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#1 King Tomodo

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 03:10 PM

If or when we lose LA, either to Scarlet or some future events, where do you think the best safe haven for all the races of Tyria would be?

Give arguments for and against your suggestions, and discuss different strategic places true out Tyria where a city with the same functions as LA could exist.

This could be either in known areas/cities or some new areas seen but not touched on the world map of Tyria. Some of us also know places of Tyria from 250 ish years back that might be subtable for a new trading capitol.


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My first reaction to the threat Scarlet brings to LA was "ESCAPE TO EBONHAWK", since I feel it could easily be the strongest and safest place to "hide" from Scarlet and dragons and the-six-knows-what.

But then again we would lose the central positioning that LA has, and we lose the option for ship transport for people and goods.

Of course we could solve this problem through merchant-trains or even canals out to the sea (if we ever get past the Dragonbrand.

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 03:17 PM

Dominion of the Winds...

I mean, it is right next to LA, and not far from obvious as well :P

I like Ebonhawk more though... A more fresh place if anything...

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 03:19 PM

I would just move it to the Ascalon Settlement in Gendarran Fields. It's not far so that makes it still central and also allows it to be moved hastily without many preparations, the only threats in the area are unchecked centaurs which won't continue to hassle the world if the Lion Guard became a strong presence in the area, and the only downside is losing a naval vantage point; this isn't solvable. Due to it's maintained centralized nature trade routes won't suffer too badly and because it's so close to old LA if for some reason rebuilding is to be done it makes the process that much easier. I chose to stay away from Bloodtide Coast however because the landmasses are simply too small to create a strong integrated city without putting it at risk from attacks due to being spread out.

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 03:45 PM

Put all the stuff in the racial capitals. They're pretty dead atm and it's such a shame.

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 03:51 PM

View PostXephyr, on 11 February 2014 - 03:45 PM, said:

Put all the stuff in the racial capitals. They're pretty dead atm and it's such a shame.

To be fair though, The Grove and Rata Sum do not fit a hub world that well... bit confusing with the multiple layers and stuff...

DR is more open, but maybe a bit too stretched, Black Citadel... well, I guess some people like it... Hoelbrak would be a cool choice I guess - pun not intended...

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 04:10 PM

Well... to be fair, if LA falls there is no Ebonhawke. Ebonhawke only stands because it is able to get supplies from LA. It has no other supply route so setting up there wouldn't really be advisable. That would actually be pretty cool if the fall of LA gets reflected with events/chatter in the Ebonhawke area. That may be too much to hope for though.

Story wise it would depend on how much of LA's higher ups go down in flames with the city. If the leadership survives then I would actually say Southsun would be possible and more likely than any of the racial cities. Ascalon Settlement is another valid location.

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 04:47 PM

View PostFeathermoore, on 11 February 2014 - 04:10 PM, said:

Well... to be fair, if LA falls there is no Ebonhawke. Ebonhawke only stands because it is able to get supplies from LA. It has no other supply route so setting up there wouldn't really be advisable.

Ebonhawke is supplied from Divinity's Reach, there is no portal to it from LA.

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 05:40 PM

The Battle Isles of course.

Oh wait...

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 05:50 PM

View PostBrandon the Don, on 11 February 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:

To be fair though, The Grove and Rata Sum do not fit a hub world that well... bit confusing with the multiple layers and stuff...

DR is more open, but maybe a bit too stretched, Black Citadel... well, I guess some people like it... Hoelbrak would be a cool choice I guess - pun not intended...


Rata Sum is much easier and faster to navigate than hoelbrak as all the common services are on the same level and really close together.

With everything moving to vigil HQ though I'm guessing they'll open a new city like zone in the interior of the keep rather than just dump everything along the short line we get to access now.

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 06:17 PM

View PostBeyond Freedom, on 11 February 2014 - 04:47 PM, said:

Ebonhawke is supplied from Divinity's Reach, there is no portal to it from LA.

