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#1 Calypso589

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 05:47 PM

.......making gold?

I've been looking around since I came back for season 2 and a lot of ghe old methods seem out of date or simply less effective so I figured Id inquire as to some of the clever methods folks hsve come up with for this most recent build of the game.
This is EXCLUDING buying and flipping on the TP. Thats an obvious one. :P

This is what I do.

-Black Lion Key Farming.

I know the lottery gimmick behind these chests isnt quite a fan favorite but i feel that you gain the most value for minimum effort. If there's anything that rewards patience with a buttload of gold, it's this.

The idea here is to throw on the radio, grab a snack/drink and knock out five key runs per day. Doesn't take much more than an hour.
What youre looking for ideally is a black lion ticket. Get one and pick up the most popular weapon skin of that update, then sit on it for a couple weeks.
The price of the skin inevitably goes up and you can net yourself an easy 100 gold at least.

If you want larger profit all at once, then youd want to farm five tickets for skins that are currently going for 4 or 5 hundred gold.
Like I said, this method rewards patience and thats really the only barrier. Youre not wasting real money or gold on keys but youre gaining all kinds of useful quality of life items in the process, especially those BL salvage kits for your ectos.

This is where the value comes from.



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Posted 05 August 2014 - 09:10 PM

My main source of gold is TP but...

I used to spend hours glitching through AC p1 in about 9 mins, then selling the end boss. Too many people do it now but you can still sell at certain times. Made about a thousand gold doing that so far.

Sometimes I gamble in the mystic forge. That usually means upgrading T5 mats to T6, then selling them or dumping a bunch of cheap exotics/runes into it in hope for a blue whale.

Sometimes I farm by leaving my Engineer semi-idle in strategic locations.

I farmed the pavilion like a maniac, managed to make a few thousand gold doing that.

Finally WvW. I'm from SFR, we often get matched up against weak servers that make great farming material or overpopulated, zergy ones like Deso. We take a castle right at their doorstep, bunker up and collect bags for about an hour before they wipe us.

Of course I also make gold by doing dungeons, fractals, EOTM and PvP. And...

Pretending I'm a girl.

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 10:03 PM

"He's just a boy.  I'm just a girl.  Can I make it anymore obvious?"

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 01:36 AM

I'd be interested to see a key farm which can hit 5 in an hour. Typically I can manage 2, perhaps 3 in that time. If you find some spare time and want to demonstrate (perhaps I'm missing something) mail me in game - Savage Dwarf.

I farmed AC1 when I knew the spot, unfortunately I don't know the latest one. Same with Arah, although I find myself bored of it recently.

The Karma to Linen video posted here a while ago is reasonable too if you have an excess of karma.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 07:57 AM

View PostAndemius, on 06 August 2014 - 01:36 AM, said:

I'd be interested to see a key farm which can hit 5 in an hour. Typically I can manage 2, perhaps 3 in that time. If you find some spare time and want to demonstrate (perhaps I'm missing something) mail me in game - Savage Dwarf.

I farmed AC1 when I knew the spot, unfortunately I don't know the latest one. Same with Arah, although I find myself bored of it recently.

The Karma to Linen video posted here a while ago is reasonable too if you have an excess of karma.

Well I DID say "not much more than an hour" :P

Edited by Calypso589, 06 August 2014 - 07:58 AM.


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Posted 06 August 2014 - 01:55 PM

View PostCalypso589, on 06 August 2014 - 07:57 AM, said:

Well I DID say "not much more than an hour" :P

even so, id guess 5 keys would take me roughly 1hour 40, maybe a couple mins less.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 02:32 PM

View PostI post stuff, on 05 August 2014 - 09:10 PM, said:

My main source of gold is TP but...

I used to spend hours glitching through AC p1 in about 9 mins, then selling the end boss. Too many people do it now but you can still sell at certain times. Made about a thousand gold doing that so far.

