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#2341 Quaker

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 03:00 PM

View Postnamasher, on 03 October 2014 - 08:46 PM, said:

gonna leave the cpu cooler for later when i begin the OC plan when i change the mobo
This may be another typo, but, you'll want to change the CPU (and the motherboard) if you want to overclock at some later time. You'll want a processor that ends with 'K', such as the i5-4690K or i7-4790K, plus an overclock friendly 'Z' series motherboard (Z97 chipset).
If you actually think you might overclock later you should get those parts now. But I wouldn't worry about it much, you'll probably be so happy with the performance of your new system, you won't ever bother to overclock it.
(For example, I used to get OC friendly parts for many years, but after never actually OC'ing in the past 7 years or so, I've finally given up even buying the required parts. :) However, I do have an i5-3570K, because it was the fastest at the time, and I do use a CM Hyper TX3 because it's very quiet.)

Edited by Quaker, 04 October 2014 - 03:02 PM.


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Posted 10 October 2014 - 12:20 PM

View PostQuaker, on 04 October 2014 - 03:00 PM, said:

This may be another typo, but, you'll want to change the CPU (and the motherboard) if you want to overclock at some later time. You'll want a processor that ends with 'K', such as the i5-4690K or i7-4790K, plus an overclock friendly 'Z' series motherboard (Z97 chipset).
If you actually think you might overclock later you should get those parts now. But I wouldn't worry about it much, you'll probably be so happy with the performance of your new system, you won't ever bother to overclock it.
(For example, I used to get OC friendly parts for many years, but after never actually OC'ing in the past 7 years or so, I've finally given up even buying the required parts. :) However, I do have an i5-3570K, because it was the fastest at the time, and I do use a CM Hyper TX3 because it's very quiet.)

Thanks for the guide.

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Posted 22 October 2014 - 09:01 AM

Just curious as I am rather computer retarded I am wondering if http://www.dell.com/...lienware-x51-r2 would run GW2 well for wvw. the funds are not truly an issue (as people seem to hate alienware) and quaker I would love your input as well as you seem super knowledgeable.

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Posted 23 October 2014 - 01:56 PM

Given the specs of the linked config, it should play GW2 quite well. You can't get much better than the i7-4790 for a processor - which is the main concern for WvW - and the 760 Ti is more than adequate for 'high' graphics settings (at 1920x1080).
We'd have to check out various reviews of it to see if there are any specific problems or missing features, but the specs are certainly good enough. One concern might be cooling - it might get hot during a lengthy GW2 session, because of the small case.

http://www.stuff.tv/...x51-2014/review

Edited by Quaker, 23 October 2014 - 02:01 PM.


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Posted 24 October 2014 - 05:00 AM

View PostKrakilin24, on 22 October 2014 - 09:01 AM, said:

Just curious as I am rather computer retarded I am wondering if http://www.dell.com/...lienware-x51-r2 would run GW2 well for wvw. the funds are not truly an issue (as people seem to hate alienware) and quaker I would love your input as well as you seem super knowledgeable.

The usual concern with Alienware is that you're often getting less for your money than other options. But at least in this case you're getting a small form factor which is somewhat unique and a bit more complicated to do yourself. If this is what you want, and you're happy with the price, I won't try to convince you otherwise.

As far as the system specs go, this should be a very solid system for most modern games at 1080p. GW2 in particular will run very well (or at least as well as it does for anyone).

Cooling is theoretically more of a concern in a small form factor due to less airflow, but I'd hope that a $1600 Alienware PC has taken that into account in its design. You can't overclock an i7-4790, and the GTX 760 Ti isn't going to get very hot either. Pay attention to your hardware temperatures from time to time, as any PC gamer should, but I think it will be fine.

Edited by typographie, 24 October 2014 - 05:02 AM.


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Posted 25 October 2014 - 08:59 AM

Hmm so any recommendation for price and decent cooling? I almost wvw exclusivly. been looking at alienware (I get a 20% discount on dell) and Ibuypower's erebus GT system. I need prebuilt due to my own incompetancy with systems. but if you guys have any recommendations that are more suitable I would absolutely appreciate it.

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Posted 25 October 2014 - 03:48 PM

Actually, I can't find any reviews that have any complaints about the X51 overheating - it apparently feels a bit warm during heavy use, but that doesn't affect performance - so you could just go with that.
Other than that, you could try to find or configure a regular Alienware or Dell desktop, such as an XPS 8700, with roughly the same specs.

Edited by Quaker, 25 October 2014 - 03:52 PM.


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Posted 29 October 2014 - 08:57 AM

I have all the parts with me now for an htpc/light gaming build using a Bitfenix Colossus Micro ATX and would like to know how capable it will be. Keep in mind I have all parts and will be building it in a couple weeks after my MCAT, so I don't think I'll be changing anything out.

core i3 4370 (3.8 Ghz dual core) with stock cooler
asrock h97m pro4 mobo
evga gtx 750 ti FTW w/ ACX cooling
evga 650W 80+ gold psu (bundled with gpu)
8gb crucial ballistix 1600 mhz
120gb samsung 840 evo ssd + 1tb WD blue

Thanks in advance for the feedback!

