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#1 Khalija

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 07:47 PM

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Taken from today's Guild Wars 2 e-mail:

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For the entire month of December, gems you purchase in Guild Wars 2 count towards exclusive in-game rewards!



Purchase 800 gems during the month of December to receive an exclusive Green Quaggan Backpack, or purchase at least 4,000 gems to receive an exclusive Green Quaggan Backpack and a Mini Mr. Sparkles!


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Your rewards will be based on gems purchases and gem code redemptions between 12:01 AM December 1 and 11:59 PM December 31 PST. In early January, you'll receive the gifts you unlocked!

With so many fashionable items and convenient upgrades available in the Gem Store, there's never been a better time to own gems-don't miss out on these special Black Lion Wintersday rewards!





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Posted 02 December 2013 - 08:11 PM

I'm not sure how I feel about this. I guess it's nice to open up Mr. Sparkles for people who couldn't attend the special events, but it feels a little...grabby.

But hey, it is just a mini pet and a back piece

On a semi-related note, does this mean we'll start seeing green quaggans in game now? ^^

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 08:22 PM

It's a smart promotion.  As long as they're aesthetic items, I could not care less, although, as Neo Nugget said, it is a bit grabby.  I also have strange feeling that this topic will become the center of negative attention very soon...
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Posted 02 December 2013 - 08:32 PM

View PostNeo Nugget, on 02 December 2013 - 08:11 PM, said:

I'm not sure how I feel about this. I guess it's nice to open up Mr. Sparkles for people who couldn't attend the special events, but it feels a little...grabby.
But they done this before not this hight, the Dragon Bash Minis, the kite and i dont know what else. Its nothing new to us but people wanted the Mini so bad and whined and screamed because it was only given out at PAX, making prestigious and exclusive for the people that got to go there.

Is this accumulation or the person that bought all of that gems of 4000 at once?

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 08:51 PM

Honestly, what is the point of playing the game anymore? You can't even get these things by converting gold to gems, you can only get them by pulling out the credit card!

I know there are people that think there is no such thing as being able to Pay to Win in PvE, but if there was, this would be pretty darn close.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 09:27 PM

Heheh good i don`t give a damn for minis or backpacks but honestly this is just milkin` cash out of people love it hate it, it`s just that and it feels sad.I don`t mind giving cash for something i love but this is just.....ahhh one of those kiddy stuff totally useless "hey look what i got" kind of items !

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 09:31 PM

View PostAlex Dimitri, on 02 December 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

Heheh good i don`t give a damn for minis or backpacks but honestly this is just milkin` cash out of people love it hate it, it`s just that and it feels sad.I don`t mind giving cash for something i love but this is just.....ahhh one of those kiddy stuff totally useless "hey look what i got" kind of items !

I just don't understand why the exclusive stuff can't be saved for people that actually do something awesome in game to deserve it instead of any old schmo that has enough money to buy it. It is just shameless.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 09:37 PM

View PostEl Duderino, on 02 December 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

Honestly, what is the point of playing the game anymore? You can't even get these things by converting gold to gems, you can only get them by pulling out the credit card!

I know there are people that think there is no such thing as being able to Pay to Win in PvE, but if there was, this would be pretty darn close.
Even these mini aren't pay to win. Where do you get this ludicrous idea from? These aren't BiS weapons at all. Its a god damn mini for yelling at loud.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 09:49 PM

View PostAzure Skye, on 02 December 2013 - 09:37 PM, said:

Even these mini aren't pay to win. Where do you get this ludicrous idea from? These aren't BiS weapons at all. Its a god damn mini for yelling at loud.

Why is ludicrous? Because you don't agree? I'm sorry, but that is not a reasonable argument.

But, I will say it again, because I tried to say it as gently as possible the first time. Some people think that there can never be "wins" in PvE. That's fine. However, there are some that will agree getting "stuff" is winning in PvE, since that is what most people do. Having the rarest and most exclusive stuff is a particular goal. Therefore, if the only way to get that stuff is to actually pay for it, there are some people that would liken that to "paying" to "win".

