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#1 MazingerZ

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 07:14 PM

The post hasn't been tagged yet, but it hasn't been debunked by the community...

I don't want to get into the habit of over-linking, but since it originates from tieba (Chinese reddit) and got shared there.

The guy editing it seems to follow a different reddiquette, so it's full of strike-throughs, but faithfully reproduced...

GanydeBeilovsky said:

For those who are interested in following Anet's mighty quest of bringing GW2 to China, based on what has happened since KongZhong (The Chinese publisher that handles the release of GW2 in China) launched the beta, it is safe for me to say that it is a complete bust. Apparently 30 minutes ago KongZhong took over the GW2 tieba(for those who dont konw, tieba is the Chinese version of reddit) and started deleting every bit of negative feedback regarding beta and information about the NA/EU version of GW2. Also there are proves of KongZhong hiring random people on the internet to post fake(obviously) positive staff in the community. most of the Chinese EU/NA players left the community and what left of them were freaked out. The community is now in total chaos where you have KongZhong's thugs deleting posts and posting rubbish everywhere and players calling names and cursing at anyone that dare to post. It is not possible to reason with both sides.

Edit: you will have to forgive me if there is unreadable staff in my post, English is not my first language. :P

Edit: the takeover happened at 1700 GMT 1600 GMT,which was 1 AM midnight in China, but the community is still very much active.

Edit: the order is restored. Any new posts are being deleted instantly. Tyria bows to a new master! XD

Final Edit: me and others who tried to support the players have been banned in tieba due to 'posting negative comments'. Cant believe those people work so late. There will be no more update for now. Off to play some WvW.

btw how do I edit the title? :o

Comments read like this isn't NCsoft or ArenaNet, but the company they're letting run the game in China (tho with those type of community-muffling tactics, who can tell the difference?)

I suppose this does not bode well for the China release ArenaNet seems to be focusing on...

VIP Status does exist in the game, but it is being called "Royal Title."

That link also implies severe censorship during the beta feedback process.

Edited by MazingerZ, 14 March 2014 - 07:14 PM.

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#2 MisterB

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 07:31 PM

The Chinese government has regulations requiring censorship (Skeletal images are strictly forbidden, for one.) and forbidding ANet and NCSoft from publishing and/or administering the game. They also regulate(d?) their citizens' access to online games.

It's going to be difficult to discuss this topic without violating Guru's no politics discussion policy.

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 08:04 PM

Yikes.......

#4 RandolfRa

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 11:11 PM

They seem to have less hair styles, no iroquois for example.

#5 Alex Dimitri

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 11:14 PM

Ehh...they should have just slapped international server etiquette......and avoid any company "manage" their game in Asia. Simple and effective, and look at the all hard working Chinese people on EU and NA servers they are out on it 24/7 not speaking, having fake guilds and farming like crazy.....and nobody bothers them at all :) !

I`ve seen a lot of games go bust (good games) because of greedy sub company`s that want to milk their share of cash disregarding game and their playerbase. It`s nothing new been happening for years now.....do anyone wonder why they are so many kickstarters lately, simply gaming company`s act like music industry, record labels and different managers grab most of the cake while leaving artist to fight for crumbs..... !

I guess greedy people without talent (middle man) win !

#6 Lordkrall

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 02:00 AM

Doesn't that have to do with the fact that the Chinese government more or less REQUIRE a Chinese company to manage any game that is released officially in China? So basically NCSoft had no choice, unless they would accept dropping China altogether.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 04:05 AM

From a purely educational perspective, that is, seeing the cultural issues at play here, this is actually very interesting.  I'd always heard that Chinese, Russian, Korean, and Indian subcontinent localizations for various games were radically different to the point it's nearly unrecognizable.

#8 Baron von Scrufflebutt

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:13 AM

My favourite comments are the ones where folks argue that A.Net's devs are lying in a fetal position in a corner somewhere, crying their eyes out over the destruction of all their hard work. Clearly someone put money first and if you put money first, then I don't see why you get to bitch about the things that you value less than money.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:20 AM

View PostMisterB, on 14 March 2014 - 07:31 PM, said:

The Chinese government has regulations requiring censorship (Skeletal images are strictly forbidden, for one.) and forbidding ANet and NCSoft from publishing and/or administering the game. They also regulate(d?) their citizens' access to online games.

Boom.

Whatever Arenanet or anyone wants, they have no ability in China to regulate their own game beyond content patches.  There is nothing here to discuss, like usual, because the people do not have the same rights as we do.  I feel terrible just shutting down a topic like this, but what else is there to say?

EDIT:  Misspelled.

Edited by davadude, 15 March 2014 - 09:23 AM.

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#10 Lordkrall

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 10:57 AM

View PostBaron von Scrufflebutt, on 15 March 2014 - 09:13 AM, said:

My favourite comments are the ones where folks argue that A.Net's devs are lying in a fetal position in a corner somewhere, crying their eyes out over the destruction of all their hard work. Clearly someone put money first and if you put money first, then I don't see why you get to bitch about the things that you value less than money.

Oh my god, how dare a company that makes a living out of making money from their game put the money first?

And to be fair I have not seen anyone from ArenaNet "bitch about it".

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 12:25 PM

View PostLordkrall, on 15 March 2014 - 10:57 AM, said:

Oh my god, how dare a company that makes a living out of making money from their game put the money first?

And to be fair I have not seen anyone from ArenaNet "bitch about it".

I never argued that they were doing anything wrong or even out of the ordinary. They are a business, their primary goal isn't to make "nice" decisions, their primary goal is to make money.

And to be fair, I haven't argued that A.Net bitched about it.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 12:44 PM

Must have misunderstood the bolded part then. My bad.

