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#1 Khayrat

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 02:32 PM

Watch out, some major spoilers about the finale of the current Living World release!
I'd say, the link explains all! ;)



As you can see, something has been awakened. The question is, what or who is it? Perhaps it is an Elder Dragon? I was wondering what your thoughts are about this! And how did you feel about the cutscene? Personally I thought it was really well made, it was epic! :D

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 02:54 PM

I heard rumors of some kind of nature-based dragon, when i asked in guild about Primordius.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:06 PM

View PostVeji, on 05 March 2014 - 02:54 PM, said:

I heard rumors of some kind of nature-based dragon, when i asked in guild about Primordius.

Mordremoth

Primordius is likely not gonna be the target any time soon... Just like Jormag...

Edit:

Apparently it has been confirmed even

Edited by Brandon the Don, 05 March 2014 - 03:14 PM.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:44 PM

If you saw the data mined materials a month or so back, there's a conversation that has yet to appear where Mordremoth is name-dropped. Probably will be the "Aftermath" cut-scene put out on the 18th.

I imagine that thing that wakes up at the end of the video is Mordremoth.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:16 PM

Mordremoth = Bubbles?

Reaching, I know...but they have stretched farther for story elements before... :)

Edited by Thorfinnr, 05 March 2014 - 05:17 PM.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:25 PM

View PostThorfinnr, on 05 March 2014 - 05:16 PM, said:

Mordremoth = Bubbles?

Reaching, I know...but they have stretched farther for story elements before... :)

No...

The DSD aka Bubbles has been awake for quite some time now, whereas this new dragon, Mordremoth, only just awoke due to the disruption in the ley line...

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:26 PM

They need to improve underwater combat before Bubbles can be considered.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:41 PM

What did I think? Honestly?

The only thing I could think was how bad the textures looked at 1080p.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:09 PM

View PostBrandon the Don, on 05 March 2014 - 05:25 PM, said:

No...

The DSD aka Bubbles has been awake for quite some time now, whereas this new dragon, Mordremoth, only just awoke due to the disruption in the ley line...

True...I forgot to put on my lore cap before posting...lol :)

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:12 PM

Will be interesting if it is a jungle dragon and they do name it Mordremoth.  It took some very observant players in early GW2 to notice not just the attacks on Subject Alpha but that something didn't add up in terms of the sectors there and of course the Jotun telescope in Arah.  It would come off as fan service to me for spotting something inconsequential they otherwise wouldn't have thought to run with when other options do exist.  The last year could have easily been spent fighting Jormag or Kralkatorrik both of which are highly visible threats not hidden behind cryptic combat status messages.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:16 PM

I find it very odd that they decide to use the LS to introduce Mordremoth so early. Five dragons had already awoken (one of which is now dead, or at least defeated) and the effects of three of the remaining four that are awake are being shoved in our face and all three of those were introduced in GW1. Jormag pushed the Kodan south and we're fighting his champion (we also saw his influence in GW1). Primordus was the first to be awaken and we fought the destroyers and his champion back in GW1, plus we know he's underground somewhere. Kralkatorrik is cutting off travel to Elona. we're fighting his champion, we met Glint in GW1 (who he has killed, but Glint has children), and Destiny's Edge nearly defeated him once. To me it just makes so much more sense to have the LS lead to Kralkatorrik first because there's so much more that can be done as far as the story goes. We could meet Glint's children and it could lead to us finally going to Elona.

I just don't really see what the purpose is of having five dragons pressuring Tyria at the same time from different directions as it basically cuts off the possibility of seeing the other continents again. If we ever see them again, Anet will have to come up with some sort of reason for us to leave Tyria to fight the dragons because so far it seems like as if Elona and Cantha are not suffering directly from the Elder Dragons' awakening, which is the whole story behind GW2, or at least right now anyways, and I don't want to see Anet write a story involving us defeating 5 dragons simultaneously in some poorly executed idea just to send us to the other continents that will have their own, unrelated, stories. Maybe involving two at the same time, but not all of them.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:26 PM

View PostXSevSpreeX, on 05 March 2014 - 07:16 PM, said:

I find it very odd that they decide to use the LS to introduce Mordremoth so early. Five dragons had already awoken (one of which is now dead, or at least defeated) and the effects of three of the remaining four that are awake are being shoved in our face and all three of those were introduced in GW1. Jormag pushed the Kodan south and we're fighting his champion (we also saw his influence in GW1). Primordus was the first to be awaken and we fought the destroyers and his champion back in GW1, plus we know he's underground somewhere. Kralkatorrik is cutting off travel to Elona. we're fighting his champion, we met Glint in GW1 (who he has killed, but Glint has children), and Destiny's Edge nearly defeated him once. To me it just makes so much more sense to have the LS lead to Kralkatorrik first because there's so much more that can be done as far as the story goes. We could meet Glint's children and it could lead to us finally going to Elona.

