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#2311 Kyros731

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Posted 25 January 2014 - 07:39 PM

As I said i'm not looking for high graphic qualitiy. I'm more than willing to play on low settings. Thanks for the input. I do have a friend who'se agreed to let me test with his account once I buy the laptop. For the one you suggested.. I'll consider it, but its a bit more than I'm willing to spend. That being said, it's not just too much more and it wouldn't be that much of a hassle to make up the extra money.

Edited by Kyros731, 25 January 2014 - 07:40 PM.


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 10:50 PM

One thing I forgot to point out is that, that laptop you linked has 2 strikes against it.

1. The HD4000 graphics. The Intel graphics should be able to handle GW2 on low-mid settings, especially at 1366x768, but you may experience some stuttering and/or lag when a lot of spell effects happen at once.

2. The i3-3120m CPU. A dual-core mobile CPU is apt to choke quite badly during CPU intensive areas like L.A., events, and especially, WvW.

If you're not in a hurry, there should be some AMD A8-7600 based laptops on the market soon. I suspect that the CPU portion of that APU would only be about as good as the i3-3120, but the graphics portion is miles ahead.

http://www.tomshardw...averi,3725.html

Edited by Quaker, 25 January 2014 - 10:54 PM.


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 04:30 AM

For reference, I have an older Trinity based A6 APU that when overclocked with Kstat10 can handle GW2 ~40-45 FPS @ 1366 x 768 with a mix of low to medium settings.  It bombs badly in big events of course, but the newer APU generations are quite a bit better in the CPU portion.  They're worth a look at least.

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 01:39 AM

was planning on buiilding a cpu, any comments for this build. and any suggestions for the cooler. thanks

cpu i5 4670k
gpu gtx 750 ti
mobo gryphon z87
ram 8gb
power 600w
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Posted 26 August 2014 - 02:32 PM

Change the CPU to a newer i5-4690K (it should be about the same price). For a cooler, a basic CM Hyper 212+ will get you all the overclock a Haswell can handle.
For best performance with the Haswell CPU you'll want a Z97 based motherboard, not a Z87

Edited by Quaker, 26 August 2014 - 02:34 PM.


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Posted 26 August 2014 - 04:16 PM

I'd recommend a Core i5-4690K as well as the aforementioned Z97 motherboard. Its just a minor refresh, but these are the newer versions of the same products and should be available for approximately the same amount of money as an i5-4670K and equivalent Z87 board.

In particular, the -4690K is widely reported to stay about 10°C cooler at a given clock speed versus the -4670K due to improvements made to the chip's thermal interface. You won't likely get a better overclock out of it, though.

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 05:11 PM

View PostQuaker, on 26 August 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:

Change the CPU to a newer i5-4690K (it should be about the same price). For a cooler, a basic CM Hyper 212+ will get you all the overclock a Haswell can handle.
For best performance with the Haswell CPU you'll want a Z97 based motherboard, not a Z87

View Posttypographie, on 26 August 2014 - 04:16 PM, said:

I'd recommend a Core i5-4690K as well as the aforementioned Z97 motherboard. Its just a minor refresh, but these are the newer versions of the same products and should be available for approximately the same amount of money as an i5-4670K and equivalent Z87 board.

In particular, the -4690K is widely reported to stay about 10°C cooler at a given clock speed versus the -4670K due to improvements made to the chip's thermal interface. You won't likely get a better overclock out of it, though.

thanks for the feedback, i posted the same quest in pcpartpicker and someone suggested a Pentium g3258 for cpu and a r9 280x would that be good as well?

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 05:57 PM

View Postanudaw, on 27 August 2014 - 05:11 PM, said:

thanks for the feedback, i posted the same quest in pcpartpicker and someone suggested a Pentium g3258 for cpu and a r9 280x would that be good as well?

The Pentium G3258 is a very impressive processor for its $75 price because you can overclock it quite heavily, and pushed to its limits it can match or beat Core i3's worth a lot more money. For a low-end rig, or one where you intend to upgrade to another LGA-1150 processor later (like Broadwell), its a great choice. But to squeeze that much out of it you'll definitely need to be comfortable with extensive overclocking, and even then, it still won't be as fast as a Core i5 at default settings.

Additionally, GW2 in particular desperately needs a fast quad-core processor, so if you have the money to go with a Core i5 I wholeheartedly say its worth it.

The R9 280X is probably the best current price/performance deal on a video card for 1080p gaming right now, in that its the cheapest way to be sure you'll get max or near max detail at 1080p and 60 FPS in the vast majority of titles. Its a lot more expensive than the GTX 750 Ti you had picked out before, so it would be best to nail down your needs first: namely, what do you expect for resolution and framerates, and in what games?

