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#1 Cube

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 10:54 PM

Okay, so I felt this needed it's own thread. If it doesn't I'm sorry and please merge it or w/e you need to do. But I feel this is in response to all those who have the opinion that the LS need to move over to deep lore or the dragons. Me being one of those who believed I wanted the LS to be about the lore of the game and that it would be for the better instead of Scarlet I'm actually pretty convinced that I was wrong in thinking so.

If you would please watch this video by WoodenPotatoes to understand exactly what I mean with having my view changed:


I think this is dead on right, do we REALLY want the next step to be the dragons or some deep lore when the LS is so underwhelming and kind of poorly done? They are testing the waters, and I think the worst thing they can do right now is go start on the elder dragons, we all know how extremely disappointing that story already was(Zaithan).

What's your thoughts about this?

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 11:00 PM

I agree, people would be up and arms over how the living story was handling the old lore and how the crappy anet is on the old lore. Its great to try this on a new character or on new lore.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 11:07 PM

Yes, LS was an experiment.  One that evolved WHILE they were doing it.  Recall Flame and Frost was 1 months.  Then they collapsed to two weeks.  Then they added multiple LS teams that would rotating writing different portions.

Admittedly, the storytelling was not the best.  There were no teasers for future content.  No questions to entice us for future episodes.  Just one year long "WTF?" trying to understand the point of anything.

Hopefully for LS 2.0 they'll have worked the kinks out of the model and have a more engaging story.  But we SHOULD want them to get the formula right (or decide to bag it altogether) before they tackle deeper lore, and potentially do irrevocable damage to it.

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 11:54 PM

Personally I think it's a bit early to speculate on this until Anet announces their plans for 2014. Even after 8 characters at LV 80 including all profession and working on 3rd map completion, I guess it shows how much I love the game. In spite of all the money and gems invested in this game, if Anet so much as hints on the words "No elder Dragons for 2014" I'm dropping the game.

Edited by Hybarf Tics, 02 December 2013 - 11:54 PM.


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 12:05 AM

This is one of his better videos. It goes over the negatives, but in a more realistic interpretation. In a way that I have tried to convey on the past as well. One that involves good ideas with poor implementation. Mainly due to the fact that Anet is trying something never done before.

On the bright side, Anet has more than likely learned a few lessons by now. I think they can handle it. Once they finish Scarlet's story, I expect the LS to get better, regardless of the plot. Anet, to me, has rarely hit it out of the park with the LS. But what they do have is a good track record of slowly getting better over time and sometimes learning from past mistakes. I say go for it.

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 12:09 AM

I want to see Scarlet to get more psychotic after every failed plan and finally go haywire. You know, like

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Now THAT'S a villain.

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 08:17 AM

Kefka?

Dragons are boring, Scarlet is boring, anything other than already established GW lore is boring to me. So far the story has done nothing but made me facepalm every time. I literally cannot stand it, couldn't bring myself to do the main story or any LS at all more than once whereas in GW1 I could easily recreate a character just to experience the epic journey many, many times over.

I know dragons were in GW1, but what I mean is the elder dragons. They are just so impersonal, lifeless, and have no personality. They ATTEMPTED to give Zhaitan one through his minions but failed on every level.

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 09:44 AM

Very cool vid. I've always liked WoodenPotatoes, I'm probably gonna start watching his GW1 lore series again.

But I agree. There's nothing really "wrong" with the stage they've set with the Dragons, Scarlet, or what have you. The problem has everything to do with implementation, and I have not cared for how they've done with Scarlet, let alone the latter majority of the "personal story". There's still the potential of doing a 180 and having the Dragons, Scarlet, or any major pieces of the setting be filled with intrigue, depth, and an overall satisfying story.

I admit that to an extent, I'm "glad" that their efforts have been going into Scarlet (I say that in the same way I'd say "good thing the tornado totaled my garage and not my house"). I dont like to think what could've happened to the other pieces of lore they've set (imagine them ruining the mystique of the Wizard's Tower!). But I still think they're trying to make the best out of a bad situation, when I'd rather they *get out of* that bad situation.

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 01:02 PM

View PostHybarf Tics, on 02 December 2013 - 11:54 PM, said:

Personally I think it's a bit early to speculate on this until Anet announces their plans for 2014. Even after 8 characters at LV 80 including all profession and working on 3rd map completion, I guess it shows how much I love the game. In spite of all the money and gems invested in this game, if Anet so much as hints on the words "No elder Dragons for 2014" I'm dropping the game.

I don't know, I really DON'T want to see that. My opinion of this is that if they want to deal with elder dragons they need to do it right, and the only way to do that in my eyes is through expansions so they have good amount of time to figure it all out. The LS can bring much great to the game but I am going to be so disappointed if they ruin yet another elder dragon. Waiting 2 weeks for 15 mins of content is just not worth it.

I'm honestly scared of how the forums are going to look once they do that with the elder dragons.

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 01:18 PM

Introducing an elder dragon without a proper build-up would be worse idea than Scarlet Briar's silly pranks.