/facepalm

I am a moron. Still doubt Ebonhawke would ever be used. Not exactly a trade center.

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 06:41 PM

I've been using Black Citadel and The Grove as most people us LA for months. Really all I ask for in a hub is a location with the bank, trading post, and crafting stations close together. Those locations (plus Rata I suppose), fulfill those requirements nicely for me.

#12 Baron von Scrufflebutt

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 08:49 PM

Ascalon City.

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 09:01 PM

Anything that loads in less than an hour will do.

Edited by RandolfRa, 11 February 2014 - 09:09 PM.


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 08:36 AM

I don't find it coincidence that the Dominion of Winds is the closest town to Lion's Arch. If we're to "evacuate" the city, I think it would make sense that it be toward the closest secure settlement. Lore-wise, it also would make sense to re-organize in a city that is "off the grid" and away from Asura gates.

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 09:40 AM

View PostXephyr, on 11 February 2014 - 03:45 PM, said:

Put all the stuff in the racial capitals. They're pretty dead atm and it's such a shame.

^ this. have all cities have asura gates to all other cities.

makes people spread out, and not make the new LA (if they decide on another
'just one' main hub) as congested as before. even rata sum and grove are
nice, quiet places for general banking/crafting/tp-ing once you get to know their layouts.

Edited by sanctuaire, 12 February 2014 - 09:41 AM.


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 10:10 AM

People will just flock to Divinity's Reach. They sure as heck do that on my server already.

The fact it's a roleplay hub might have something to do with it...

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 01:09 PM

The Vigil Keep in Gendarran Fields should serve until we can rebuild new new LA on top of the ruins of the current LA.

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 01:31 PM

View PostPhineas Poe, on 12 February 2014 - 08:36 AM, said:

I don't find it coincidence that the Dominion of Winds is the closest town to Lion's Arch. If we're to "evacuate" the city, I think it would make sense that it be toward the closest secure settlement. Lore-wise, it also would make sense to re-organize in a city that is "off the grid" and away from Asura gates.
The problem with this is that Lore-wise the Tengu wouldn't allow this. Merging with the outside world or taking in refugees isn't exactly at the top of their list of things to do; they've not done so in the face of Zhaitan's presence at all.

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 03:18 PM

I sincerely hope the evacuation of L.A. is temporary. I love the city and would happily rebuild it.

Divinity's Reach would be my second choice. It's beautiful and easy to navigate, and connects to lowbie zones as well as Ebonhawke.

No way the Tengu would let us in DotW, although I am hoping that they will come out and help with the attack on L.A. since it is so close. That might incent them to get involved in the fight.

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 03:28 PM

I would be so disappointed if LA remained after all this...

I hope they add portals, dungeon vendors, etc. to each racial capital. If we're to fully migrate to these cities (which has been a second-hand choice for most) I would like them to feel more relevant (apart from the fact that LA is no longer an option).
And perhaps add refugees along with an additional new interesting feature to each city.

Edited by Phadde, 12 February 2014 - 03:33 PM.


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 03:46 PM

Spoiler alert: In one personal story mission/mini-dungeon we lose the city and we regain it in another.  All the while we have another "battle for LA" like the karka invasion in which everyone dies to lag again and again as soon as the timers go off.  They're changing the world in surprising ways no one expects, which means no one will be surprised they won't actually change the world.

If there were actually an evacuation I would say they'd shove everyone through the Southsun Cove portal, after they purchase a Consortium ticket of course. That seems like the GW2 way.

Edited by Krazzar, 12 February 2014 - 03:55 PM.


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 04:15 PM

View PostPhineas Poe, on 12 February 2014 - 08:36 AM, said:

I don't find it coincidence that the Dominion of Winds is the closest town to Lion's Arch. If we're to "evacuate" the city, I think it would make sense that it be toward the closest secure settlement. Lore-wise, it also would make sense to re-organize in a city that is "off the grid" and away from Asura gates.