I just don't really see what the purpose is of having five dragons pressuring Tyria at the same time from different directions as it basically cuts off the possibility of seeing the other continents again. If we ever see them again, Anet will have to come up with some sort of reason for us to leave Tyria to fight the dragons because so far it seems like as if Elona and Cantha are not suffering directly from the Elder Dragons' awakening, which is the whole story behind GW2, or at least right now anyways, and I don't want to see Anet write a story involving us defeating 5 dragons simultaneously in some poorly executed idea just to send us to the other continents that will have their own, unrelated, stories. Maybe involving two at the same time, but not all of them.

I think it is for a very simple reason...

There has been several clues for 6 elder dragons within the game (Durmand Priory with that dude casually talking about 6 elder dragons for instance), and Colin Johanson even stated that there was a Jungle Dragon without any proof within the first game(s) or the written lore so far... They had to write the awakening of this specific elder dragon in at one point, and why not at one where the player can the albeit poorly written actions themselves?

Imho, it is a better choice than to run off and kill Primordius off the bat, since that seems more like an epic boss battle if anything since it is tied to GW1...
It makes sense... in a way... even though it took a hell of a time...

Edited by Brandon the Don, 05 March 2014 - 07:30 PM.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:52 PM

View PostGyre, on 05 March 2014 - 07:12 PM, said:

It would come off as fan service to me for spotting something inconsequential they otherwise wouldn't have thought to run with when other options do exist.  The last year could have easily been spent fighting Jormag or Kralkatorrik both of which are highly visible threats not hidden behind cryptic combat status messages.

You guys are a tough crowd to satisfy.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:58 PM

View PostPhineas Poe, on 05 March 2014 - 07:52 PM, said:

You guys are a tough crowd to satisfy.

I had high expectations, actually, though frequent disappointment has lead to extreme cynicism.  I guess if you go into this with an extremely low bar from the get go everything they do must look amazing.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:09 PM

Man, I'm disappointed.

Once again Anet has to invent a NEW dragon rather than focus on ones that already exist.

With the Torment weapons, I was really hoping for a god to come out...  bringing the gods back to Tyria would certainly be an Epic event, and worth the destruction of Lion's Arch.  (A NEW cataclysm, that we actually witness).

But, beyond that, the actual final battle was horrible.  It made fighting Scarlet in Divinity's Reach look great by comparison.g

All that coordination and work to just spam the F key!?!   I really have no words.

Edited by Mordakai, 05 March 2014 - 10:36 PM.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:14 PM

View PostMordakai, on 05 March 2014 - 08:09 PM, said:

Man, I'm disappointed.

Once again Anet has to invent a NEW dragon rather than focus on ones that already exist.


Sorry, but as much as I'd like to complain, this is just false...

Since there has been but little information about the previous rise of the Elder Dragons, and give how many info we got on a 6th dragon, it is most certainly not just invented or made up...

This has been released almost a year ago:



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:43 PM

Ding dong the witch is dead!
I don't care and neither should you!
We dance and we sing, around a circle!
For the wicked witch croaked at last!

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:03 PM

View PostGyre, on 05 March 2014 - 07:58 PM, said:

I guess if you go into this with an extremely low bar from the get go everything they do must look amazing.

Because if someone isn't stuck in a toxic, cynical malaise over the Living Story, clearly it must mean that they think the game is amazing and perfect in every way!

You people.

You know why I am happy? Scarlet is dead and a more central villain to the game's lore, a dragon, takes her place. It's the final dragon to awaken and now we know what we're up against. That ArenaNet chose to wake up the final elder dragon versus killing the other 4 that are already awake doesn't really mean much to me so long as it means that Scarlet is no longer a part of the Living Story's plot.

