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[Alot]

While there have been/are multiple threads about GW2 versus (WoW/Rift/SW:TOR/TERA), this humble Alot hasn't seen a single thread about the four P2P MMORPGS against each other. Why, this humble Alot wonders? After all, GW2 is B2P, which means that many people will play a combination of GW2 and a P2P MMORPG. And although I am opposed against the entire P2P MMORPG concept, I wonder which one the people at GW2Guru favor.

[Naut]

Well, I've been looking into the newer 3. Mostly TERA and SW:ToR.

SW:ToR however seems to be to much of a Sci-fi WoW version... and it's putting me off a bit, but I suppose i'll still try it out.

TERA also looks original, I rather like the art style and the whole "aim" thing to it :P. Looking forward to it.

And Rift, well I managed to snag myself a beta key the other day so I'll try it out next weekend and we'll see.

:D

[Passive Aggressive]

Rift will be a non factor.  They  couldn't even make teaser trailers that make sense.  The Tera combat system is going to be a turn off for the majority of players and that Asian influenced art direction while cool to some is a turn off for others.

TOR is the only thing that has the potential of putting a dent in the WoW player base but only if they don't screw up launch and everything runs smoothly and is at least as enjoyable as WoW if not more so.

[Wolfwithin]

I think Rift looks good but so many subclasses is kind of a difficult thing for me because I already have problems with making new characters as it is and I like to have one of everything. Also most of them just don't seem all that different. Plus I have never been a big fan of picking a profession then branching down different paths because I get confused normally when I switch from my rogue A to my rogue B who look the same but have different skills so they play slightly different.

Tera looks good but I will need to see more on it. I am not a fan of being stuck with the same weapon all the time. I do like the Mystic from them though as it gets a pet of some kind and can heal so I like that. Not sure though about their combat system. Looks like a great one player game really to me not so much an mmo.

SW:TOR I thought I wanted to play but I played galaxies when it was actually good and then they just destroyed it. So I am a little skeptic about it. I have friends I know that want to play it so I will see if they like it first.

WoW I use to play and may go back because I like trolls and the druid class which I can now have so that is good. Not sure though that I want to go back though to a system I wasn't a huge fan of to begin with though.

I think each will do ok and WoW will continue to do ok for now. I am bringing my girlfriend with me to GW2 and maybe one other MMO so it isn't as easy as just picking one that I like the look of but ones that will be fun for her as well. She was excited about GW2 but it is hard to keep her excited about it right now so I am looking at the others just so she can learn how to play an MMo since it will be her first. Right now though none really grab me as a have to play right now thing.

[Amannelle]

SW:TOR and WoW interest me most of those 4 (mainly since I haven't looked into Rift yet, and looking at Tera gameplay makes me feel dirty Lol)

[Alot]

Amannelle said:

SW:TOR and WoW interest me most of those 4 (mainly since I haven't looked into Rift yet, and looking at Tera gameplay makes me feel dirty Lol)

Because you are dirty boy!

Nearly on-topic:

I will ignore TERA, I might actually try SW:ToR (BUT I WILL NEVER PAY A MONTHLY FEE FOR A GAME!) and Rift... Rift... Rift... I don't like the graphics, because it's cartoonyness is too cartoony and I don't care for the Rifts, because we've got a similar concept in Oblivion and GW2, and it was executed better.

Edited by Alot, 27 November 2010 - 07:51 PM.
Moderators are dirty boys, especially Inde. (This jokes)

[Wothan]

WoW Will not rule forever
SW:TOR is not looking like a great thing, it has many pros and good looking things, yeah, but also have many things that just look wrong, so I would say a stable pop of 1-2 mill players that like bioware and star wars

Tera will end as a niche game, like vindictus

And Rift is unpredictable

[Sarge]

I think ToR will do the best against WoW, but it wouldn't do anything catastrophic. I think it will coexist with WoW.

The others.... I don't see them lasting too long. They will have a good couple of years max in running, that's all.

[Ritter]

TERA,the other three games are pretty much the same as each other.

And I agree with Wothan,TERA will most likely end up as a niche game.

[Dark Saviour]

TERA is the only one I've any interest in of those. While I like the combat and the overall style of the game, I'm not too fond of some of the ideas I've seen the community tossing around with regard to certain mechanics. So it coud still go either way and really depends on how En Masse opts to handle the specifics.

Really though, for me it'll end up being a 3-way race between GW2, Blade and Soul, and TERA. I fully expect that none of them will be particularly close to what I want, but they're currently amongst the only MMOs that even have any real potential of being decent to me.

