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#1 gwgchrisatzazzle

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 04:20 AM

In the new wardrobe Anet wants us to buy new transmutation charges.  But I feel Anet can make plenty of money without these charges.

How?  Improve the BLC rewards.  
*Improve weapon scown drops.
*higher weapon's ticket drops.
*higher chance of rare item drops from chests.


Then Anet let players use this wardrobe for free.  A free wardrobe would also expand the player base more than a skin store.        

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 04:42 AM

dude ive had 150 transmutation stones and converted them + 5 from the gem store + pvp ones and got almost 100 charges. I wont buy charges from the gemstore soon so i am happy with that change

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 05:05 AM

If it doesn't affect you, then you care less about other people.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 05:27 AM

In their old system they want you to buy transmutation stone and crystal,  nothing is really different. It's a way for them to make money and to use it a gold sink. If you really need some charges just make an alt  and map complete the Grove. Delete and repeat. I played with a few alts so I accumulated enough.

A free wardrobe might increase the player base but it would also be less profitable for them.

Edited by Khalid, 16 April 2014 - 05:28 AM.


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Posted 16 April 2014 - 07:45 AM

We've been discussing the wardrobe charges extensively in your other topic already:

http://www.guildwars...ld-only-unlock/

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 08:05 AM

View PostKhalid, on 16 April 2014 - 05:27 AM, said:

In their old system they want you to buy transmutation stone and crystal,  nothing is really different. It's a way for them to make money and to use it a gold sink. If you really need some charges just make an alt  and map complete the Grove. Delete and repeat. I played with a few alts so I accumulated enough.

A free wardrobe might increase the player base but it would also be less profitable for them.
If their old system is so great then why make a new system?  Players asked for a wardrobe to save space.  This rental store will not do that.

Grinding through map completion by creating and deleting characters is not playing the game.  It's a boring exploit that Anet allows for now.  

money and gold sink:  Why the wardrobe?  We have real content Anet can sell to make money BLC's, skins, finishers,  and other things.  But gating skins through charges is not content.

A FREE wardrobe like the one in LOTR online will only help to expand the player base.  

View PostBurnteye, on 16 April 2014 - 07:45 AM, said:

We've been discussing the wardrobe charges extensively in your other topic already:

http://www.guildwars...ld-only-unlock/
Different idea but still related to the wardrobe.  But all the problems I raised in that post have come true.

Edited by gwgchrisatzazzle, 16 April 2014 - 08:20 AM.


#7 Gecko

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 08:30 AM

Problems are in the eye of the beholder.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 08:46 AM

Many games "DCUO, LOTRO, SL" have FREE wardrobes "after skin unlock" and still make money.  A free wardrobe would help push more gem skins than one that limits your inventory.  It also expands the player base to people who will spend large amounts of money to make their character look good.

Edited by gwgchrisatzazzle, 16 April 2014 - 08:47 AM.


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Posted 16 April 2014 - 09:01 AM

Many games do things different than GW2 do, and many games and GW2 make money and expand their playerbase in their own way.

I am sure Anet have done their calculations and thought it through, before they used time to develop the wardrobe. You clearly do not like the idea of it, while it seems that some other people are content with it.

Feel free to raise a thousand threads on this issue, but I does not seem that a lot of people agree with you, and I do not think Anet will roll the wardrobe back. Maybe your time is better spent simply ignoring the wardrobe and focus on the rest of the game.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 09:09 AM

View PostGecko, on 16 April 2014 - 09:01 AM, said:

Many games do things different than GW2 do, and many games and GW2 make money and expand their playerbase in their own way.

I am sure Anet have done their calculations and thought it through, before they used time to develop the wardrobe. You clearly do not like the idea of it, while it seems that some other people are content with it.

Feel free to raise a thousand threads on this issue, but I does not seem that a lot of people agree with you, and I do not think Anet will roll the wardrobe back. Maybe your time is better spent simply ignoring the wardrobe and focus on the rest of the game.
You must not be reading the official forums.  There are many players posting multiple reasons for not liking the wardrobe.

But this is not the official forums.  Tolls banned from the OF have taken over this forum.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 09:17 AM

View Postgwgchrisatzazzle, on 16 April 2014 - 09:09 AM, said:

You must not be reading the official forums.  There are many players posting multiple reasons for not liking the wardrobe.

