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#1 gw2guruaccount

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Posted 30 January 2014 - 12:30 PM

All exchanges have a dual currency system in place however it is easier to pay with real-funds than it would be to play with in-game gold. With this premise what is the exchange rate that would, if you really wanted something but preferred to use the "free" model first, be too low for you and actually just cause you to buy gems with real cash? Presume that the item is 1000 gems.

I personally would buy real gems to acquire something if 100 gems ever hit about 12g and maintained that rate for more than a few days straight since I wouldn't waste the time farming for that much gold.

If you would never buy gems explain why not.

If you would just outright buy it with gems and never use the currency exchange explain why.

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Posted 30 January 2014 - 12:39 PM

I believe that, unless I'm really, really desperate to finish my Legendary (going for The Moot to match my awesome Cleric build), I won't ever spend a dime on Gems.

More as a matter of principle really. I'd be okay with throwing money at ArenaNet if instead of quality of life things they offered content, like, a new Personal Story campaign, a Bonus Mission Pack or even an expansion. But since they insist on spoon feeding us bite-sized volatile content... Or if they didn't shove all cosmetics inside Cox Boxes.

On the other hand, I just burned in the last few months over 80€ to update and maintain my subscription in WoW and keep my account up to speed. As well as buying an awesome BLOODTHIRSTY VAMPIRE BAT mount and an ADORABLE KITTY THAT'S ON FIRE!

Because I'm a hypocrite. That's why.

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Posted 30 January 2014 - 09:40 PM

I'm gonna be honest and just say I used to buy gems when I wanted something in the gemstore, I never used gold. My gold was precious as I didn't farm. I had the money so I though why not. I try not to anymore, If I really, really want something I will buy gems but only 800, and then convert the rest I need.

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Posted 30 January 2014 - 09:53 PM

If they sell something worth paying for, say a mission pack or an expansion. Or that ring that removes asuras from pvp and skyhammer from soloq.

Edited by RandolfRa, 30 January 2014 - 09:55 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2014 - 10:33 PM

I have purchased with real money in the past, then switched to using gold, now I've moved away from the game altogether. As time went on, they slowly failed to earn it. Such is life.

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Posted 30 January 2014 - 10:36 PM

If they released a full Canthan or Elonian expansion.

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Posted 30 January 2014 - 10:51 PM

I bought one set of armor skins with real money.  I also bought gold.

I did this back when I thought the game was still worth supporting, completely independent of what the exchange rate happened to be at the time.  I spent way less than I would have on a sub.  The one armor set was the only thing I ever remotely wanted from the gem store, so that left me to just buy gems to exchange if I wanted to support GW2.

I no longer feel GW2 is worth my support, so it doesn't matter what the exchange rate hits.  I won't be spending real money in GW2.

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Posted 30 January 2014 - 10:57 PM

On deck up until Lost Shores.  Once Ascended hit, they stopped getting my money and other people's, as I imagine.

Considering how nice the Mad King was, I was willing to forgive the Lost Shores event as an experiment worth trying, but Ascended was a sign of things to come.

Definitely satisfied with my decision to be a leech when the Cox Boxes came out.  Eventually they realized that releasing a new box with every update called too much attention to their gambling and instead moved it to the Black Lion Chests and just keep adding things to the ticket vendors.

Considering the fact that a new armor set hasn't been added to the game that wasn't being hocked through the gem store (so much for a cosmetic end-game) and that the last released armor set was a basically the Human Cultural Armor T3, it seems a wise choice never to put money into ArenaNet's coffers.
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Posted 30 January 2014 - 10:58 PM

If I actually farmed then the only thing that I'd actually pay for would be a world transfer. Seeing as how I don't farm, I'd say that if I really thought that something that cost at least 800 gems was worth it, I'd probably pay real money.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:39 AM

If I could deck out my character in max gear forever for $20 I would do it. It doesn't need to look nice or prestigious. I don't mind playing the game for that - but I would pay a somewhat insignificant amount of money to sidestep the grind if I though the game was worth returning to. Too bad the philosophy of this game is exactly the opposite: pay for the looks and grind for the stats.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 03:25 AM

I will buy gems in a heartbeat to simplify things.  One of these things is harvesting tools.  One set and I'm done. Never have the wrong piece and no replacements needed. Cosmetics are ok to..no real advantage there  NO I don't buy the cosmetic stuff, Just not my thing.



