what I feel the living story did wrong... we should have vendors with new armor and weapon types for every major update to up the variety and types of armor.  The designs they could have made with the bazaar of the winds and these recent updates.

I totally agree. I think there is room, too, for having armor in the gem store for people while also having armor in the world that you can craft through a vendor like the old days - or at least to buy a recipe to craft. I haven't played for a while, but does it seem like crafting armor and weapons is kind of useless?

I mean, it could be really useful if you could craft cool armor skins and then you would have to use transmutation stones to use them with ascended gear. Now the gem store is profiting either way and people can access cool armor skins through normal playing as well.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 04:18 PM

View PostEl Duderino, on 22 November 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

I just looked at them and they are indeed nearly identical. Maybe I never really noticed before.

The helm and boots are a little different and the chest plate is a bit different in shape. The main thing for me is the texture though. The armor in GW1 almost looks like stone. In GW2 is looks like plastic. I think the helm in GW2 is better, but the spikes are much more... organic? in GW1.

I also miss the scar/paint patterns. I remember how cool it was when I finally got the 15k bone lace or the 1.5k monk armor (I loved the combo of tattoo and cloth). Or the Kurzick Ritualist armors. The only Obsidian armor I liked was the necromancer, but man was that cool.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 04:24 PM

I completely agree with this.. Probably the thing I am most disappointed with in this game is the lack of armors but more specifically the lack of more "class specific armors" much like they had in gw1. I understand why they didnt implement it but the least they could do was add more armors that would maybe fit another class more.. Instead when you make a medium Human (I understand Norn Cult isnt this way) character almost (if not all) armors are thief/ninja like.. SO if  you are a thief then you have no worries but being a ranger I have next to no options if I want to go that more naturey looking route.. For example.. One of my favorite armors from guild wars 1 was the Elite Druid set, just had that real ranger feel to it. But not so much where they couldnt add it and other medium classes couldn't choose it if they wanted a more nature theme too. But oh well I seem to always end up ranting about this one thing.. I love this game a lot but this one thing always really gets to me xD

Example here (yes i have the mask of mo zing on.. I used it for SoOsc which must of been the last thing i did, thats why it doesnt match xD)

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 04:50 PM

View PostArrows Jack, on 22 November 2013 - 04:24 PM, said:

I completely agree with this.. Probably the thing I am most disappointed with in this game is the lack of armors but more specifically the lack of more "class specific armors" much like they had in gw1.

This is something that I miss too. Class specific armor just seems so... right. I mean, the Elite Luxon Necro armor was SWEET! But, it doesn't really belong on anything but a necromancer, IMO.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 05:35 PM

Deldrimor armor, still my favorite armor set till this day.
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But i agree, we could use some more armor skins.
Maybe living story where we can relife the old battles and get these kind of amors as a reward.

But the content should be available permanently imo.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 06:55 PM

View PostEl Duderino, on 22 November 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

I haven't played for a while, but does it seem like crafting armor and weapons is kind of useless?

They're not useless, as they offer some unique designs, but unless you really fall for the designs, there is no real justification for getting to 400 or even 500.  Adding unique armors as vendors, dungeon/instance rewards, and as crafting recipes is an awesome ideas.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 07:23 PM

I mostly miss the class armors

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 08:12 PM

View Postdavadude, on 22 November 2013 - 06:55 PM, said:

They're not useless, as they offer some unique designs, but unless you really fall for the designs, there is no real justification for getting to 400 or even 500.  Adding unique armors as vendors, dungeon/instance rewards, and as crafting recipes is an awesome ideas.

*goes to official forums to suggest*

Well, that's kinda what I mean. There is, what, one crafted exotic armor? And, it is really kind of lame at that.

If I was a developer, I would have a team that made sweet rare armor designs and then every time the recipe was released, I would put a sale on transmutation stones. Watch the gem sales start rolling in.

Edit: Tell them a bitter old grinch of an ex-GW2 player suggested it. :P

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 09:27 PM

Yes GW1 armors where so much better.  I had the Obsidian (Fissure of Woe) armor for my Necro and it was sweet.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 03:44 AM

I'm happy to see I'm not alone in my feelings. I wasn't sure if I was crazy or not with nostalgia :lol:.

Man just looking back at my pictures on my photobucket is rough. I almost want to just say screw it and go play GW1 again even though I've played it to death several times over, even if I know a few days later I would be bored again from lack of things to do on my existing characters. The assassin armors are just so epic IMO... the orange 15k luxon or black monument armors with the mask... just great! Then the 15k warrior cantha armor in white with destroyer gloves and the magma shield... miss it quite a lot.

Unrelated but looking back, my very last picture on that account is back from around when I got Legendary Survivor when Factions came out. Best gaming memory ever I think. Those epic 2 gladiator points! I hadn't played too much of Prophecies before Factions came out and had just played casually, but once Factions came out I was hooked for life. I will never forget at 1.1 million exp, apparently clearing an area, going to the bathroom and coming back to 2 vermins hitting me down to 100 HP with bleeding active. Heart-attack moment for sure.

*EDIT : I went on GWW and now remember how awesome the hero armors were too. Damn you Kahmu, you beautiful person.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 04:24 AM

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 01:53 AM

Most of the GW1 armors aren't that good looking (almost every warrior armor have a damn skirt >_>). I usually mixed and matched the armor pieces, just like I do on GW2. I'd love to see Charr Hide armor (> :D) Ranger Norn and Platemail armor on GW2 though. But do we really want male elementalist robes? Really?

Oh god, make it stop.

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#29 Neo Nugget

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 08:21 AM

View PostEchou, on 24 November 2013 - 01:53 AM, said:

But do we really want male elementalist robes?

But at the same time, mother may I...

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#30 Robsy128

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 09:41 AM

I always mixed and matched my armours in GW1 because that was the only way to stay unique. I always had people PMing me, asking what armour set I was wearing and I had to give them a breakdown. It's the same in Guild Wars 2 now as well. Now, I don't mind saving up 50 gold and spending that on the armour in the gem store. However, I do really think we need cheaper armour available in-game. No more of this Black Lion Ticket stuff, either. We need good-looking armours that are specifically designed for the races, because at the moment that is the main problem.

Some asura, norn, sylvari and charr look great. But almost every single armour set looks so much better on the humans. So I propose that they make more cultural armours to fit the needs of those races and offer more mid-level choices, other than 'pirate' (I was stuck with that set throughout level 40-60, which was fine but it got a little old quite fast). I'd also prefer more high-level choices when it comes to cultural gear. We should be able to buy exotic gear from the vendors with the maximum stats available, rather than having to spend 20 gold on each set and then having to spend either money or 30 gold to transmute it!

I'm fond of the cultural races, but I do want better high-end options other than fishnet stockings for my ranger :( I mean, surely that's not the only high-end armour the humans make?

Edited by Robsy128, 24 November 2013 - 09:41 AM.





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