Sometimes I gamble in the mystic forge. That usually means upgrading T5 mats to T6, then selling them or dumping a bunch of cheap exotics/runes into it in hope for a blue whale.

Sometimes I farm by leaving my Engineer semi-idle in strategic locations.

I farmed the pavilion like a maniac, managed to make a few thousand gold doing that.

Finally WvW. I'm from SFR, we often get matched up against weak servers that make great farming material or overpopulated, zergy ones like Deso. We take a castle right at their doorstep, bunker up and collect bags for about an hour before they wipe us.

Of course I also make gold by doing dungeons, fractals, EOTM and PvP. And...

Pretending I'm a girl.

Not that it matters much, but based on your post I'd say you are the kind of player that developers really loathe: i.e. make bank by any way possible.  Perhaps that's what most people do these days with MMO's and such, I don't know.  Maybe it's a generational thing, who knows.  My real question is: don't you have any inclination to play the game the way it was intended?  I mean, is it all just a cash-grab/speed-clear/farm-fest/exploit opportunity?

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 04:17 PM

View PostKonzacelt, on 06 August 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:

Not that it matters much, but based on your post I'd say you are the kind of player that developers really loathe: i.e. make bank by any way possible.  Perhaps that's what most people do these days with MMO's and such, I don't know.  Maybe it's a generational thing, who knows.  My real question is: don't you have any inclination to play the game the way it was intended?  I mean, is it all just a cash-grab/speed-clear/farm-fest/exploit opportunity?

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I R sad you try to turn an info thread into a debate.

Mainly, I just do the boss train(Teq, Crabby, et al), though that could be hit/miss with Teq, if you get on the wrong megaserver.  The EotM train is a nice way to earn rank and get chests/pouches for loot.  Plus, it's a nice way to level if you are as tired of the story line as I am.

Also, just casually harvesting/mining around the map, especially silk and iron, seems to be working out pretty good.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 04:49 PM

View PostHaggus, on 06 August 2014 - 04:17 PM, said:

I R sad you try to turn an info thread into a debate.

Mainly, I just do the boss train(Teq, Crabby, et al), though that could be hit/miss with Teq, if you get on the wrong megaserver.  The EotM train is a nice way to earn rank and get chests/pouches for loot.  Plus, it's a nice way to level if you are as tired of the story line as I am.

Also, just casually harvesting/mining around the map, especially silk and iron, seems to be working out pretty good.

It's a game forum...the whole point is to debate.

I guess to answer the question myself, I just sell any mats when I get a complete stack of 250.  That's pretty much it.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 08:21 PM

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Not that it matters much, but based on your post I'd say you are the kind of player that developers really loathe: i.e. make bank by any way possible.  Perhaps that's what most people do these days with MMO's and such, I don't know.  Maybe it's a generational thing, who knows.  My real question is: don't you have any inclination to play the game the way it was intended?  I mean, is it all just a cash-grab/speed-clear/farm-fest/exploit opportunity?

I R sad.

None of what I do is actually an exploit or cash grab. At the end of the day key farmers are still bowing down to the RNG mechanics that Anet themselves have implemented. Its not an exploit. Its simply players participating in a slice of the game (as it was meant to be played) over and over again.

Now to answer your question, in my case the key farm is a means through to which to enjoy the game as it was meant to be played even MORE.
In other words, i wanty juggernaut now and I want it for the rest of my time with the game.



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Posted 06 August 2014 - 09:28 PM

View PostKonzacelt, on 06 August 2014 - 04:49 PM, said:

It's a game forum...the whole point is to debate.

This sentence is what makes me sad. Debate is just the ugliest part of game forums.

Personally I don't go too far out of my way to farm money. Doing world bosses and selling my drops seems to keep me wealthy enough for everything I actually want/need, though I harvest a LOT of materials. I have a legendary, but I was happy to craft it slowly over the course of the game's lifetime so far. Similar story with my ascended armor and weapons.