If ArenaNet surprised us in the past, I would believe it.

As it stands, they have not said anything about the Dominion of Winds opening.

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 04:36 PM

Apparently the Vigil Keep will be a temporary LA:

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All essential services that are unique to Lion's Arch will be redirected to Vigil Keep for the time being, including Asura gates to other cities, Fractals of the Mists, and incarcerated cactus-faced troublemakers. Personal story steps will be accessible through a new entrance. Hwang's team has taken steps to ensure that the city will remain fully explorable for map completion, although if you're especially fond of a particular view...well, you might want to grab screenshots while you can. We were also warned that exploration isn't exactly going to be as safe as it currently is.
http://massively.joy...2s-next-conten/

I don't think they'll abandon LA for good, but for a while it may turn into a battleground.  I still think we'll take it back and it will be rebuilt in the last LS episode.

This has the makings for a more epic experience than I initially thought, but lag and other techincal issues come to mind as the main opponent in "epic" GW2 content.

Edited by Krazzar, 12 February 2014 - 04:36 PM.


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 04:42 PM

Technically, the city maps are different - they allow more players and no combat (and those are related facts.)

So it couldn't be an existing non-city map.

Personally, I think LA won't 'go away', even if the map is nothing but rubble it will have the same map completion points.

(And, LA is pretty big - you destroy a lot of it and stll leave some a lot untouched.)

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 04:43 PM

Uhm actually they said something about DoW... And also about Tengu... They said that nothing is off the table and apparently getting the tengu as a playable race is a viable future... Also I think people would rush to the asura gates... Not the countryside... I mean honestly if you would be in that situation would you run in the open or to a fortificated city? Ebonhawke is not an option... it's too small. It's true that Ebonhawke is one of the most resilient locations. Along Fort Trinity and Black Citadel. A million armies would attack it and a million armies would break... unless the attack it is from the air. We saw this from the sieges and Kralkattorik. A viable option imo, if people won't flock to the main cities, is the Deldrimor Front. Abadoned dwarves keeps and forts anyone???

Edited by rusticgamer, 12 February 2014 - 04:47 PM.


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 04:57 PM

If you complete all the achieves you get everything in your home instance.

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 04:57 PM

the largos capital city

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 05:04 PM

View PostI, on 12 February 2014 - 04:57 PM, said:

the largos capital city

Yeah great idea! Let's see THEN if norn are still the best hunters! The largos have a Bubbles problem (blossom and buttercup are in holiday mode). But no really jokes aside largos are a terribly xenophobic nation/race maybe not going as far as the krait but still. And we don't even know where their capital is, if they even have a capital...

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 05:22 PM

View Postrusticgamer, on 12 February 2014 - 04:43 PM, said:

Uhm actually they said something about DoW... And also about Tengu... They said that nothing is off the table and apparently getting the tengu as a playable race is a viable future... Also I think people would rush to the asura gates... Not the countryside... I mean honestly if you would be in that situation would you run in the open or to a fortificated city? Ebonhawke is not an option... it's too small. It's true that Ebonhawke is one of the most resilient locations. Along Fort Trinity and Black Citadel. A million armies would attack it and a million armies would break... unless the attack it is from the air. We saw this from the sieges and Kralkattorik. A viable option imo, if people won't flock to the main cities, is the Deldrimor Front. Abadoned dwarves keeps and forts anyone???

What I meant was, if ArenaNet was going to open the Dominion of Winds, it would be all over the website.

They haven't kept big updates hidden in the past, and I'm past done hoping for stuff that doesn't happen.

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 05:24 PM

Go to the Vigil - rebuild Orr. It'd be great lore-wise as all of the races would be like 'this is where we banded together when we had almost lost all hope against Zhaitan. Let's make a city in remembrance.' Or something to that effect anyway. Plus I want to see a really big, working Orr rather than a desolated land. Zhaitan's been dead for almost 2 years now.




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