Of course PSO2 has the potential to kick all of their asses. If Sega can actually capture what made the original PSO so great and not go the route of BB or PSU, then it will absolutely outclass everything else for me... Problem is that little has been revealed about it thusfar and at this point I have almost no faith in SEGA/Sonic Team. :-(

[Corsair]

Rifts is about the only one I have any interest in. The class system and the inherit flexibility therein. But I imagine the balance will be terrible, I mean, look what happened with GW and a dual class system. Triple is a hell of a lot more to balance and deal with, especially since they have even more classes than GW did. Their dungeon system is also interesting, different levels and difficulties that you can do in them. I have yet to see any gameplay that interests me though, it puts me to sleep just a bit.

[Darcy]

I'll be trying out Rift with the beta key, but I don't expect a lot from it.  It seems to be too concerned with fulfilling everybody's wish list except for smooth gameplay.

[Threat Level 0]

I was excited for SW:ToR but the more I've heard and seen of it the less interested I have become.   It's like SW:ToR took everything I couldn't care less for in an MMO and expanded upon it, while GW2 did the exact opposite.  I tried watching one gameplay video on youtube that started with them at a quest-giver so I skipped 4-5 minutes further and they were still in a dialog with him.

[Wolfwithin]

Game play videos in Beta are normally horrible and things get changed so ToR is actually looking better to me after I spent a good time today really looking through things. Likely is a way to speed through quest dialogs, also GW2 is have a quest giving talk close to that from what they have shown. I like the space combat it looks pretty good but would have to really play it myself to see since on Galaxies the space combat was very twitchy and not fun at all. I also like the professions that I have seen but I really wish they would show the advancements of the Soldier/Bounty Hunter and Consular/Inquisitor.

The thing that I am really liking though about ToR is the companion system where I can do all the crafting, gathering, and things while I am actually doing fun things that I like better. Plus sending them on boring missions is great since I still get items and things for them.

The only thing that still has me not ready to really jump on board with it is the lack of information on the races that we can pick from if any for character creation. I also am curious if everyone is getting the exact same companions and how that works when in a group. Also so far the Sith Warriors all seem like the Hulk in body shape and I don't like that so I am hoping it isn't that way for all of them. Otherwise I liked KoToR so I should like ToR pretty well.

[Geikamir]

I have tried WoW before, played it for a few months, and grew completely tired of it.

SW:TOR had amazing trailers and less-than-stellar game play video's, but I still might try it out. Has potential to be fun.

Tera looks like it could be decent enough to occupy me for a month or so, still on the fence on if it's worth spending any money for.

Rift I am almost positive I would never spend money for, I am however looking forward to beta. It will be a good time killer while it lasts.

[Miteshu]

I love all of their teaser videos, but I don't like any of their gameplay from what I've seen.

SWTOR is too sticky.

WoW is filled with crappy quest.

TERA is only hack and slash, nothing different from Vindictus.

Rift is probably the one I least hate. It shares dynamic events with Guild Wars 2, which I truly want all MMO's to have. Even if they are labeled, "Guild Wars 2 Ripoff!!!!111!!!"

My only complaint with Rift is that they stuck with the traditional MMO's and have no originality.

[Shroomzmaster666]

Personally, I like SW:TOR the best. Mostly because it reminds me of knights of the old republic, which was awesome. I'm not really interested in any of them that much though. I already played WoW. Iit was fun for a while but I got bored of it before I even max level'd.

Tera looks kinda cool. I love the combat but I'm not so sure about the rest of the game. From what I've seen of rift it just looks like a WoW clone to me. The graphics are just as bad as wow 5 years ago, the combat doesnt fit together and is very slow and killing animals in the forest seems to make up most of the game. Also, are the rifts actually dynamic? or are they just random events with no influence on anything else in the world?

[Corsair]

Shroomzmaster666 said:

Personally, I like SW:TOR the best. Mostly because it reminds me of knights of the old republic, which was awesome. I'm not really interested in any of them that much though. I already played WoW. Iit was fun for a while but I got bored of it before I even max level'd.

Tera looks kinda cool. I love the combat but I'm not so sure about the rest of the game. From what I've seen of rift it just looks like a WoW clone to me. The graphics are just as bad as wow 5 years ago, the combat doesnt fit together and is very slow and killing animals in the forest seems to make up most of the game. Also, are the rifts actually dynamic? or are they just random events with no influence on anything else in the world?

From what I understand, if you don't close the rifts, they will become beachheads for the invading creatures. They will apparently move out and start attacking other established rifts from different planes and NPCs from the area.

[DuskWolf]

The combat of TERA puts it leagues above the quoted competition in my opinion, it's not going to be for me though due to the more sexist vibes they have going on, there. The animations of women in that game are ridiculous, to say the least.