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 09:46 PM

My main source of gold is to get rares from boss events salvage for ectos and sell I usually make a fair amount doing that. Also Dungeons:) I just think that this is the easiest most casual friendly way to make good gold without grinding too hard.
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Posted 07 August 2014 - 12:39 AM

View PostRAD, on 06 August 2014 - 09:46 PM, said:

My main source of gold is to get rares from boss events salvage for ectos and sell I usually make a fair amount doing that. Also Dungeons:) I just think that this is the easiest most casual friendly way to make good gold without grinding too hard.

I would do that but I need those damn ectos. lolz

Part of the reason I started farming keys in the first place is because of that temporary inclusion of the perma hair stylist kit in the BL chests.

Literally never having to worry about in-game finances again EVER is a convincing argument when it comes to bucking down and farming five chests a day. hahaha

Still a good method though. Like I said, lots of upsides to it for the patient player. But if I sold my ectos now I'd easily make 100 gold.

It kind of taunts me from my bank. hahaha

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 02:31 AM

Lolz, and just today Anet doubles the rate at which tickets and ticket scraps drop from the chests.

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 04:13 AM

View PostCalypso589, on 07 August 2014 - 02:31 AM, said:

Lolz, and just today Anet doubles the rate at which tickets and ticket scraps drop from the chests.

saw that was yaaay :D

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 09:39 AM

I play pvp, buy a bunch of mats that will go up in price later on during each update, buy rare weapons that go obsolete after each update, I dislike farming so all I do is buy to sell later on.

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 01:45 PM

View Posttypographie, on 06 August 2014 - 09:28 PM, said:

This sentence is what makes me sad. Debate is just the ugliest part of game forums.

I highly disagree on this.  Forum discussions, while they may have the potential to be trolly and ugly, can bring out so many new ideas and points of view that someone would otherwise be unexposed to.  For myself, I wouldn't have learned a quarter of the things I have for this game without reading someone else's take on any given topic.  Whether it's a heated argument or not, there's still so much to learn from it.  You just have to sift through the vitriol sometimes and not take it personally.  :)

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Personally I don't go too far out of my way to farm money. Doing world bosses and selling my drops seems to keep me wealthy enough for everything I actually want/need, though I harvest a LOT of materials. I have a legendary, but I was happy to craft it slowly over the course of the game's lifetime so far. Similar story with my ascended armor and weapons.

I pretty much just salv all blues/greens and rares.  Sell any exotic I get(which is about 1 every 2 weeks).  And sell mats.  I don't do WB's, dungeons, or Fractals.  I spend 90% of my time in WvW, the other 10% in regular PvE.

Doing just those things I never have enough money for much anything I want, I hover around 50g.  Now I could go out and try to farm stuff, but then I wouldn't enjoy the game anymore...farming is insanely boring for me.  I could try dungeon runs, but I don't know the mechanics of any of them and there aren't many peeps around willing to teach the routes these days.  Not to mention they take an hour out of my evening that could be spent doing things I like.  Same with Fractals.

About the only thing I have going for me is the 6 million Karma I have.  But about all that is useful for is Obsidian Shards, the Orrian chests never give me anything worthwhile.  And Karma armor isn't salvageable...so yeah.

I suppose I could speculate on the market, I have a lot of regular mats.  But then, again, I wouldn't enjoy the game anymore..."tradeposting" is also insanely boring.

You just don't make any money if all you do is PvP(non-zerging that is).

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 01:55 PM

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I highly disagree on this.  Forum discussions, while they may have the potential to be trolly and ugly, can bring out so many new ideas and points of view that someone would otherwise be unexposed to.  For myself, I wouldn't have learned a quarter of the things I have for this game without reading someone else's take on any given topic.  Whether it's a heated argument or not, there's still so much to learn from it.  You just have to sift through the vitriol sometimes and not take it personally.  :)



I pretty much just salv all blues/greens and rares.  Sell any exotic I get(which is about 1 every 2 weeks).  And sell mats.  I don't do WB's, dungeons, or Fractals.  I spend 90% of my time in WvW, the other 10% in regular PvE.