  What  I don't want to spend rl dollars on is  1000 gems per new harvesting tool because the new tool gives a 'bonus' that my current 1000 gem tool doesn't..


  The new pick with produce at least 1 clockwork with each node harvested.  Nice but what do I do with the tool I already have?  Its not saleable and can't be traded in or salvaged.

   I've never been concerned with pay to play in GW but this feels like a pay to win and a transparent scam.  Are players supposed to just go gaga and throw away 'old' harvesting tools...plan on a complete set that gives an extra bonus X 5 characters X 3 tools or 15000 gems.

  This doesn't feel like GW1 at all. I know my staying or leaving means squat to the business that is GW2 and NC soft.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 03:28 AM

I feel like I should be payed to play MMOs, including ones like GW2. The structure and design of MMO gameplay isn't so different from glorified data entry when you think about it. Some people might enjoy it for a variety of reasons like community or sunk costs, and I don't think any amount of reasoning will change their minds, but they're effectively paying to do work. In many cases they're paying to make the work imposed on them less painful, which is equally ridiculous.

That said I definitely won't spending money on anything in-game. I've resolved to pay for content that's appealing, and not tactics that keep me engaged to old content like grinding for gear, achievement points, wvw levels and the like. Those virtual assets have no value to me, and I also dislike it a great deal when they appear to be shoehorned into games in order to promote compulsive playing rather than to expand the experience.

The LS would be a nice compromise, letting players play content upfront and then pay for stuff on the side (through cash shops and gold conversions), but the quality of the content makes constantly question as to whether or not the game is even worth the time. By choosing this structure ANet have effectively put themselves in an unfavorable position where they're offering free content I couldn't be arsed with anyway, so I'm definitely not going to pay for that content or anything related to it.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 04:25 AM

View Postgw2guruaccount, on 30 January 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:

If you would never buy gems explain why not.

I don't feel comfortable supporting a game going in a direction that I disagree with. The closest I came to that was when I considered buying a splitter until I saw the obscene cost it would require.

But essentially, I don't love the game enough to throw money at it.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 04:37 AM

View PostBryant Again, on 31 January 2014 - 04:25 AM, said:

But essentially, I don't love the game enough to throw money at it.

^ This a thousand times.  GW2 has no soul.  That's the simplest way I can put it.  Whatever love I had for its dear predecessor took the last train for the coast ages ago.  It's almost like trying to force yourself to date the hot-ass chick who is a condescending b***h and treats you like an ATM.  Give me the cute, nerdy girl next door any day.

#15 Baron von Scrufflebutt

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 08:05 AM

If I am playing the game, then I am making gold, which I can use to get gems.
And if I am not playing the game, then there's no point in wasting my money on a game that I am not playing.

#16 Jernej

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 08:46 AM

Since i dont care for games that much no i wouldn't ... It's just a game... I dont have any personal effection towards it

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 03:50 PM

View PostMazingerZ, on 30 January 2014 - 10:57 PM, said:

On deck up until Lost Shores.  Once Ascended hit, they stopped getting my money and other people's, as I imagine.

Actually I have been giving them more money, even though I am against Ascended.  As I see it, if you have the time to play the game and farm for gold, fine.  But if you don't have the time, then it becomes much harder to buy stuff from the gem store using gold.  

Anyway, there are not many things worth buying in the gem store.  Mostly cosmetic items that I won't want to spend my gems on.