Edited by typographie, 27 August 2014 - 06:07 PM.


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Posted 28 August 2014 - 02:01 PM

View Postanudaw, on 27 August 2014 - 05:11 PM, said:

thanks for the feedback, i posted the same quest in pcpartpicker and someone suggested a Pentium g3258 for cpu and a r9 280x would that be good as well?
Like Typo, I wouldn't suggest you get a G3258 unless budget is a real concern. However, if you don't plan to overclock, you could replace the i5-4690 with any less expensive Haswell i5, such as the i5-4460, to save a bit of money but get nearly the same performance. Or you could use the money saved on the CPU to get a better GPU such as a GTX-760 or R9 270X.
Overall, an i5-4460 with an R9 270X would perform better than the 4690 and GTX-750 Ti.

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 03:53 PM

Guys i need ur help i think im getting a good deal for 170$ im getting a new:

asrock h81m-vg4
core i5 4430 3.0

i got the mouse keyboard monitor case and a 60GB SSD, the display would be 1280x800, so the other parts would be:

GTX 760 2GB this one http://www.amazon.co...eywords=gtx 760

8GB DDR3 1600 RAM this one http://www.amazon.co...-1&keywords=ram

the power supply i dont have any idea of which one i need(maybe a 500W one would make the trick?) and since i cant OC i dont know if im gonna need something to keep the GPU cool :) ty for any advice u give me i know there r better processors out there that u can OC but i would need a expensier mother board and processor :P

Edited by namasher, 19 September 2014 - 04:08 PM.


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Posted 19 September 2014 - 04:41 PM

View Postnamasher, on 19 September 2014 - 03:53 PM, said:

Guys i need ur help i think im getting a good deal for 170$ im getting a new:

asrock h81m-vg4
core i5 4430 3.0

i got the mouse keyboard monitor case and a 60GB SSD, the display would be 1280x800, so the other parts would be:

GTX 760 2GB this one http://www.amazon.co...eywords=gtx 760

8GB DDR3 1600 RAM this one http://www.amazon.co...-1&keywords=ram

the power supply i dont have any idea of which one i need(maybe a 500W one would make the trick?) and since i cant OC i dont know if im gonna need something to keep the GPU cool :) ty for any advice u give me i know there r better processors out there that u can OC but i would need a expensier mother board and processor :P

That looks like a pretty decent system to me. No need to be ashamed of the i5-4430, its going to perform just as well as any Haswell-based Core i5 without overclocking… that is, very well.

You almost never need to worry about aftermarket GPU coolers, because the video card partners (EVGA, MSI, Asus, Gigabyte, etc.) put their own excellent third-party air coolers on most of their products. Very few aftermarket coolers actually exist for purchase, and most of them are liquid cooling blocks. I wouldn't worry too much about overclocking the GTX 760; while you could likely squeeze some more power out of it, its already kinda overkill for 1280x800.

Edited by typographie, 19 September 2014 - 04:41 PM.


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Posted 19 September 2014 - 05:16 PM

thank you for ur reply typographie i feel more safe now with that CPU :) and ok no liquid cooling then :P maybe later im gonna grab a better display to take more advantage of the GPU

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Posted 20 September 2014 - 02:51 AM

View Postnamasher, on 19 September 2014 - 05:16 PM, said:

thank you for ur reply typographie i feel more safe now with that CPU :) and ok no liquid cooling then :P maybe later im gonna grab a better display to take more advantage of the GPU

I don't think the GTX 760 is a bad idea even if it currently a bit overkill, as it will make a monitor upgrade a lot easier. And the $180-250 bracket is kind of a sweet spot, cheaper cards often sacrifice too much for the money they save you.

If you have the option and haven't purchased yet, I'd actually recommend going with a Radeon R9 280 or 285 unless you're really married to PhysX or something. Performance is consistently better for around the same price, sometimes cheaper.

Edited by typographie, 20 September 2014 - 03:00 AM.


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Posted 20 September 2014 - 04:05 AM

great advice in that GPU im gonna look some benchmarks and reviews, thank god i didnt bought it without checking that one :P

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Posted 20 September 2014 - 05:27 PM

View Postnamasher, on 20 September 2014 - 04:05 AM, said:

great advice in that GPU im gonna look some benchmarks and reviews, thank god i didnt bought it without checking that one :P

Here's a couple of good reviews from the recent R9 285 launch:
http://www.tomshardw...tonga,3925.html
http://www.anandtech...n-r9-285-review

The other option is the likely-incoming GTX 960. Nvidia just released the $500 GTX 980 and $330 GTX 970 a day or two ago, so chances are we're in for a $200-ish version as well. That could be weeks or months out, but its something to be aware of.

Edited by typographie, 20 September 2014 - 05:39 PM.