If anything, I think the focus of Mordremoth makes sense given the current social structure of Tyria (or more specifically Kryta). What better way to integrate the Tengu into the game than to wake up a dragon in their neighborhood? Especially compounded by Mordremoth's relationship to the Pale Tree, Mordremoth sounds to me a more immediate threat to the safety of Tyria than Kralkatorrik. Mordremoth's influence burned Lion's Arch to the ground. What has Kralkatorrik been doing all this time? Sending his lieutenants to attack a camp next to a stone wall?

The Maguuma Wastes borders Divinity's Reach. The Crystal Desert borders Ebonhawk. Which do you think is more important to the playerbase?

The cutscene teased new regions to explore (more of Maguuma, to be sure) and this more than likely will also result in the Tengu getting involved given the Dominion of Wind's proximity, perhaps as a playable race in the future. It's all a very interesting development for the game on the whole, especially with the Dominion of Winds being so close to the now-destroyed Lion's Arch. Mordremoth waking up may impact relations between the Tengu and other playable races, shifting the scope of the culture of Kryta on the whole.

But if you'd rather be upset about us not taking out Kralkatorrik chilling in the middle of the Crystal Desert bothering nobody, I suppose you have that right.

Edited by Phineas Poe, 05 March 2014 - 09:08 PM.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:04 PM

Gotta agree with the disappointees.  The issue is that we already have Jormag, Primordius, Kralkratorrik and Bubbles/DSD who basically live off screen with no real issues in the world except displacing a few races and have been active for years.  Zhaitan had the entire nation of Orr and was barely encroaching on areas outside on that domain.  In fact, well after new Lion's Arch was established (the original sinking when Orr was raised) did he decide to make any real push for it.

There's no panic about limited space for the displaced races.  The krait are a minor threat at best.  There's no tension (or idea) with what these dragons are doing... And apparently with Zhaitan dead, there's no doomsday clock for keeping all six from rising.  So another dragon rising when there's been no obvious pressure from the other five delivers a rather 'meh' experience.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:20 PM

View PostPhineas Poe, on 05 March 2014 - 09:03 PM, said:

Tengu...Mordremoth

Destroyers

View PostPhineas Poe, on 05 March 2014 - 09:03 PM, said:

Kralkatorrik chilling in the middle of the Crystal Desert bothering nobody

At great expense to the Charr it's corruption is contained and it's actions are central to the plot, or used to be anyways.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:20 PM

View PostMazingerZ, on 05 March 2014 - 09:04 PM, said:

Gotta agree with the disappointees.  The issue is that we already have Jormag, Primordius, Kralkratorrik and Bubbles/DSD who basically live off screen with no real issues in the world except displacing a few races and have been active for years.  Zhaitan had the entire nation of Orr and was barely encroaching on areas outside on that domain.  In fact, well after new Lion's Arch was established (the original sinking when Orr was raised) did he decide to make any real push for it.

Let me try and draw in a different, more global perspective. There are two facts to be taken under consideration:

1. When a dragon awakens, it expends a significant amount of energy that negatively affects the sentient races. Zhaitan rose Orr to the surface. Kralkatorrik branded Ascalon. Bubbles brought Quaggans to Tyria. Jormag drove the Norn south. Primordus forced the transformation of the dwarves. I think we can all agree that Mordremoth waking up will be both destructive to the Maguuma Wastes and Magus Falls region and is indeed a big problem, never mind all the problems plaguing Lion's Arch.

2. Zhaitan tried to attack Lion's Arch and failed. The Pact was too strong, and ultimately resulted in his own demise at the hands of the player. The solidarity of the races within Lion's Arch kept Zhaitan's forces at bay.

Does it just seem coincidental to you that the central power of Tyria, Lion's Arch, was Mordremoth's target? That he is waking up at a time when Tyria is at its weakest? The destruction of Lion's Arch is a huge blow to the Pact, and through Mordremoth's awakening the other dragons might begin to stir. They may have just been waiting for the opportune moment to hit.

Edit: One other thing, Zhaitan proved that 1v5, the dragons will lose. One dragon cannot defeat the unified races of Tyria. Doesn't it make sense that they wait for all of them to be awake and to attack as a unified force instead? Seems reasonable to me that they remain on the sidelines until they're all ready to go.