View PostAntares, on 31 January 2014 - 03:25 AM, said:

I will buy gems in a heartbeat to simplify things.  One of these things is harvesting tools.  One set and I'm done. Never have the wrong piece and no replacements needed. Cosmetics are ok to..no real advantage there  NO I don't buy the cosmetic stuff, Just not my thing.

  What  I don't want to spend rl dollars on is  1000 gems per new harvesting tool because the new tool gives a 'bonus' that my current 1000 gem tool doesn't..


  The new pick with produce at least 1 clockwork with each node harvested.  Nice but what do I do with the tool I already have?  Its not saleable and can't be traded in or salvaged.

   I've never been concerned with pay to play in GW but this feels like a pay to win and a transparent scam.  Are players supposed to just go gaga and throw away 'old' harvesting tools...plan on a complete set that gives an extra bonus X 5 characters X 3 tools or 15000 gems.

  This doesn't feel like GW1 at all. I know my staying or leaving means squat to the business that is GW2 and NC soft.

Considering that I never even bother to buy any of the old gem store harvesting tools or even the new one, I don't see it as pay to win at all.

The old tools were priced so high that it would take me years of using vendor harvesting tools to make it worth my while.  Paying THAT amount of gems would be a commitment to play the game for years.  Same for the new tool.

Edited by Daesu, 31 January 2014 - 03:58 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 04:57 PM

View PostDaesu, on 31 January 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

Actually I have been giving them more money, even though I am against Ascended.  As I see it, if you have the time to play the game and farm for gold, fine.  But if you don't have the time, then it becomes much harder to buy stuff from the gem store using gold.

Giving them money only validates Ascended though and the current development path.  Its their decision to make the game accessible to anyone who paid the box price without a subscription fee, so I don't owe them a thing.  That was the agreement when I bought the box.  If they had stuck with their guns, I would have happily paid them for silly things like the choir bell or town clothes.

If they actually had a decent in-game reward structure not centered around Ascended or grinding gold, I would feel more inclined to spend money because I would need to pursue goals that didn't have strong in-game gold rewards tied to them (sellable crafting mats and materials) and instead be focusing on acquiring skins.  My gold stores would feel more tight because I'd be focusing on things that don't reward gold and can only be obtained through conquering challenges in my limited game-play time.  Instead, with little to do, I just focus on acquiring gold when I choose to play.

Edited by MazingerZ, 31 January 2014 - 04:57 PM.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 05:09 PM

I don't spend more than the box price.  That's all there is to it.  If there's something extra I want it comes from converting gold or I don't get it.  Since the gold-to-gem gap has increased that means I just go without and that's fine, it's just a game.  If I feel the game no longer supports my way of thinking in a reasonable way I will just stop playing; if certain items or services are required to play that are only found in the gem store I won't play.

Early on I knew the gold-to-gem gap would increase and spent nearly all the in-game gold I made on bank expansion tabs (to max tabs) and character slots (to 10 total characters) while it was still reasonable in gold cost. Now it's about 4 times the gold cost for a character slot.

Edited by Krazzar, 31 January 2014 - 05:13 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 02:40 AM

View PostMazingerZ, on 31 January 2014 - 04:57 PM, said:

If they actually had a decent in-game reward structure not centered around Ascended or grinding gold,

I pretty much accepted the fact that this game would be all about up-leveling and grinding, after the first year.  You should be able to tell that is the case, from their responses to the Ascended items debacle when they first announced them and people complained.

And I expect even more up-leveling with max level set to 100 instead of just 80, crafting legendary armor, precursors, 500 jeweler and cook, etc.  If anyone wants to continue playing this game, they have to deal with this.  It would be all about up-leveling to give people goals so that they would continue playing and ArenaNet milking everyone as hard as they possibly can in their gem store.  Expecting and accepting such attitudes from them, would protect you from being disappointed later on.

Edited by Daesu, 01 February 2014 - 02:47 AM.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 07:27 AM

Speaking of which - gem/gold price just spiked and crashed today. Anyone know what happened?

http://www.gw2spidy.com/gem

Getting up towards 10G for 100 gems is pretty high.




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