I have less than no interest in the others. Most MMORPGs tend to be a bit too grindy, low brow, populist, and mindless for me.

[Threat Level 0]

DuskWolf said:

The combat of TERA puts it leagues above the quoted competition in my opinion, it's not going to be for me though due to the more sexist vibes they have going on, there. The animations of women in that game are ridiculous, to say the least.

I especially loved the Lancer's combat gameplay;  

Poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke.  Wait....charge up, poke.

[Bogus Dude]

None of the above. Seen lots of trailers and stuff of the above and other upcoming games and there are much better looking games than all of the ones you mention. That said i'm no power gamer. I have rl friends who play LotR, i'm not that bothered about the game tbh but as its gone ftp i'll casually popin to see my friends and have a blast with them. Only game i'm looking to purchase other than GW2 atm is Battlestar Galatica, because its also ftp with a similar pricing format as GW and i'm hoping for some nostalgia around an old game i used to play called Freelancer, hopefully that will be released in time for xmas

[ampd]

I think Guild Wars 2, Tera, and Blade and Soul will all be games to look out for. I have mostly been following GW2, but the other two look very good as well.

I hope they don't end up being the traditional MMO, where you quest quest quest, hit max level, and then run dungeons until a new expansion comes out. I want something different from a change. Different combat, things to do on the side. I am playing WoW currently and it is finally almost unplayable how repetitive it is getting.


For Rift Online, I played the Beta and it is just like WoW or Aion. Nothing much different except the story and classes. Still has the boring quests and the dynamic events are terrible and I wouldn't even call them dynamic. They are just Rifts and they don't scale up like the GW2 are going to, unless they changed them since I played. We had 20 people fighting in one and I couldn't land a hit before something died.

Atleast the others have a lot of changes:

Guild Wars 2
- no quests, all dynamic events that look like a lot of fun
- personal character story
- high character customization
- combat looks very good
- great graphics
- mini games
- no monthly fee

Rift
- has the rift system
- good graphics

Cons: too much like other games out, doesn't offer a lot of change

Tera
- hack and slash, could be good or bad, but something new
- graphics are very good
- combat looks good

Blade and Soul
- graphics are good
- combat looks good
- hack and slash

Honestly, I can't say much about Tera and Blade and Soul because I haven't seen that much about them, but they look almost like the same game, but Blade and Soul looks a little better. I will have to wait and see and actually try it out.

As of now I am waiting to play GW2 and it looks amazing. I will most likely try Tera and Blade and Soul and play one of them if they end up being good because GW2 will be free to play monthly. I just hope GW2 ends up being what I think it is going to be.

I don't want another "WoW". I want a game like Oblivion but as an MMO. There was so much to do in that game. You had the main story, side quests, dungeons, Arena, you could own a house, and a bunch more. I also liked the combat a lot too. A FPRPG as a MMO would be pretty cool and having an alternative Third-person view would be nice as well. I heard they are developing an Elder Scrolls MMO, which I hope they really are because I will definitely buy it. Also I heard they maybe making a PSO2, which also would be great. People should be copying PSO and Oblivion instead of WoW, DAOC, WAR, etc.

Edited by ampd, 05 January 2011 - 08:14 AM.

[Timewarp]

Passive Aggressive said:

Rift will be a non factor.  They  couldn't even make teaser trailers that make sense.

Speaking of which: http://www.facebook....236602

Every WoW fanboy/girl in unison now: Oh no they di'int.

[Threat Level 0]

ampd said:

Also I heard they maybe making a PSO2, which also would be great. People should be copying PSO and Oblivion instead of WoW, DAOC, WAR, etc.

And Tribes Universe Online.

[Haishao]

and Guild Wars

[Fozzik]

Rift - Don't waste your money
Rifts/invasions/footholds are in no way dynamic events at all. If you haven't played the game yet, you'll see once you've been in game for a while.

Rifts spawn at fixed locations...all a Rift consists of is a fancy graphical circle with some mobs standing in it. After a while, an "invasion" will spawn, which consists of one boss-type mob (easily killed by a solo player) and a few support mobs (3-4). This "invasion" heads down the road (fixed path) to one of the fixed foothold points. If nobody kills the invasion, they take over the fixed foothold point and then stand there until someone kills them.

Rifts themselves consist of the following... stage 1: kill some trash mobs. Stage 2: kill some more trash mobs. Stage 3: single soloable boss (timed stage). Stage 4: kill more trash mobs (timed stage). Stage 5: elite boss that's usually not soloable. 99% of the Rifts you encounter are exactly that. No difference except graphics.