You don't have to agree, but it isn't ludicrous.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 10:00 PM

View PostEl Duderino, on 02 December 2013 - 09:49 PM, said:

Why is ludicrous? Because you don't agree? I'm sorry, but that is not a reasonable argument.

But, I will say it again, because I tried to say it as gently as possible the first time. Some people think that there can never be "wins" in PvE. That's fine. However, there are some that will agree getting "stuff" is winning in PvE, since that is what most people do. Having the rarest and most exclusive stuff is a particular goal. Therefore, if the only way to get that stuff is to actually pay for it, there are some people that would liken that to "paying" to "win".

You don't have to agree, but it isn't ludicrous.
The definition of pay to win is that, its having stat advantage over someone without playing the game. In this situation, Its people that have more money or disposable income then you like in real life, will buy things that you can't get. I dont know, like a really big flat screen tv.

I think the people are mad because the limit is to high and they dont know if it is accumulation of gems or one big purchase of gems of that amount.

Edited by Azure Skye, 02 December 2013 - 10:05 PM.


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 10:06 PM

Honestly I went for this. I don't feel it as grabby because you get them for free if you buy 4000 gems and since it's holiday season plus today's Black Friday's sale there are plenty of places I could spend and still save the rest for 2 more patches (with 2 more possible gem store promotions). ANd on top of that I get a free backpack and a mini.

Don't forget that ANet might gift the new mini-package set if you bought any gems so you do actually get a lot of free gifts by supporting them. (source:data mining)

Edited by Nabuko Darayon, 02 December 2013 - 10:08 PM.


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 10:12 PM

It's gonna feel grabby or to some people that apparently don't know what pay 2 win actually means, bad.

To other people it would be a promotion like how other games have, but I am sure the p2win will ultimately prevail.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 10:27 PM

I'm going to be really OP once I get this backpack and mini in my arsonal. Such style.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 10:32 PM

View PostAzure Skye, on 02 December 2013 - 10:00 PM, said:

The definition of pay to win is that, its having stat advantage over someone without playing the game. In this situation, Its people that have more money or disposable income then you like in real life, will buy things that you can't get. I dont know, like a really big flat screen tv.

I think the people are mad because the limit is to high and they dont know if it is accumulation of gems or one big purchase of gems of that amount.

Like I said, I realize people don't believe there is any way to win in PvE. Your definition is a nice definition, but it's yours, not something that you will find as a definitive definition from a reliable source.

To me, it has nothing to do with the cost, it has to do with exclusive content being made for sale rather than earned by playing. It is sad really.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 10:39 PM

View PostEl Duderino, on 02 December 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

Like I said, I realize people don't believe there is any way to win in PvE. Your definition is a nice definition, but it's yours, not something that you will find as a definitive definition from a reliable source.

To me, it has nothing to do with the cost, it has to do with exclusive content being made for sale rather than earned by playing. It is sad really.
Well, it wasn't made for sale/given at all till all of the people wanted, whined and screamed one because it was made and given for PAX  and they couldn't go or was sold out.

We can all agree the bar is to damn hight to get it.

Edited by Azure Skye, 02 December 2013 - 10:41 PM.


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 10:41 PM

View PostEl Duderino, on 02 December 2013 - 09:49 PM, said:

You don't have to agree, but it isn't ludicrous.

If buying this mini with cash is "paying to win," was obtaining it at PAX "showing up at PAX to win?"

I understand what you're saying. I do think its a tad extreme. Yes, I would be very uncomfortable with buying outright the end goal of a game, but who gets to say what could or should have been a PvE reward if it never was to start with? Sorry to resort to a slippery-slope argument, but by this logic is anything acceptable for the gem store? Any given item could have been a PvE reward instead.

I happen to think its a monumentally stupid way to spend your money, but unless this mini was an actual end game reward, this isn't pay to win.

Edited by typographie, 02 December 2013 - 10:44 PM.


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 10:48 PM

So... 50 Euro for a minipet? ^^ And a super ugly green backpack?