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Posted 21 September 2014 - 04:30 AM

oh nice im thinking in getting the GPU close to the black friday so im gonna keep tracking that series of GPU for a release in my price range, BTW i got at the store with the same price an i5 4570 3.2GHz which i thought was a bit better than the 4430 and took it :D but i need ur advice again, they told me i need a cooler master vortex plus u think its necessary? they said the GPU would raise the overall temp of everything so i needed one and maybe some fans D: and idk nothing about PSU for GPUs of that range which one should i get that works with my mobo/CPU and with the GPU together? and one last thing i need a cheap gaming case because they told me a 1200W PSU wouldnt fit in mine so how i know when i buy one if its gonna work for me? the dimensions or idk. Sorry for so much questions its just that this is my first gaming rig so im learning the stuff :P thank you again :)

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Posted 21 September 2014 - 02:47 PM

View Postnamasher, on 21 September 2014 - 04:30 AM, said:

i got at the store with the same price an i5 4570 3.2GHz .... they told me i need a cooler master vortex plus u think its necessary? ... 1200W PSU wouldnt fit in mine so how i know when i buy one if its gonna work for me?
LOL! - First word of advice - don't listen to those doofuses, and preferably, if you can, don't shop there any more.

1. If you are not overclocking, you don't "need" anything other than the stock cooler that comes with the i5-4570. If the 4570 you bought didn't come with a cooler, then it's either an OEM model, or it's one they removed from a system while upgrading.
In any case, if you do need a cooler, or just want to use a better one than stock, just get a basic CM Hyper TX3 or even a T2.
http://www.amazon.co...ds=cm hyper TX3

2. Even nVidia themselves only recommend a 500 watt power supply for use with a GTX-760 and that 500watts is for the entire system, not just the GPU (GTX-760)
If someone is suggesting you need a 1200 watt power supply, you have my permission to slap them (or yourself :) ) upside the head. Even running 2 GTX-760s in SLI would only need 670 watts and any modern 500-750 watt power supply will fit in most cases just fine.
http://www.geforce.c.../specifications
Note - a bigger than necessary power supply will NOT make your system any more "powerful". It would just be a waste of money.
Note2 - under normal not-overclocked circumstances, an entire system with an i5-4570, a GTX-760, RAM, HDD, etc, will actually consume less than 300 watts, so even a 500 watt supply leaves you lots of headroom.

3. I'm not sure what case you intend to use, but it is possible you might need an extra fan or two. Contrary to what some people seem to be telling you though, the GTX-760 is not particularly power hungry and won't put out great amounts of heat under normal circumstances. So, generally speaking, if you have 1 or 2 120mm fans in the front of the case (blowing in) and one 120mm fan on the rear of the case (blowing out), you should have more than enough air flow for a single GPU.
(For reference, I run an i5-3570K with an HD7870 in a mini tower case with that fan setup - and a CM TX3.)

4. The CM Vortex Plus is a lower profile cooler than the TX3, so which one would fit may depend upon your case - if it's really small or low profile. In any case, as I said, you don't "need" anything other than the stock Intel fan, but the TX3 (or Vortex) would run cooler and quieter.

Edited by Quaker, 21 September 2014 - 03:05 PM.


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Posted 21 September 2014 - 03:42 PM

View Postnamasher, on 21 September 2014 - 04:30 AM, said:

oh nice im thinking in getting the GPU close to the black friday so im gonna keep tracking that series of GPU for a release in my price range, BTW i got at the store with the same price an i5 4570 3.2GHz which i thought was a bit better than the 4430 and took it :D but i need ur advice again, they told me i need a cooler master vortex plus u think its necessary? they said the GPU would raise the overall temp of everything so i needed one and maybe some fans D: and idk nothing about PSU for GPUs of that range which one should i get that works with my mobo/CPU and with the GPU together? and one last thing i need a cheap gaming case because they told me a 1200W PSU wouldnt fit in mine so how i know when i buy one if its gonna work for me? the dimensions or idk. Sorry for so much questions its just that this is my first gaming rig so im learning the stuff :P thank you again

Sounds like someone was trying to sell you something you didn't need. :P

Even if you bought a high-end video card, like a GTX 780 Ti, or a GTX 980, your system would probably draw less than you'd get from a quality 650 W unit. In your case, going with a mid-range video card, you're going to do fine with a 500-550 W unit. The dimensions aren't [usually] an issue, as power supplies generally conform to the ATX standard dimensions to fit inside ATX cases.

You shouldn't "need" an aftermarket cooler; Intel wouldn't bundle their stock one with their processors if they thought it was going to result in tons of warranty claims. That said, I'm an advocate of getting at least a cheap aftermarket air cooler even if you aren't going to overclock, even if just to reduce noise. I second the Coolermaster Hyper TX3 that Quaker suggested. Its usually under $20, and its an improvement over the barebones stock cooler.

