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#1 Fantasy Trope

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 03:38 AM

"A character controlled by a hacker who used exploits to dominate online game Guild Wars 2 has been put to death in the virtual world."

http://www.bbc.com/n...nology-32654414

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 05:49 AM

Hacking in WvW is so 2013...

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 06:57 AM

They should bring back the Dhumm ban scythe from GW1. Much classier and more fun to watch live.

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 07:11 AM

Here's the youtube video if anyone's interested. Nearly 600,000 views in under 2 days is...I don't even know. I'm all for a good ban, but it wasn't that scandalous ;)

https://www.youtube....eature=youtu.be

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 09:36 AM

View PostKonzacelt, on 09 May 2015 - 05:49 AM, said:

WvW is so 2013...

Fixed.

View PostNerfHerder, on 09 May 2015 - 06:57 AM, said:

They should bring back the Dhumm ban scythe from GW1. Much classier and more fun to watch live.

Agreed, but they should keep these videos and shitposts for the people on the forums who claim they're innocent.
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Posted 09 May 2015 - 12:40 PM

Indeed. Every once in a while, someone should be tarred and feathered. As a visual cue to others. Yes, Anet enforces its policies. Who says they cant get a good laugh while doing it. Its not like they are law enforcement.

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 04:39 PM

Should have the Phrase " You have been Measured, You have been Weight, You have been left Wanting! May Grenth have Mercy on your Soul" Then Dhumm comes and reaps the Hacker

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 08:25 PM

I've never heard of this player and can't find anything else about them on YouTube.  I don't see what the point is of trying to shame a person who probably doesn't feel any about what they've done, or how this is going to be much of a deterrent/setback to that person since they didn't seem to be too invested into their account anyways.

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 12:35 AM

View PostShayne Hawke, on 09 May 2015 - 08:25 PM, said:

I've never heard of this player and can't find anything else about them on YouTube.  I don't see what the point is of trying to shame a person who probably doesn't feel any about what they've done, or how this is going to be much of a deterrent/setback to that person since they didn't seem to be too invested into their account anyways.

And what makes you think that? For all we know maybe he was a new to GW2 and that's why he had low AP and little gold. Nevertheless, whether he's old or new it doesn't matter, what matters is that ANet cut him short before he could do serious damage. I also think they used him to set an example and dissuade future hackers from trying.

Edited by Datenshi92, 10 May 2015 - 12:37 AM.


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Posted 10 May 2015 - 04:38 AM

In the official forums people complained about this particular hacker for 10 days or so until he finally got banned. He was from some less popular server, I don't remember which one, but this allowed him to reset most of the keeps and towers in his WvW match up when it wasn't prime time.

Personally I don't much value in that youtube video. I'd rather have Anet close the exploits and ban the rest of the hackers as well. There are still plenty of speed hackers roaming free in both pvp and wvw, and the less experienced eye probably can't even tell when a thief or mesmer is actually being aided by a hack. The invulnerability hackers who plagued WvW matches last year, by the way, still aren't banned.

I wouldn't be too suprised if this  "public execution"  was just a cheap way to cover the fact that Anet is unable to patch the vulnerabilities these hackers exploit. The fact that it took 10 days of constant complaining in the forums and apparently hundreds of reports to even catch this particular hacker, is already embarrassing enough. This youtube video is full of hypocrisy considering how Anet has previously given infractions to those reporting hackers in the official forums in addition to deleting their posts.

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 04:57 AM

Here is the topic where the dev posted the video in question. https://forum-en.gui...-part-10/first Would have edited my post but edition of posts seems to be broken at the moment.

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 08:24 AM

Anet is a large company with regulations, guidelines, procedures etc. They probably have to deal with heaps of reports on daily basis, some of which are probably false. This is why it took them 10 days of constant complaining. I don't think they can just go "LOL BANNED" on a whim.

Also, some people absolutely suck at reporting a problem. Make screenshots, take videos, report with a sensible title and not something along the lines of "Seriously Anet???".

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 02:23 PM

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Anet is a large company with regulations, guidelines, procedures etc. They probably have to deal with heaps of reports on daily basis, some of which are probably false. This is why it took them 10 days of constant complaining. I don't think they can just go "LOL BANNED" on a whim.

Which is why they should close the exploits in one way or another. There is currently no anti cheat feature at all.

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 04:59 PM

I'm sure it's impossible to fix all the exploits. It's just the way code is.

Also, anti cheat should never be automated. Because when it misfires the damage can be much greater than a single hacker could ever do.

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 07:30 PM

Wait, was it Arenanet who created this video, before banning the account?

I find it in extremely bad taste to make him commit suicide before banning him. It doesn't matter what he did in the game, but leaping off some edge like that matters to thousands of people whose loved ones have died in the exact way displayed in the video.

Edited by raspberry jam, 10 May 2015 - 07:33 PM.


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Posted 11 May 2015 - 02:36 AM

View Postraspberry jam, on 10 May 2015 - 07:30 PM, said:

I find it in extremely bad taste to make him commit suicide before banning him. It doesn't matter what he did in the game, but leaping off some edge like that matters to thousands of people whose loved ones have died in the exact way displayed in the video.

