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#1 Saikodan

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 11:33 PM

hi guys, a question
where do u get your exotics to try and gamble on the mystic forge?
what's the easiest way?
i don't get many exotics in the dungeons, and i'm not sure where's the best way of obtaining them.
buying them from a merchant for dungeon token's is a bit expansive.
so it's just buying them from the TP?
thanks

#2 Desild

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 11:49 PM

There's no easy way man. Either you burn gold to buy them, use the few that you get from doing World Bosses and dungeons, or just save the gold and buy the Precussor in one sit and be done with it.

Good luck, you will need it.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 12:14 AM

Anet has promised to make them craftable at some point in the future....  that could be years from now though.

And who knows what the crafting will cost!  :o

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 01:12 AM

save the gold. At least that way you will get it.

Gambling the forge could save some gold, but you have no guarantee.

#5 Saikodan

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 09:31 AM

but, the legend costs almost 1000 gold.
that's A LOT more than the other precursors.
I don't think I can amount to that in a reasonable time...

#6 Andemius

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 11:06 AM

It depends. If you're willing to gamble and potentially spend a lot more or less, then go ahead.

Personally, I saved for the one precursor I bought.

You could save, and as you pick up the right type of weapon which is rare or exo, simply forge those while saving.

#7 typographie

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 12:32 PM

View PostSaikodan, on 29 April 2014 - 09:31 AM, said:

but, the legend costs almost 1000 gold.
that's A LOT more than the other precursors.
I don't think I can amount to that in a reasonable time...

Zap and Dusk are up there, Dusk was actually over 1000g last I checked. I specifically remember seeing Zap hit 1150g at one point some weeks ago (its all I need for Bolt at this point so I'm definitely watching).

There is probably a line somewhere where your luck is more than likely going to result in you spending less in the Mystic Forge than you would by just buying it. But I have no idea where that line is, and of course there's always a possibility that you could never get it at all. Personally, I don't like to gamble, but it comes down to your own comfort level.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 01:08 PM

First of all ; some quick tips for using the mystic toilet.

1. Never - and i mean NEVER - use exotics for getting ur precursor but use rares instead.
The chances are equal so don't bother as it will save u a lot of money.
2. First - make sure for which precursor u are going.
If u want for example Dusk - only use rare greatswords
3. I dont know if this is true, people who have gotten precursors assure me this is true :
always use the same type of rares - so if u have a berserker sword of air - use 4 of these
in the forge, dont use them in conjuctions with other swords (not even with a berserker
sword of earth for example).
They need to be exactly the same.
4. Personal experience
* chances seem to change daily , some days i put like 50 rares in the forge and i get one exotic at most
  Other times ; i put 50 in and i get 5 or 6 exotics (no precursors though)
* the only time i got lucky and i got Kudzu i put 4 random rare weapons in (like a focus, a sword, a warhorn and
  a scepter).
* If an exotic is worth less than 1g i save them up for mystic forge uses - never had any luck with that though
5. Need a lot of rares ?
Doing (most) worldevents (which was way more fun pre-feature patch than now) nets u in between 15-30 rares a day.

Hope this helps U and good luck using the forge.

Edited by swordmagic, 29 April 2014 - 01:09 PM.


#9 Saikodan

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 01:25 PM

you put 4 rares that were not a pistol and still got a pre for Kudzu?

thanks a lot for all the tips.
I'lll remember them.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 06:17 PM

View Postswordmagic, on 29 April 2014 - 01:08 PM, said:

1. Never - and i mean NEVER - use exotics for getting ur precursor but use rares instead.

I think you haven't got that one right.

If you drop 4 exotics you have an small chance for a precursor, I've seen different values ranging from 1 to 0.2% chance.
If you drop 4 rares you have an 80% chance to get a rare that will not be a precursor, if you get on the lucky side and it's an exotic you have a 1-0.2% chance that it is a precursor.
So yeah more precursors drop from exotics than rares.

That said the mystic toilet is a misterious, all I say is based in speculation by people who have experimented extensively with it and what they shared, but I don't know anything.

Edited by Brizna, 29 April 2014 - 06:18 PM.


#11 Saikodan

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 10:20 PM

But you are sure about the rares vs exotics?
Is it better to use exotics?
Because the wiki mentions no difference at all.

Edited by Saikodan, 29 April 2014 - 10:21 PM.


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 12:20 AM

View PostBrizna, on 29 April 2014 - 06:17 PM, said:

If you drop 4 exotics you have an small chance for a precursor, I've seen different values ranging from 1 to 0.2% chance.
If you drop 4 rares you have an 80% chance to get a rare that will not be a precursor, if you get on the lucky side and it's an exotic you have a 1-0.2% chance that it is a precursor.
So yeah more precursors drop from exotics than rares.

I was nearly done typing out a reply before I realized I was saying the same thing as you. :P

Yes, this is how I thought it worked, too. Once you've "won" the roll to get an exotic from your four rares, you then have a separate chance that it will be a precursor. I suspect the game doesn't actually make any real exceptions for precursors; its just that the chance of getting any one particular exotic out of the whole pool of possibilities is rather low anyway.

But yeah, using four exotics means you have a 100% chance to get an exotic back. That alone raises the odds.

View PostSaikodan, on 29 April 2014 - 10:20 PM, said:

Because the wiki mentions no difference at all.

The wiki does mention this, which is slightly indirect but applicable:
http://wiki.guildwar...tem_Combination

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Four pieces of equipment of the same quality can be combined in the forge. The input can be weapons, armor, trinkets, or any combination of thereof. The output will be as specific as the input is. For example, if only weapons are used as the input, the output is guaranteed to be a weapon. Likewise, if only medium helmets are used, the output is guaranteed to be a medium helmet. In addition, the output equipment will be 5-12 levels higher than the average of the levels of the four piece of input equipment. There is also a roughly 20% chance of receiving a higher quality item.

Edited by typographie, 30 April 2014 - 12:25 AM.


#13 Saikodan

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 09:25 AM

http://wiki.guildwar...wiki/The_Legend

what about this?
it talks about rares and exotics the same way..
or did u just talk about from an exotic point of view, because the precursor is also an exotic equipment?

#14 typographie

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 12:24 PM

View PostSaikodan, on 30 April 2014 - 09:25 AM, said:

or did u just talk about from an exotic point of view, because the precursor is also an exotic equipment?

Yes, I just meant the rarity class in general, because in order to get a precursor the game first has to decide you're getting an exotic at all.

#15 Saikodan

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 05:55 PM

and the cheapest way is actually going and BUYING it?
crafting an exotic generic staff isn't cheaper?

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Posted 07 May 2014 - 01:36 AM

View PostSaikodan, on 30 April 2014 - 05:55 PM, said:

and the cheapest way is actually going and BUYING it?
crafting an exotic generic staff isn't cheaper?

depends what you're going for. certainly the lower end I would say buying is best.

Expensive end, (hypothetical numbers) lets say Dusk for 1000g. We assume that exo GS has the cheapest available of roughly 1.5-2g.

You're looking at 125-166 chances at the forge, for the equivalent 1000g.

Player research puts it at 0.79% from a pool of 2901 attempts (not a vast sample I grant you).

So yeah, you may end up getting a precursor for less, but you may also get nothing for a lot more.

Risk vs Reward.




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