But this is not the official forums.  Tolls banned from the OF have taken over this forum.

Just because people here disagree with you doesn't make them trolls.

I love the new system and don't see the problem with it at all. you do NOT need the cashshop to get charges, you can get them through playing the game (and i don't mean making a char to complete cities , rinse and repeat). The way it is now makes it a nice compromise of making money for anet and what many players wanted in the first place. Sometimes you just need to make compromises instead of comlain because its not exactly as you want it.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 09:30 AM

View Postdss_live, on 16 April 2014 - 09:17 AM, said:

Just because people here disagree with you doesn't make them trolls.

I love the new system and don't see the problem with it at all. you do NOT need the cashshop to get charges, you can get them through playing the game (and i don't mean making a char to complete cities , rinse and repeat). The way it is now makes it a nice compromise of making money for anet and what many players wanted in the first place. Sometimes you just need to make compromises instead of comlain because its not exactly as you want it.
The whole point is for the charges to make money for Anet.  But you're saying to everyone just play the game and grind for them.

Why should players waste time grinding for charges, if they don't plan on buying them with real money anyways?  Anet might as well save players the trouble and make all transmutations free.

Or do you think this is some kind of End Game and you need that carrot to chase?

Edited by gwgchrisatzazzle, 16 April 2014 - 09:34 AM.


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Posted 16 April 2014 - 09:39 AM

View Postgwgchrisatzazzle, on 16 April 2014 - 09:30 AM, said:

Why should players waste time grinding for charges, if they don't plan on buying them with real money anyways?  

Why should you not if you do not want to pay?

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 09:56 AM

View PostBrandon the Don, on 16 April 2014 - 09:39 AM, said:

Why should you not if you do not want to pay?
Because the charges are very bad for the health of the game.  It's will not work as intended.
*Too many players will just farm for them.
*Players will only use charges on their main because the price to transmute is 3X what it was for 1-79 players.
*does not save the bag space Anet said it would.
*limits new gem store skin sales because of players having little bag space.
*SPvP players are already hate the charges

A Free to transmute wardrobe would:
*Save bag/bank space
*Adds new player base to the game "more roleplayers and players who want to play dress up" that spend real money.
*convince with no restrictions

Edited by gwgchrisatzazzle, 16 April 2014 - 09:57 AM.


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Posted 16 April 2014 - 10:01 AM

View Postgwgchrisatzazzle, on 16 April 2014 - 08:46 AM, said:

Many games "DCUO, LOTRO, SL" have FREE wardrobes "after skin unlock" and still make money.  A free wardrobe would help push more gem skins than one that limits your inventory.  It also expands the player base to people who will spend large amounts of money to make their character look good.
LotRO does have a nice Wardrobe system with cross-weight combinations available, but it is not free (except for VIP players/Subscribers). You need to buy Wardrobe space etc. with the Turbine points that can be earned through in-game achievements or from real life cash, and the LotRO cosmetics have taken a lot more of my storage space than the ones in GW2 ever have (due to limited wardrobe space).... Here we have all our unlocked skins freely available with just the small limitation of charges that can be easily acquired through exploration etc. I still like cross-weight combos, but otherwise I find GW2's Wardrobe system better atm.

Edited by Pariah, 16 April 2014 - 10:03 AM.


#16 Baron von Scrufflebutt

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 10:21 AM

It's not bad.
But the fact of the matter is that RoS gave us the Mystic and compared to that system, GW2 fails to measure up. GW2's competition is doing it better.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 10:21 AM

Why do people here want to be charged more than once for the same skin?

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 10:34 AM

View Postgwgchrisatzazzle, on 16 April 2014 - 09:56 AM, said:

A Free to transmute wardrobe would:
*Save bag/bank space
*Adds new player base to the game "more roleplayers and players who want to play dress up" that spend real money.
*convince with no restrictions

View Postgwgchrisatzazzle, on 16 April 2014 - 10:21 AM, said:

Why do people here want to be charged more than once for the same skin?

As to bank/bag space.. whaaaa? I've free'd up a load of slots in my bank from skins I didn't want to use but haven't got rid of.