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Posted 29 October 2014 - 03:02 PM

It should be more than adequate for HTPC and "light gaming" use. Even for GW2 you should be able to play basic PvE or do things like crafting, etc, while lying on the couch in front of the tv. :)

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Posted 06 January 2015 - 02:26 AM

So, it's been a few years (life has been cruel hahaha) but I'm finally getting the most expensive parts around to purchase and I've gotten in to a pickle, and that is the gpu. I'm looking to spend around $100 on it and I'm looking at the GTX 570 ($96), GTX 650 ($109), GTX 750 ($109), and the Radeon 7770 ($99), but I can't decide which. The parts I've got in my shopping cart as of now are the following

i3-4130
http://www.amazon.co...d=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Ram
http://www.amazon.co...d=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Mobo
http://www.amazon.co...pID=517YLplMnhL

Going to be using Windows 8.1 and still picking out my case. Another thing I need help with ia a psu. I'm thinking 500-550w should do fine but I'm not entirely certain. Any advice would be greatly appreciated, especially in my gpu endeavor.

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Posted 06 January 2015 - 01:47 PM

View PostPopcorn89, on 06 January 2015 - 02:26 AM, said:

I'm looking to spend around $100 on it and I'm looking at the GTX 570 ($96), GTX 650 ($109), GTX 750 ($109), and the Radeon 7770 ($99), but I can't decide which.

Where did you find that GTX 570 for $96? It's the fastest option you've listed, but it's an old card so I suspect it's only available used. Many used cards on Ebay were likely abused in bitcoin mining rigs, and it's hard to verify that they weren't. Either way, a 570 at this point would likely have years of use.

500–600 Watts is fine for any of the cards you listed, though the quality and reliability of the unit is generally a bigger issue. Make sure you pick one made by a good manufacturer. Do you have a budget in mind for the PSU?

Edited by typographie, 06 January 2015 - 01:47 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2015 - 03:35 PM

I agree with Typo that the GTX-570 is probably used, but it could be a refurbished unit. The GTX-570, if it is somehow "new" or factory refurbished would be the best performer of the cards you listed. It would also be the biggest and most power hungry of them.
Of the other cards, the GTX-750 is the best overall.

With the components you've selected, even a Corsair CX430 (or similar) would be fine as a power supply, unless you do opt for the GTX-570, in which case I'd up that to 500 watts. Given the trend towards lower power consumption, a CX430 could last you for years, even with a significant CPU and GPU upgrade, but you may want to get a 500-550 watt supply (such as a Corsair CX500) for the extra wiggle room.

For a case, keep in mind that, for a budget system, a case is just a box to hold your stuff together. Almost any basic ATX case that fits your budget will do. There is nothing about the case that will affect the "performance" of the build, just the aesthetics, ease of construction, etc.

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Posted 06 January 2015 - 05:20 PM

I was looking on Amazon. I was just going to post a link to it but it's out of stock now :/ it wasn't new I know that much, is was used. If I went with the 750, would it be worth the extra $30 to get the ti version, or extra $10 and get the r7 260x? I really wanted to stick as close to $100 as I could, and the 750 ti is $130 and the r7 260x is $120. If I ordered it in pieces instead of all at once I could get the 750 ti or the r7 260x, it would just take a little longer to get all my parts that's all. If the 750 ti or r7 260x wouldn't be worth it though I'll get the regular 750.

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Posted 07 January 2015 - 04:19 PM

Yes, it would be well worth the extra money to opt for a 750 Ti or an R7 260X. The R7 260X performs on about the same "tier" as the 750 Ti, and they're both roughly one "tier" above the plain 750.
The GTX-750 Ti consumes less power - some versions have no extra power connections. The R7 260X is slightly faster, but requires an extra PCIe power connector (which should be on the power supply - if not, the R7 probably comes with an adapter.)
Both of those would work fine on a 430watt or higher power supply, so you could spend a bit extra on the GTX-750 Ti and save some on the power supply.

Edited by Quaker, 07 January 2015 - 04:20 PM.


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Posted 07 January 2015 - 04:59 PM

View PostPopcorn89, on 06 January 2015 - 05:20 PM, said:

I was looking on Amazon. I was just going to post a link to it but it's out of stock now :/ it wasn't new I know that much, is was used. If I went with the 750, would it be worth the extra $30 to get the ti version, or extra $10 and get the r7 260x? I really wanted to stick as close to $100 as I could, and the 750 ti is $130 and the r7 260x is $120. If I ordered it in pieces instead of all at once I could get the 750 ti or the r7 260x, it would just take a little longer to get all my parts that's all. If the 750 ti or r7 260x wouldn't be worth it though I'll get the regular 750.

The HD 7770 is probably the best you can get for ~$100. Stepping up to an R7 260X is worth the extra $20 if you can afford to do so. There are some 260X's with rebates that bring them down to $100–110, if that's more palatable to you.