The i5-4570 is fine. Any of the Core i5-4xxx processors are basically the same product, only varying slightly in their clock speeds. The -4570 is 200 MHz faster than the -4430. Couldn't hurt, especially since you can't overclock either.

Edited by typographie, 21 September 2014 - 03:50 PM.


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 01:24 AM

i felt like the 1200W PSU was ridiculous,. My case its (widthxheight) 43cmx41cm which its the dimensions the ATX type of cases have(well they close to that) so no problem with an R9 280x right?(gonna sell my PS3 and some games so gonna grab a GPU at that range :P bit higher than the R9 285) but now what would u do grab the hyper cooler? or save a bit more and buy this case http://www.amazon.co...s=atx case nzxt which one would give better results and help in further rigs to keep temps low? btw i have a PSU of 475W max this one work for my GPU and MoBo?(the connections of this ones r standard to the power supply?) and my case has 0 fans only the exhaust for the CPU fan and PSU fan but not built in fans,others can be added though i think but since this NZXT has 3 built in ones looks like a nice deal.


Once again thanks guys for helping me, i think u gonna recommend me getting another PSU but its always better to be sure :P in that case im gonna leave the cooler system upgrade(case or hyper) for later

Edited by namasher, 22 September 2014 - 01:28 AM.


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 03:28 AM

View Postnamasher, on 22 September 2014 - 01:24 AM, said:

Once again thanks guys for helping me, i think u gonna recommend me getting another PSU but its always better to be sure :P in that case im gonna leave the cooler system upgrade(case or hyper) for later

I would indeed recommend a better power supply than 475 W. The R9 280X will eat up about 250 watts on its own, and you're likely going to end up running it at its full capacity. Additionally, most R9 280X's will likely require at least one 6-pin and one 8-pin PCIe power connector, if not two 8-pins. Some lower-end PSUs may not have those available, as they aren't intended to be used with higher-end video cards.

http://www.newegg.co...9-060-_-Product
There's a lot of options, but I think you'd be in good shape with this.

As for the 280X's length, that depends on the specific product you get. An R9 280X from Asus/MSI/Sapphire etc. all may be different sizes. I'd recommend checking the manufacturer specifications for your case, as most list a maximum supported video card length. Newegg usually lists the length of each card.

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Posted 22 September 2014 - 01:57 PM

Well, you didn't actually give any brand and/or model number for the case you have, so it's impossible to say if the NZXT one is significantly better or not. If your current case can accept a couple of additional 120mm fans, then it would be cheaper just to add the fans, but if your current case doesn't really have the spots available for fans, or uses smaller, noisier fans, then the NZXT may work better overall. Cases are a very personal thing anyway - if you like the NZXT's looks, then go for it. It is a good quality, good airflow case.

Like the case, you gave no indication of the make/model of your current power supply. If it's a new-ish good quality unit and has the proper connectors it should work OK. But, if it's some generic cheap-o that came with a case/system, it's apt to be a bit over-rated and could lead to problems.
However, I don't think you need to go quite so far as to spend $95 on a Gold certified PSU when a Bronze one will do just as well. :)
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817139027
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817139028

The Bronze units might cost you an extra $2 in electricity each year, but other than that, will work just fine.

Edited by Quaker, 22 September 2014 - 01:57 PM.


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 05:06 PM

View PostQuaker, on 22 September 2014 - 01:57 PM, said:

However, I don't think you need to go quite so far as to spend $95 on a Gold certified PSU when a Bronze one will do just as well. :)
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817139027
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817139028

The Bronze units might cost you an extra $2 in electricity each year, but other than that, will work just fine.

Personally, I'd rather spend the extra for a modular/semi-modular cable design for the extra ease of building with it. As I've learned from experience, cable management can be very important to case airflow. The CS series is fine if you want to spend less.

I don't worry too much about the 80 Plus rating (and certainly not its affect on the power bill), although greater efficiency theoretically means less heat generation and often quieter operation, which is certainly not without value. For what its worth I don't think you're paying much more for the 80 Plus Gold rating (80 Plus Gold power supplies are a dime a dozen today), rather, the modular cable feature often tends to command a $20-40 difference on its own.

Edited by typographie, 22 September 2014 - 05:08 PM.


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 05:24 PM

View Posttypographie, on 22 September 2014 - 05:06 PM, said:

the modular cable feature often tends to command a $20-40 difference on its own.
Too true, but ....
http://www.newegg.co...=9SIA4DA1ZF7987
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Edited by Quaker, 22 September 2014 - 05:26 PM.





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