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 02:14 PM

Pretty sure Kefka had character depth and impact on other characters in addition to sheer lunacy. Scarlet in contrast is just a lunatic with seemingly random and inexplicable achievements. I suppose the difference boils down to nuance.

That said, Dragons won't save the game if the writing for them is just as sloppy as with Scarlet and Zhaitan.

Edited by Featherman, 03 December 2013 - 02:17 PM.


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 07:56 PM

LS was mistake, 2 week patches were mistake, 2 separate teams was mistake !
They should just relaxed and started makin` something well thought out deep story wise, no matter how hard you try you simply cannot create anything useful in such a short amount of time. I don`t like Scarlet but to be honest WoodenPotato has a point she looks like that and act`s just because speed process of creation and not nearly enough background.
Well i hope Anet learned the lesson being different does not really mean you should wear your clothes backwards it just means you need to charm people with your intelligence and your personality !

Doing something stupid will get you noticed right away, but doing good stuff eventually brings you to spotlight and it`s much better simply because then you stay remembered for times to come !!!

I never doubt Anet can do this but this all excursion with LS just told me that they lack strong leadership and decision making they have while they have been creating GW1 !

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 09:31 PM

View PostEchou, on 03 December 2013 - 01:18 PM, said:

Introducing an elder dragon without a proper build-up would be worse idea than Scarlet Briar's silly pranks.

I feel that the only saving grace for the Scarlet storyline would be to relate or end it with a dragon related event.  Perhaps she is slain, and some form of "cosmic disorder" causes the attention or revival of a certain dragon or its spawn.  It may be a crappy conclusion to a crappy storyline, but at least it sets up a new storyline that is hopeful.

A dragon based storyline would not only fit the game much better, but would allow for many varied branches of both content and sub-stories.  A group of necromancers attempting to gather information from Orr, whilst the Vigil may be holding off to LA, while the Order is collecting samples, all during a raid on a major location in the world, or an entirely new location.  It will not only allow Arenanet to leave this bubble of collect and kill content, but may allow them to also create occasional "fluff" updates (children of Divinity's reach band together to create minipet arenas, or the Asura want to provide fighting simulation trials in the form of Polymock).

One can hope, eh?
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Posted 03 December 2013 - 10:26 PM

View Postdavadude, on 03 December 2013 - 09:31 PM, said:

I feel that the only saving grace for the Scarlet storyline would be to relate or end it with a dragon related event.  Perhaps she is slain, and some form of "cosmic disorder" causes the attention or revival of a certain dragon or its spawn.  It may be a crappy conclusion to a crappy storyline, but at least it sets up a new storyline that is hopeful.


She'll end up being a dragon champion for sure.

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 12:04 AM

LS is too much focused on teamplay and I fear this dragonstory will be more of the same kind. For me this is no option. Take Tequatl. When teams are formed you need to wait on the same map for over an hour or you will enter overflow. Please go back to the basics: we want to PLAY the game. Not wait for events to start, not wait for teams to form, but just PLAY and have fun!

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 12:16 AM

I think the living story is kind of like a REALLY long mediocre movie that will have a excellent ending.

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 01:16 AM

I don't think dragons are the solution. GW2 was trumped by Skyrim as far as dragons are concerned. I think they know that at Anet.They are now trying things with Scarlet which they seem to think internally is a big hit but from my xp in game and perusing the forums she's anything but.

They have to go back to the GW1 roots.

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 01:26 AM

View PostExplosivePinata, on 04 December 2013 - 01:16 AM, said:

I don't think dragons are the solution. GW2 was trumped by Skyrim as far as dragons are concerned. I think they know that at Anet.They are now trying things with Scarlet which they seem to think internally is a big hit but from my xp in game and perusing the forums she's anything but.

They have to go back to the GW1 roots.

Not to mention that I think it would be nice to see something that isn't very cliche at this point. Let's see if they have any originality in them at all and can come up with e proper villain that isn't trying to destroy the world just because.

Unfortunately, while the dragons are there and should be used at some point, they are the ultimate in fantasy cliche bad guys.

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 02:58 AM

View PostEl Duderino, on 04 December 2013 - 01:26 AM, said:

Not to mention that I think it would be nice to see something that isn't very cliche at this point. Let's see if they have any originality in them at all and can come up with e proper villain that isn't trying to destroy the world just because.

Unfortunately, while the dragons are there and should be used at some point, they are the ultimate in fantasy cliche bad guys.

Not even cliche bad guys, it's now bad guy stereotype zones. Kessex Hills used to be a beautiful zone to level alt's in. Now it's this hideous ugly version of Orr. Why can't they change the mold and make bad guys want to have good looking zones instead of just boring monochromatic yawnable ones.

Like Handsome Jack in BL2 for example. He seemed like he wanted to create something. In GW2 the Krait/Scarlet bollocks are just like they wanna make things ugly and overnight cheap looking just for the sake of it because the employees are incapable of anything else.

Edited by ExplosivePinata, 04 December 2013 - 03:31 AM.





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