Lucky for me I don't want either so I couldn't care less, but I'm going to be honest and say I don't like it. In my opinion a minipet should be NO MORE than 800 gems. 50 Euro for a viritual item I honestly find crazy...

Oh well, it doesn't matter cause it's cosmetics and not p2w.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 10:55 PM

Now that I think about it, back when the Mr. Sparkles codes were first getting distributed they were going for crazy amounts on Ebay just for the code alone. At least this way you're actually able to get some other stuff out of it.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 10:56 PM

Interesting promotion, don't really see much of the issue with it tbh.
Funnily enough we can now see people complaining about Mr Sparkles being available only at con complaining about Mr Sparkles being available this way. This is probably the best compromise they could make. It is available for "everyone" but it is still some exclusivity since you need to pay quite a bit for it.

Might get it if I get some extra money available, since I can always use the gems anyway (which is after all what you are paying for, the back and mini are just extras).

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 10:58 PM

I can't see the issue with this.  If they just PUT these items in the gem store, it wouldn't be a big deal.  But now you get them from the gem store (in a roundabout way), but still get to use the gems for something else.  I think it sucks a bit if the mini was a PAX reward that they caved and gave out to everyone.  LOTS of game companies give exclusives to people that attend conventions like this.  This is not new.

Not that I have any interest in silly backpacks or minis (not enough to pay for them at least).  But there are those that do, and I'm happy for them that ANet is giving them things they like. :)

I also understand El Duderino's point.  GW2 is supposedly about cosmetics.  So cosmetic items are the "winning" of the game.  However there are PLENTY of in game items you can only get by playing.  Like Legendaries (assuming you didn't go the gems for gold route to buy one--which would be crazy, given what it would cost).  The fact is, ANet needs to make money on the gem store.  It's their source of income.  You can argue the means by which they go about it, what items they put in, but I don't think you can criticize the basic idea of trying to make money on the gemstore, as most everyone should know going into the game that it follows a micro transaction model.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 11:02 PM

View PostCube, on 02 December 2013 - 10:48 PM, said:

So... 50 Euro for a minipet? ^^ And a super ugly green backpack?

Lucky for me I don't want either so I couldn't care less, but I'm going to be honest and say I don't like it. In my opinion a minipet should be NO MORE than 800 gems. 50 Euro for a viritual item I honestly find crazy...

Oh well, it doesn't matter cause it's cosmetics and not p2w.

If I understand correctly the mini is an extra you get for buying 4000 gems; you're then free to spend them as you want. It doesn't technically "cost" those 4000 gems.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 11:02 PM

As for the promotion, I really don't care much... I think its a mistake to start selling the previously exclusive items through the gem shop, but only because its certain to upset people who obtained them the "hard" way.  A larger issue is that, where anet/NCSoft seems to be feeling the need to milk more and more money from the players, I don't see them offering much in the way of worthwhile items in the shop.  Even GW1's extremely limited cash shop had more things of interest to me than GW2's gigantic mess of a gem store.  

After buying bank storage and character slots, there isn't really much worth buying... I mean, does anybody care that much about minipets in this game?  They blend into the background and are often kinda crummy looking to boot.  How about boosters? Real world money for temporary weak stat boosts?  No thanks.  Town clothes?  What's the point, when they can't be worn over armor (something even the costumes in GW1 could do even before GW2 came out).  Do we have anything interesting like a bonus mission pack in the gem store?  All in all, I don't see the point.  Yeah, you can convert the gems to gold, but as soon as you do it, chances are you've lost potential wealth since the conversion rates rise pretty steadily.... and where's the fun in that?  RPGs aren't especially fun when you have things handed to you for no work. (Please don't take this as a pro-grind argument).  GW2's gem shop is a complete waste in my opinion, so this promotion only serves to remind me of that, causing further discouragement about all the lost potential of this game.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 11:13 PM

View Posttypographie, on 02 December 2013 - 10:41 PM, said:



If buying this mini with cash is "paying to win," was obtaining it at PAX "showing up at PAX to win?"