And perhaps more clearly: 5v5 sounds a lot more fair than 4v5.

Edited by Phineas Poe, 05 March 2014 - 09:30 PM.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:32 PM

View PostPhineas Poe, on 05 March 2014 - 09:20 PM, said:

And perhaps more clearly: 5v5 sounds a lot more fair than 4v5.

Though I do not think the Dragons suddenly had the incentive to work together... I think it was even stated in the lore that they will attack eachother on sight...
Then again.... it was also stated that Krait enslaved or killed everything that was not a Krait and look where they got...

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:37 PM

View PostBrandon the Don, on 05 March 2014 - 09:32 PM, said:

Though I do not think the Dragons suddenly had the incentive to work together... I think it was even stated in the lore that they will attack eachother on sight...

It was stated that their minions attack each other on sight. I think allegiance between elder dragons is a bit more nebulous, but one thing is certain: once all six are awake, they destroy everything as a part of a cycle.

Maybe they needed Mordremoth awake before the next part of the cycle can occur.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:44 PM

I love how some people still expect the best...

That suddenly the living stories are going to show Tengu, new areas, and/or more Dragons awakening is pure speculation.

All we know at this point:  There is ANOTHER dragon waking up.

While Anet has said it plans to accelerate plot lines, do we really expect to see this Living Story wrapped up my the end of the year?


Well, at least Scarlet is dead, she didn't become good at the last minute, (or even beg for her life).  So, on that point I agree.

Edited by Mordakai, 05 March 2014 - 09:44 PM.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:52 PM

View PostMordakai, on 05 March 2014 - 09:44 PM, said:

I love how some people still expect the best...

That suddenly the living stories are going to show Tengu, new areas, and/or more Dragons awakening is pure speculation.


So I have too high expectations but also too low expectations. This is all very confusing.

As for Scarlet's final moments, I thought it was humorous that she offered the opportunity to explain herself and Braham cuts her off and doesn't care. Personification much?

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 10:07 PM

View PostPhineas Poe, on 05 March 2014 - 09:37 PM, said:

It was stated that their minions attack each other on sight. I think allegiance between elder dragons is a bit more nebulous, but one thing is certain: once all six are awake, they destroy everything as a part of a cycle.

Maybe they needed Mordremoth awake before the next part of the cycle can occur.

Who knows, and if they keep the theme of destructing stuff like Kessex and LA, maybe the Tyrians that we know also get stirred up a little...

Though I still do not expect a coordinated attack with all the dragons all of a sudden really... I think we are just slowly progressing towards the dragons - who in turn may cause some notable destruction on their road...

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 10:09 PM

View PostPhineas Poe, on 05 March 2014 - 09:52 PM, said:

I

You.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 10:17 PM

View PostBrandon the Don, on 05 March 2014 - 10:07 PM, said:

Who knows, and if they keep the theme of destructing stuff like Kessex and LA, maybe the Tyrians that we know also get stirred up a little...

Though I still do not expect a coordinated attack with all the dragons all of a sudden really... I think we are just slowly progressing towards the dragons - who in turn may cause some notable destruction on their road...

Agreed. I don't see them flying together in formation, but I do believe that Mordremoth's slumber is directly linked to the other dragons' inactivity. And his awakening with their activity.

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 12:25 AM

Well, waking up a new dragon is probably a rather good idea.

Why?
Because suddenly having one of the "known" Elder Dragons start being extremely hostile and start attacking the Major Races directly would be quite weird.

With this cutscene we have a rather good reason as to why Mordremoth would attack us more or less at once.

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:18 AM

Well what I think will happen next is that with the awaking of Mordremoth, some of the races living in that area (which I’m assuming that it is in the deeper jungle areas of Maguuma) are going to come to our neck of the woods asking for help and we, being the good citizens that we are, are go to help them. After that’s done we will go find the source of the problem. (Being that our actual character or any other Npc doesn’t know the full extent of what Scarlet had done.)

Now what race is going to be affected by this awaking of Mordremoth?

Now if I recall correctly from GW Prophecies there was not really any sentient life in Maguuma area save some centaurs, and possible the nature spirits that are there.

Might be a good chance to introduce a different type of slyvari, those who are not affected by Ventari’s teachings or the Nightmare Courts’s influence like Malyck.

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