View PostBaron von Scrufflebutt, on 15 March 2014 - 09:13 AM, said:

My favourite comments are the ones where folks argue that A.Net's devs are lying in a fetal position in a corner somewhere, crying their eyes out over the destruction of all their hard work. Clearly someone put money first and if you put money first, then I don't see why you get to bitch about the things that you value less than money.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 01:17 PM

View PostLordkrall, on 15 March 2014 - 12:44 PM, said:

Must have misunderstood the bolded part then. My bad.

That's why my post had two sentences: the first one provided context for the second one.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 05:41 PM

Stop the personal quote wars, and get back on topic.

Thank you.


Edit: And yes, we would ask that this topic avoids the political sphere. I believe that many of you are aware China's aptitude for censorship, so we'll leave it at that. If you aren't aware, there's this cool thing called "Google search".

Edited by Archaes, 15 March 2014 - 05:56 PM.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 06:01 PM

What exactly does this have to do with GW2 as we know it? It's an entirely different game over and that's ignoring the whole political issues.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 07:43 PM

This version is so hilariously awful. I laughed my head off imagining these bullet points as update notes. That would actually be awesome for ANet to do on April Fool's: Just release the changes that KhongZhong made as a phony changelog. They could troll the players so hard. :D

Spoiler
http://www.reddit.co...mmunity/cg2o3su

Edited by MisterB, 15 March 2014 - 07:50 PM.


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 07:10 AM

This gave me a good laugh at 3 am. They might as well not even release it. What an embarassment.

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 08:17 AM

I like how people react so strongly to this, especially since it is not very different from other MMOs that are released in China. Blade and Soul does seem to do quite well over there, and they have a very similar VIP-system (except that it also gives actual power if you buy it).

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Posted 18 March 2014 - 11:16 AM

Well Anet wanted the money and chased it. Bad press comes back to bite them.

However the new relationship has created some very good synergy.

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Chris, why has your post been edited so instead of you not engaging at the current time was changed to not engaging at all, ever. Are you stating it’s over?

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Yup. So I’m done with ever trying anything on these forums again. Been a great ride you guys.



They guy cant even be stand up - he has to go back and try and weasel.

#20 raspberry jam

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Posted 18 March 2014 - 11:48 AM

This is just normal Chinese game market stuff. This is also more or less what publishers want for the western market.

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 05:40 PM

In case anyone cares
https://forum-en.gui...T-CHINA-VERSION

Mike O talked about it and what he and his company stands for. If you need to see the disconnect with what they say and what is produced here is a very nice example at the bottom.

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 06:20 PM

View Postnerfandderf, on 19 March 2014 - 05:40 PM, said:

In case anyone cares
https://forum-en.gui...T-CHINA-VERSION

Mike O talked about it and what he and his company stands for. If you need to see the disconnect with what they say and what is produced here is a very nice example at the bottom.

Better link: http://www.reddit.co...ese_version_of/

What really makes me laugh is the loyalty program.  Honestly, he really, really shouldn't have said word one beyond the laws regarding China and the company's handle on the game.  People less savvy about China are going to seriously misconstrue his soft-shoeing (it is what it is, he's downplaying actions that he has minority control over) as what's coming down the pipe for the NA version.

A GW2 loyalty program.

Edited by MazingerZ, 19 March 2014 - 06:25 PM.

It's okay to enjoy crap if you're willing to admit it's crap.
Every patch is like ArenaNet walking out onto the stage of the International Don't Kitten Up Championship, and then proceeding to shiv itself in the stomach 30 times while screaming "IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD! IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!"

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 06:33 PM

LOL at this part:

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KongZhong once said there will be no VIP system in game, but in the CBT3 that the Royal Title system caused big controversy here as players basically regard this indeed is the VIP system. As a GW2 developer, how do you think about the situation here?


As developers, the important thing to us is that we hold true to our standards of what should be and what shouldn't be purchasable. (...) We believe the royal title system in GW2 is absolutely not a “pay to win” system. It certainly is a loyalty system: it gives you a reusable package of convenience items, plus gifts, plus discounts on everything else in the gem store, and the more you play the game the more convenience items you get. But the things it gives you are almost all things you could purchase with gems anyway. And they're convenience items, not power. There's no "pay to win" here.
Basically he's saying that yes, it's a VIP system (though not one as OP as is usual in China), he even admits that it's an unfair advantage right here:

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We think it's right that players can spend money on items to provide visual distinction or customization, and can spend money on account services and time-saving conveniences. We think it's right that players can trade gems for gold and vice-versa, such that players can keep up with other players and be on a level playing field, whether they use their time or money to do so. But we think it's never ok for players to buy a game and not be able to enjoy what they paid for without additional purchases. And we think it's never ok for players who spend money to have an unfair advantage over players who spend time.
Where does he get it from that it's ok that players who spend money have an unfair advantage over those who don't (apart from the initial purchase of the game, of course)?

Edited by raspberry jam, 19 March 2014 - 06:37 PM.


#24 MazingerZ

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 06:42 PM

Again, it's PR hogwash.  He's doing his best to mitigate the disparities between the two locales without explicitly stating that what KongZhong is doing is wrong (whether he believes that to be the case or not).  Anything that can even be construed as critical of the Chinese partner will have drastic ramifications for their attempt to push into the market.

What he'll never touch upon is how much money a player's time is worth.  Everything is equally accessible, theoretically, but let's face it, the field is tipped in favor of those willing to give cash.

Edited by MazingerZ, 19 March 2014 - 06:43 PM.

It's okay to enjoy crap if you're willing to admit it's crap.
Every patch is like ArenaNet walking out onto the stage of the International Don't Kitten Up Championship, and then proceeding to shiv itself in the stomach 30 times while screaming "IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD! IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!"




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