That's it. That's the whole system. Dynamic? I think not. And of course the loot generally sucks from Rifts/invasions, so people just end up running around them to move to the next solo task grind hub.

The rest of the game is just a very shallow and cut-down version of WoW with a very small game world (smaller than one continent in vanilla WoW) and nothing to do except task grind / faction grind / instance grind.

The much-bragged about polish that Rift has is due completely to the tiny size and scope of the game. It's difficult to even call it an MMORPG when you compare it to the depth and complexity of games that came before. People are going to play Rift for the free month, and then wonder why in the world they would pay a subscription fee to keep playing when they've already seen the whole game world and all that's left is grinding the same instances over again.

The real excitement with the title will be in watching their subscription numbers drop and seeing how long they keep the lights on. They spent a massive amount of money on Rift (where did it all go?), and they are also trying to develop two other games. It will be interesting to see what happens to the company.

SW:TOR - Possibly a contender. I know a lot less about this game, but the Star Wars and BioWare names put them in a position where they could do well if the game is reasonably good. If they launch well and have a decent amount of depth and content, I think this will be in third place behind WoW and GW2.

WoW - although their subscription base is bound to shrink, I think this is the game where most MMORPG players who are willing to pay a subscription fee will continue to reside. I honestly don't like the game all that much...but I keep ending up back there because every other game that's getting developed just seems to be a bad copy of WoW, and right now there's nothing else to play.

Tera - non-factor... might do ok as a niche game, but at least in the US it's not going to make a dent.

Edited by Fozzik, 05 January 2011 - 12:08 PM.

[Dirame]

Corsair said:

Rifts is about the only one I have any interest in. The class system and the inherit flexibility therein. But I imagine the balance will be terrible, I mean, look what happened with GW and a dual class system. Triple is a hell of a lot more to balance and deal with, especially since they have even more classes than GW did. Their dungeon system is also interesting, different levels and difficulties that you can do in them. I have yet to see any gameplay that interests me though, it puts me to sleep just a bit.

I believe the Soul system is quite balanced, it doesn't allow you to take souls that are not in your archetype. For instance if you pick a warrior line; you will get to pick only warrior related souls like Riftblade, Paragon, Warlord and so on but you won't be able to pick from a Ranger's list of souls or a Mages list of souls.

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The combat of TERA puts it leagues above the quoted competition in my opinion, it's not going to be for me though due to the more sexist vibes they have going on, there. The animations of women in that game are ridiculous, to say the least.

I have less than no interest in the others. Most MMORPGs tend to be a bit too grindy, low brow, populist, and mindless for me.

Thank God I'm not the only one who is irritated by the female animations! Jeez! Those female casters make me want to cringe worse than when I have lemon and lime in my mouth.

Edited by Dirame, 05 January 2011 - 03:42 PM.

[Alot]

Dirame said:

I believe the Soul system is quite balanced, it doesn't allow you to take souls that are not in your archetype. For instance if you pick a warrior line; you will get to pick only warrior related souls like Riftblade, Paragon, Warlord and so on but you won't be able to pick from a Ranger's list of souls or a Mages list of souls.


Thank God I'm not the only one who is irritated by the female animations! Jeez! Those female casters make me want to cringe worse than when I have lemon and lime in my mouth.

Have you been in the Rift beta? The soul system is balanced because souls are very alike each other. I picked Mage > Necromancer > Warlock, Necromancer and Warlock both had a bolt spell, same mana cost/same damage/same cast time. The only two differences were that the Necromancer's bolt gave 1 stack of ineffective uhm, "effects", and that the Warlock bolt could get a lower cast time by investing points in a talent.

[Naoroji]

Timewarp said:

Speaking of which: http://www.facebook....236602

Every WoW fanboy/girl in unison now: Oh no they di'int.

LOL, is that trailer for real? Now I'm kinda hoping Azeroth is a registered trademark or something.

[Dirame]

Alot said:

Have you been in the Rift beta? The soul system is balanced because souls are very alike each other. I picked Mage > Necromancer > Warlock, Necromancer and Warlock both had a bolt spell, same mana cost/same damage/same cast time. The only two differences were that the Necromancer's bolt gave 1 stack of ineffective uhm, "effects", and that the Warlock bolt could get a lower cast time by investing points in a talent.

I know I know! But I humor them by imagining the classes are different. From the get-go I wondered why they'd make an elementalist class and then make a Pyromancer class..... that just didn't make any sense. When I first heard of the Pyro, I was like "Oh, they might make a Sub-zero (water/ice class) class or a Seizmancer class (Earth class)" but then they unvealed the elementalist and I was like.... "Yea... these guys are full of ****".