Good luck living in a world where everything even remotely offensive is censored. You better not look at me funny, reject my god, be of a different culture, insult me, make fun of my appearance or disagree with me because then I'll be very offended... and you know what happens when I get offended...

/sarcasm

Jam, I've read several posts of yours in the past and you strike me as a reasonable person with a fair degree of intelligence. Your heart is in the right place but there's a huge logical gap in that reasoning of yours... I'm sure if you think a little harder you will understand why.

In case you're missing my point - you say this video is an offense to those people who had suffered loss in their lives. This is about suicide but it could extend to many other topics just as sensitive. If you're going to start censoring that which is offensive, you'll end up having a full-time job on your hands and no one will ever be able to say anything without looking over their shoulders. If we want to keep living in a democracy we will have to "man up" and just accept the fact that everyone is different and thinks differently.

Of all the bad things in this world, recording a fictional character committing suicide is the least of our worries. Poor taste perhaps, but not the end of the world. People aren't as a frail as you think and here's an example - I've seen my share of homosexual-related debates that included gay jokes and other questionable, sometimes offensive things and, surprisingly enough, the gay people were more tolerant about it than their straight counterparts. Its like some people (who oftentimes don't even have personal experience in the topic) get so engrossed in all this "political correctness" that they forget they don't -need- to treat others like helpless babies.

Edited by Datenshi92, 12 May 2015 - 02:39 AM.


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Posted 11 May 2015 - 07:20 AM

View PostDatenshi92, on 11 May 2015 - 02:36 AM, said:

Good luck living in a world where everything even remotely offensive is censored. You better not look at me funny, reject my god, be of a different culture, insult me, make fun of my appearance or disagree with me because then I'll be very offended... and you know what happens when I get offended...

/sarcasm

Just wanted to say I loved that.

View PostI post stuff, on 10 May 2015 - 04:59 PM, said:

Also, anti cheat should never be automated. Because when it misfires the damage can be much greater than a single hacker could ever do.

To further add to your point, Arenanet did have automated banning set-up at the launch of Nightfall.  Do I really need to show you guys the backlash again, when so many innocent accounts were banned they had to do their rare re-roll?

EDIT:  Quotes slashed themselves out.  #IPBboardproblems

Edited by davadude, 11 May 2015 - 07:20 AM.

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 08:03 PM

View PostDatenshi92, on 11 May 2015 - 02:36 AM, said:

Good luck living in a world where everything even remotely offensive is censored. You better not look at me funny, reject my god, be of a different culture, insult me, make fun of my appearance or disagree with me because then I'll be very offended... and you know what happens when I get offended...

/sarcasm

Jam, I've read several posts of yours in the past and you strike me as a reasonable person with a fair degree of intelligence. Your heart is in the right place but there's a huge logical gap in that reasoning of yours... I'm sure if you think a little harder you will understand why.

In case you're missing my point - you say this video is an offense to those people who had suffered loss in their lives. This is about suicide but it could extend to many other topics just as sensitive. If you're going to start censoring that which is offensive, you'll end up having a full-time job on your hands and no one will ever be able to say anything without looking over their shoulders. If we want to keep living in a democracy we will have to "man up" and just accept the fact that everyone is different and thinks differently.

Of all the bad things in this world, recording a fictional character committing suicide is the least of our worries. Poor taste perhaps, but not the end of the world. People aren't as a frail as you think and here's an example - I've seen my share of homosexual-related debates that included gay jokes and other questionable, sometimes offensive things and, surprisingly enough, the gay people were more tolerant about it than their straight counterparts. Its like some people (who oftentimes don't even have personal experience in the topic) get so engrossed in all this "politically correctness" that they forget they don't -need- to treat others like helpless babies.
We're talking about a company that banned people for saying "♥♥♥♥♥♥" in chat. A word that, while frowned upon, is vigorously and frequenly used by those that it addresses. And then they not only jump a player character off a ledge, they also put it online. And then you say that I have the logical gap?

lol

EDIT: slang word for black people

Edited by raspberry jam, 11 May 2015 - 08:03 PM.


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Posted 11 May 2015 - 11:47 PM

Next time I see someone jump off a cliff for lulz, I'll make sure to report them. It's offensive to players who killed themselves.

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Posted 12 May 2015 - 06:05 PM

View PostI post stuff, on 11 May 2015 - 11:47 PM, said:

Next time I see someone jump off a cliff for lulz, I'll make sure to report them. It's offensive to players who killed themselves.
Not really. But in this case, it was clearly intended to actually resemble a real death, one which you don't respawn from.

Have you guys ever seen someone die?

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Posted 12 May 2015 - 10:57 PM

It was intended to be disrespect.

Because ♥♥♥♥ hackers.

You are reading too much into this.

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Posted Yesterday, 05:07 PM

Some of the developers should perform an in-game seppukku to atone for past sins and "encourager les autres." They can use the new katana skin to make it authentic.




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