Doing just those things I never have enough money for much anything I want, I hover around 50g.  Now I could go out and try to farm stuff, but then I wouldn't enjoy the game anymore...farming is insanely boring for me.  I could try dungeon runs, but I don't know the mechanics of any of them and there aren't many peeps around willing to teach the routes these days.  Not to mention they take an hour out of my evening that could be spent doing things I like.  Same with Fractals.

About the only thing I have going for me is the 6 million Karma I have.  But about all that is useful for is Obsidian Shards, the Orrian chests never give me anything worthwhile.  And Karma armor isn't salvageable...so yeah.

I suppose I could speculate on the market, I have a lot of regular mats.  But then, again, I wouldn't enjoy the game anymore..."tradeposting" is also insanely boring.

You just don't make any money if all you do is PvP(non-zerging that is).

You can actually convert 10k karma to about 1.25 gold. Theres a vid on youtube about it. I cant recall who but if you just search around im sufe youll find it. If you dont need obi shards anymore and you have 6 mill karma then thats near 1000 gold.

Shoot, maybe farming karma is better than the keys hahaha

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 02:12 PM

View PostKonzacelt, on 06 August 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:

Not that it matters much, but based on your post I'd say you are the kind of player that developers really loathe: i.e. make bank by any way possible.  Perhaps that's what most people do these days with MMO's and such, I don't know.  Maybe it's a generational thing, who knows.  My real question is: don't you have any inclination to play the game the way it was intended?  I mean, is it all just a cash-grab/speed-clear/farm-fest/exploit opportunity?

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 03:39 PM

View PostCalypso589, on 07 August 2014 - 01:55 PM, said:

You can actually convert 10k karma to about 1.25 gold. Theres a vid on youtube about it. I cant recall who but if you just search around im sufe youll find it. If you dont need obi shards anymore and you have 6 mill karma then thats near 1000 gold.

Shoot, maybe farming karma is better than the keys hahaha

I'll have to check that out then. :lol:

View PostI post stuff, on 07 August 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

"Play as you want to play as long as it's how I like to play."

We both know that's a colossal oversimplification.

You can't approach MMO's with the same mentality as, say, a single-player RPG.  You don't get to play the way you want to play in MMO's, no one does.  You are in a virtual world with thousands and thousands of other players  There are not only rules everyone has to abide by for fairness, but expectations as well.  I'm not saying you or anyone else here does it, but for every tiny exploitation, no matter how benign, the scales become just a little more imbalanced and others can be at a disadvantage because of it.

I mean, it's a common concept.  Things like the Securities and Exchange Commission work in a similar fashion: to try and keep things fair and just and equitable for all parties involved.  To keep people from doing, you know, whatever the ♥♥♥♥ they want to make bank and inadvertently screwing over someone else in the process.  :unsure:

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 04:53 PM

A lot of players complain that they have to run dungeons all day to make gold. This is true, but running dungeons is not the only way to turn a profit. And making a profit in this game is not about just raw gold but compiling alternate currencies (and knowing how to spend them).

I'm not entirely sure I'd call it unique, but one lesser known yet highly profitable alternate currency is skill points. You can use these skill points in the forge to craft rare weapons (e.g., Foefire's Power) and material promotion, both of which can be absurdly profitable when done at the right time. Profit in this area requires knowledge of markets. It's about knowing when to buy, and knowing when to sell. The effort it takes to make a profit off skill points is about as much effort as it takes to learn how to speed clear dungeons. This is why a lot of people don't bother to do it.

The karma conversion is through forging gloves to salvage linen. You get about 1 gold per 10,000 karma. For those that do Edge of the Mists a lot, or just do FOTM 40 and Tequatl every day, this is a great way to turn a profit in areas that might otherwise seem kind of bland.

Truthfully, this game doesn't offer a lot of options to make raw gold outside of dungeons and the world event train, but once you learn how to make gold off skill points and karma, you will learn to make 10 gold a day doing just about anything.