I understand what you're saying. I do think its a tad extreme. Yes, I would be very uncomfortable with buying outright the end goal of a game, but who gets to say what could or should have been a PvE reward if it never was to start with? Sorry to resort to a slippery-slope argument, but by this logic is anything acceptable for the gem store? Any given item could have been a PvE reward instead.

I happen to think its a monumentally stupid way to spend your money, but unless this mini was an actual end game reward, this isn't pay to win.

Well, I never said it was actually pay to win, I said if such a thing existed for PvE, this would be close. And, there is a difference between gem store items and things that require actually using real life money to buy.

I'm just sick of the focus on selling things and time gating everything rather than allowing people to just play. I would much rather see this as an elite sPvP or WvW reward than a credit card reward.

Pay to win is a bad term, but there should be a term for these kinds of things. It reminds me of the Oblivian Horse Armor DLC. I don't remember that going over well either.

View PostCaptain Bulldozer, on 02 December 2013 - 11:02 PM, said:

As for the promotion, I really don't care much... I think its a mistake to start selling the previously exclusive items through the gem shop, but only because its certain to upset people who obtained them the "hard" way.  A larger issue is that, where anet/NCSoft seems to be feeling the need to milk more and more money from the players, I don't see them offering much in the way of worthwhile items in the shop.  Even GW1's extremely limited cash shop had more things of interest to me than GW2's gigantic mess of a gem store.  

After buying bank storage and character slots, there isn't really much worth buying... I mean, does anybody care that much about minipets in this game?  They blend into the background and are often kinda crummy looking to boot.  How about boosters? Real world money for temporary weak stat boosts?  No thanks.  Town clothes?  What's the point, when they can't be worn over armor (something even the costumes in GW1 could do even before GW2 came out).  Do we have anything interesting like a bonus mission pack in the gem store?  All in all, I don't see the point.  Yeah, you can convert the gems to gold, but as soon as you do it, chances are you've lost potential wealth since the conversion rates rise pretty steadily.... and where's the fun in that?  RPGs aren't especially fun when you have things handed to you for no work. (Please don't take this as a pro-grind argument).  GW2's gem shop is a complete waste in my opinion, so this promotion only serves to remind me of that, causing further discouragement about all the lost potential of this game.

+1 This is a better point than the one I made.

Edited by El Duderino, 02 December 2013 - 11:11 PM.


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 11:14 PM

View PostCaptain Bulldozer, on 02 December 2013 - 11:02 PM, said:

I don't see them offering much in the way of worthwhile items in the shop.

Transmutations Crystals have some use, since skins you want often do not have the stats you want.  I also do not regret the endless harvesting tools I bought (admittedly via the gold for gems route).

One thing I think they should do, feel free to disagree, is remove the black lion tickets as an RNG drop, and put "crafting items" in the gem store for crafting those special weapon skins.  For example, put jade stones in the store and you can use so many of them to craft a jade weapon skin.  I suspect they would sell a lot more of those than BL Keys that only give you a CHANCE at a ticket scrap drop.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 11:20 PM

Not understanding again the problem here. Many have been complaining on the official forums for ways to get the mini sparkles cause of one reason or another they would be unable in the future to attend Guild Wars 2 events. Anet has given a way for this both to be fulfilled as a bonus for purchasing 50$ worth of gems. As it is December I do not see this as being out of bounds, on top of this if they had not told people and had just started handing it out as a gift to those that had done over 50$ worth of gems there would have been screaming here that how could they do such a thing, and they just care about gem purchasers blah blah blah. They are giving an opportunity to get the pet while at the same time it really costs you nothing since its a gift and you can use the gems the way you like.

View PostReason on Cooldown, on 02 December 2013 - 11:14 PM, said:

Transmutations Crystals have some use, since skins you want often do not have the stats you want.  I also do not regret the endless harvesting tools I bought (admittedly via the gold for gems route).

One thing I think they should do, feel free to disagree, is remove the black lion tickets as an RNG drop, and put "crafting items" in the gem store for crafting those special weapon skins.  For example, put jade stones in the store and you can use so many of them to craft a jade weapon skin.  I suspect they would sell a lot more of those than BL Keys that only give you a CHANCE at a ticket scrap drop.