This topic is so similar to the other one (i.e most people disagreeing with you) that I'll try to make this very very simple.

I am NOT being charged twice for a skin. I bought said skin, and am free to xmute it as many times as I want. This is a VAST improvement on the previous system. I can buy a skin for 500gems and pay 40gems (1 xmute) to get another, rather than another 500.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 11:24 AM

View PostKhalid, on 16 April 2014 - 05:27 AM, said:

In their old system they want you to buy transmutation stone and crystal,  nothing is really different. It's a way for them to make money and to use it a gold sink. If you really need some charges just make an alt  and map complete the Grove. Delete and repeat. I played with a few alts so I accumulated enough.

A free wardrobe might increase the player base but it would also be less profitable for them.
If it's that easy then why charge money for it?

View PostAndemius, on 16 April 2014 - 10:34 AM, said:

As to bank/bag space.. whaaaa? I've free'd up a load of slots in my bank from skins I didn't want to use but haven't got rid of.

This topic is so similar to the other one (i.e most people disagreeing with you) that I'll try to make this very very simple.

I am NOT being charged twice for a skin. I bought said skin, and am free to xmute it as many times as I want. This is a VAST improvement on the previous system. I can buy a skin for 500gems and pay 40gems (1 xmute) to get another, rather than another 500.
But you are being charged twice for the same skin. Just that the second charge is 40 gems instead of 500.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 12:30 PM

View Postgwgchrisatzazzle, on 16 April 2014 - 09:30 AM, said:

The whole point is for the charges to make money for Anet.  But you're saying to everyone just play the game and grind for them.

Why should players waste time grinding for charges, if they don't plan on buying them with real money anyways?  Anet might as well save players the trouble and make all transmutations free.

Or do you think this is some kind of End Game and you need that carrot to chase?

I'm not saying everyone SHOULD grind for them, i'm saying that is another option for those unwilling to use gemstore for it. Just becasue you can get them through ingame means doesn't mean they should be given for free out of cash shop. the cash shop is exactly there for this kind of stuff, quality of life stuff. You can get em in game if you work for it, but for those who don't feel like doing so, you can buy em with gold/real cash. It's not that ahrd a concept to grasp.

People who don't plan on buying them should grind them because they want those charges, there doesn't need to be a bigger meaning behind it. And jsut because some people will farm those chrges doesn't mean everyone will , which makes it still a valuable money source for anet.

Lol, no this isn't some endgame content, where did you get that from. It's the same as anything else you want in a game, you play for it, or you take the easy way out and buy it, either way, you can get charges. I see zero problem with that at all.

View Postraspberry jam, on 16 April 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

But you are being charged twice for the same skin. Just that the second charge is 40 gems instead of 500.

Which is still way better than having to buy the whole skin over and over, isn't it? Is this the BEST system for it? no, but it's a fair compromise between what players want and anets need to make money. It's simple as that. You're gonna ahve to learn to compromise in live, thats jsut how things work.

Edited by dss_live, 16 April 2014 - 12:31 PM.


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Posted 16 April 2014 - 01:03 PM

View Postdss_live, on 16 April 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:

Which is still way better than having to buy the whole skin over and over, isn't it? Is this the BEST system for it? no, but it's a fair compromise between what players want and anets need to make money. It's simple as that. You're gonna ahve to learn to compromise in live, thats jsut how things work.
How is it better than having to buy the skin over and over when this system is about buying the same skin over and over?

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 01:29 PM

View Postraspberry jam, on 16 April 2014 - 01:03 PM, said:

How is it better than having to buy the skin over and over when this system is about buying the same skin over and over?
It is cheaper to acquire be it with in game resources or with real world currency.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 01:32 PM

View PostBurnteye, on 16 April 2014 - 07:45 AM, said:

We've been discussing the wardrobe charges extensively in your other topic already:

http://www.guildwars...ld-only-unlock/
Not to mention that OP has already tried to post this thread here before numerous times.

gwgchrisatzazzle - Keep your discussion limited to the thread you already have. Your repeated attempts to circumvent the rules of this forum will not be tolerated.

You are fooling yourself, user. Nothing here is what it seems. ANet is not the plucky hero, Guru is not an evil empire, and this is not the grand arena.



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