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 05:10 PM

View PostPhineas Poe, on 07 August 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

A lot of players complain that they have to run dungeons all day to make gold. This is true, but running dungeons is not the only way to turn a profit. And making a profit in this game is not about just raw gold but compiling alternate currencies (and knowing how to spend them).

I'm not entirely sure I'd call it unique, but one lesser known yet highly profitable alternate currency is skill points. You can use these skill points in the forge to craft rare weapons (e.g., Foefire's Power) and material promotion, both of which can be absurdly profitable when done at the right time. Profit in this area requires knowledge of markets. It's about knowing when to buy, and knowing when to sell. The effort it takes to make a profit off skill points is about as much effort as it takes to learn how to speed clear dungeons. This is why a lot of people don't bother to do it.

The karma conversion is through forging gloves to salvage linen. You get about 1 gold per 10,000 karma. For those that do Edge of the Mists a lot, or just do FOTM 40 and Tequatl every day, this is a great way to turn a profit in areas that might otherwise seem kind of bland.

Truthfully, this game doesn't offer a lot of options to make raw gold outside of dungeons and the world event train, but once you learn how to make gold off skill points and karma, you will learn to make 10 gold a day doing just about anything.

Price of admission of a B2P MMO is the difficulty to get funds. :P

Ill prob stick to the keys and karma farming. Ive considered making skill point weapons but there's always that one ingredient in the recipe that sets me back. Like 250 orichalcum ingots or something. Those require farming by themselves.

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 05:36 PM

Didn't people get banned in the past for turning karma into gold by salvaging materials from karma items? From what I understand, you're forging karma gear now in order to make it salvagable. Still seems fairly dangerous.

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 07:32 PM

View PostRifky Rayn, on 07 August 2014 - 05:36 PM, said:

Didn't people get banned in the past for turning karma into gold by salvaging materials from karma items? From what I understand, you're forging karma gear now in order to make it salvagable. Still seems fairly dangerous.

The mass ban you're talking about was back during the early months of the game, when karma gear was still salvageable. One of the vendors had his items listed far cheaper than he was supposed to, and people burned tens of thousands of karma to make a ton of gold.

10,000 karma for 1 gold is hardly game-breaking, and it is not a bannable offense to forge karma items. I've had developers in my guild do it with us.

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 08:05 PM

Thanks for letting me know. I didn't know the vendor in question had karma gear for lower prices than intended - I thought every straightforward "karma to gold" transition was regarded as suspicious.
I'm quite paranoid when it comes to near-ban activities. I remember doing a research on the safety of mass Orrian jewelry boxes acquisition (although this conversion was far worse than 10k --> 1g). Also, most of the stuff you folks mention in this thread, such as BLK farming, sounds a bit hazardous to me.

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 08:17 PM

I've been playing since day one and only have 270 Gold to my name.

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Posted 08 August 2014 - 02:21 AM

Sorry, I lied....

The things I do when a game I wanna play uses dial up speeds

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Posted 08 August 2014 - 05:33 AM

View PostKonzacelt, on 07 August 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

I'll have to check that out then. :lol:

Essentially, buy cloth armor for karma, forge and salvage for linen. There's a salvage level gate in there somewhere, wiki will know.

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Posted 08 August 2014 - 01:52 PM

View PostAndemius, on 08 August 2014 - 05:33 AM, said:

Essentially, buy cloth armor for karma, forge and salvage for linen. There's a salvage level gate in there somewhere, wiki will know.
It's lvl 50, I believe.  You get the gloves from the heart vendor at the crab harvest in Bloodtide.  Combine the gloves in the toilet.  salvage the result.  ATM it's only around 50 silver per 10k karma.

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 01:00 AM

I'm waiting for Karma to Gold ratio to become a little better. Also need to find a nice way to get rid of thousands of skill points I've accumulated over time.

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Spoiler
What I wrote before still stands.

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