Personally they should just make it so every black lion box drops one ticket scrap, and a 1/5 chance for a ticket itself, that way your guaranteed a weapon after 10 boxes.

Edited by Graka, 02 December 2013 - 11:24 PM.


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 11:26 PM

i would like this be account bound then putting them up on the marketplace. If someone has a Mr Sparkles is it account bound?

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 11:30 PM

View PostEl Duderino, on 02 December 2013 - 11:13 PM, said:

Well, I never said it was actually pay to win, I said if such a thing existed for PvE, this would be close. And, there is a difference between gem store items and things that require actually using real life money to buy.

I'm just sick of the focus on selling things and time gating everything rather than allowing people to just play. I would much rather see this as an elite sPvP or WvW reward than a credit card reward.

Pay to win is a bad term, but there should be a term for these kinds of things. It reminds me of the Oblivian Horse Armor DLC. I don't remember that going over well either.


Calling it pay to win in PvE is part of what's causing the disagreement here I think... there's no such thing as "winning" in PvE really.  I personally don't have much problem with paying for vanity, assuming there are reasonable ways of obtaining the same stuff through normal play....  not this "gemstore exclusive" horseshit.  As for things like transmutation stones, if anyone thinks they weren't included in a game with crappy gearing systems (and where the skins which are reasonably obtainable are unreasonably ugly) for any other reason that to suck money out of the players without providing any real service, said person needs to have their head examined.  

In fact, I'll tell you what.  I'm going to start posting using horribly ugly fonts and e-motes, but offer you guy the option of buying "font change" stones so that my posts can be in any font you want.  I'll sell them at the very reasonable rate of $8 for a pair of them too!  What a bargain!

Also, for the record, I didn't mind the horse armor DLC in Oblivion, as it cost like 2 bucks or something, but I agree that as a DLC it was pretty silly.  Luckily Bethesda is a lot better at pricing their worthless crap than Anet/NCSoft seems to be.

Edited by Captain Bulldozer, 02 December 2013 - 11:32 PM.


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 11:35 PM

View PostCaptain Bulldozer, on 02 December 2013 - 11:30 PM, said:



Calling it pay to win in PvE is part of what's causing the disagreement here I think... there's no such thing as "winning" in PvE really.  I personally don't have much problem with paying for vanity, assuming there are reasonable ways of obtaining the same stuff through normal play....  not this "gemstore exclusive" horseshit.  As for things like transmutation stones, if anyone thinks they weren't included in a game with crappy gearing systems (and where the skins which are reasonably obtainable are unreasonably ugly) for any other reason that to suck money out of the players without providing any real service, said person needs to have their head examined.  

In fact, I'll tell you what.  I'm going to start posting using horribly ugly fonts and e-motes, but offer you guy the option of buying "font change" stones so that my posts can be in any font you want.  I'll sell them at the very reasonable rate of $8 for a pair of them too!  What a bargain!

Also, for the record, I didn't mind the horse armor DLC in Oblivion, as it cost like 2 bucks or something, but I agree that as a DLC it was pretty silly.  Luckily Bethesda is a lot better at pricing their worthless crap than Anet/NCSoft seems to be.

/agreed

View PostAzure Skye, on 02 December 2013 - 10:39 PM, said:

Well, it wasn't made for sale/given at all till all of the people wanted, whined and screamed one because it was made and given for PAX  and they couldn't go or was sold out.

We can all agree the bar is to damn hight to get it.

They could have made the minis trade-able, but apparently ANet hates that idea for so many items.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 11:55 PM

They see me rolling, they hating, patrolling trying to catch me styling in my new green Quaggan backpack. #yoloswag #hipster #wearKidsBackpackEvenThoughImInMy20s

#30 Lordkrall

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 11:57 PM

View PostEl Duderino, on 02 December 2013 - 11:35 PM, said:

They could have made the minis trade-able, but apparently ANet hates that idea for so many items.

You mean and create the same issue as they had in GW1 with some super-rare minis going for more or less millions of gold?




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