I personally think the GTX 750 and 750 Ti don't make sense unless you absolutely need such a power-efficient card. There's a price premium attached to their almost supernaturally low power consumption. Despite being cheaper, the R7 260X is approximately as fast as the 750 Ti.

I'm a lot more comfortable recommending slightly slower, new cards covered under warranties rather than cheap used cards.

Edited by typographie, 07 January 2015 - 05:00 PM.


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Posted 12 January 2015 - 02:34 AM

I went with the r7 260x guys, thanks for the help! Now, would a 500 or 550w psu be enough ? Also, did I make the right choice opting for the i3-4130 over the fx 6300 and fx 6330? I looked at benchmarks and it appeared as though the i3 was on par with multi threaded things and blew it away in single thread performance.

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Posted 12 January 2015 - 03:31 PM

As I've said before 400 watts is "enough". 500-550 watts is more than enough. Many people still go for even larger power supplies in case they want to add a second graphics card later, but in your case, even dual r7 260s wouldn't need more than 500 watts.
So basically 400-550 watts is "enough" - you can power an i7-4790 plus an R9 270X with 500 watts.

I think the choice between the i3 and the FX is basically a toss up. The i3 has a better upgrade path though (to an i5).

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Posted 12 January 2015 - 04:01 PM

Hi everybody
My friend asked me to build up a new pc
She own a laptop right now, nothing too big but she is a small gamer, right now she want to play the new dragon age game and the laptop just cant.
So here is what i put together
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/H6zND3

Probably getting this too as she need keyboard and speaker
http://www.ncix.com/...103984-1315.htm

Will need an operating system, probably add 100$ for a window

Small build, not too pricy, probably enough to fit her need.


Opinion?

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Posted 12 January 2015 - 08:19 PM

Alrighty, thanks Quaker!

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Posted 13 January 2015 - 02:59 PM

View PostPopcorn89, on 12 January 2015 - 02:34 AM, said:

Now, would a 500 or 550w psu be enough ? Also, did I make the right choice opting for the i3-4130 over the fx 6300 and fx 6330? I looked at benchmarks and it appeared as though the i3 was on par with multi threaded things and blew it away in single thread performance.

As Quaker said, a 400 Watt unit is enough, probably more than enough. Though most power supplies hit their peak efficiency (in terms of heat output and noise specifically) around 50–70% of their rated output. 500 W is still low enough that I'd consider it a reasonable choice. If budget constraints mean you're choosing between a mediocre 500 W PSU and a good 400 W PSU though, definitely take the good 400 W unit.

You made the right choice with the Core i3. We're at the point where Haswell-based i3's are usually as fast or faster in games than anything in AMD's FX lineup, and that advantage only widens in games that aren't well threaded.

View PostKitanul, on 12 January 2015 - 04:01 PM, said:

Opinion?

It's a good start.

As I said a few posts ago, I don't really recommend the GTX 750 Ti unless you are working around a serious PSU limitation. For less money you can get an R7 260X that's just as fast, or for the same money an R7 265 that's faster.

Does your friend actually plan to overclock? If not you could go with a locked Core i5 (-4690, -4590, etc.) and H97 motherboard to save a bit of money to put toward a faster video card. I think it would be wise to get at least an R9 280 for 1080p gaming, especially since Dragon Age: Inquisition is fairly demanding.

Edited by typographie, 13 January 2015 - 03:04 PM.


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Posted 13 January 2015 - 04:32 PM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/gcDq99

Nop, she probably dont even know what that is.
Thank for your advice! I made some research on what you said and yeah, i just switch the motherboard and core for abit lower but better price.

I dont know Radeon card at all so i tend to stick on geforce, at first i wanted a gtx 770, to lower the bugdet i put the 750 instead, but after looking r9 280x price is just between and the performance are better than 750 and almost up to the 770.

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Posted 13 January 2015 - 06:33 PM

View PostKitanul, on 13 January 2015 - 04:32 PM, said:

I dont know Radeon card at all so i tend to stick on geforce, at first i wanted a gtx 770, to lower the bugdet i put the 750 instead, but after looking r9 280x price is just between and the performance are better than 750 and almost up to the 770.

In terms of performance,
R7 260X ≈ GTX 750 Ti
(R9 270X doesn't really have a Nvidia equivalent)
R9 280 ≈ GTX 760 (though the 280 is almost always faster)
R9 280X ≈ GTX 770

Unfortunately AMD tends to have more cost-effective and attractive products right now below the GTX 970/980. That may change as Nvidia rolls out more 900-series cards over the next few months, but as of right now you're paying a bit more for Nvidia hardware than what their performance justifies. Which is fine, I'm just making sure you have the information.

I will say that for a good experience in Dragon Age: Inquisition at 1080p, your friend is probably going to want a GTX 760/R9 280 or better.
Benchmarks - though note this was done with the Ultra preset.

Edited by typographie, 13 January 2015 - 06:36 PM.





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