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#2109842 GW2 vs other MMOs

Posted MazingerZ on 06 December 2012 - 08:41 PM

View PostGremlin, on 06 December 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

You wouldn't comepare a £10 watch against a £100 watch would you.

Sure, you would.  If you were justifying why the cost of a 100 dollar watch vs 10 dollar watch.

You're trying to make a decision, price factors into the decision.

I pay more for a particular piece of hardware because I want it to work, I want it to be reliable and I have faith in the people providing the product.

If I didn't give two craps beyond an immediate need, I would probably buy the crappier, cheaper product.

#2109705 GW2 vs other MMOs

Posted I'm Squirrel on 06 December 2012 - 06:36 PM

inb4 thread locked

if you want my opinion, GW2 has a LONG WAY to go to even step up near WoW's level. It's PvE fails, it's WvWvW was done half-assed, levelling and skill system is extremely stale. There's too many things "wrong" with the game.

#2106775 Seems like we'll get a big content patch on January/February

Posted Jason Seven on 04 December 2012 - 10:03 AM

Let me guess. It's going to be two(!) new level 80 maps void of any meaningful content and filled to the brim with the most obnoxious enemies to date. Along with another snoozefest, bug oozing one time event and some more useless items added to this Black Lions Chest.

#2107217 Where has everyone gone?

Posted Zero_Soulreaver on 04 December 2012 - 06:36 PM

View PostMazingerZ, on 04 December 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

The sinister part is the 10 bucks for an digestion-soothing medication that they're also offering.  It won't necessarily cure the problem, but it'll ameliorate it.

Anet in a nutshell:  Posted Image

I wish more people saw this side of them beforehand.

The bad part is so many people are disappointed by Anet that it doesn't even matter what they do at this point.

#2107126 Where has everyone gone?

Posted Zero_Soulreaver on 04 December 2012 - 05:10 PM

View PostMouse1981, on 04 December 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:


Shallow. Just shallow. Why do I have to compare it to any other game in order to conclude and state that the game has no depth or any interesting mechanics? It's not a contest. But fine: shallow compared to PS2 (PS2 has way more room for tactical play and character customization, has interesting mechanics, and it's a FPS for the love of God), shallow compared to Far Cry 3, shallow compared to WoW (although, once again, I stress that WoW is a real let down ever since WotLK), shallow compared to many other games too probably, GW2 really doesn't have much to offer.

I am saying GW2 isn't a quality game, yes. It's also regarding quality of customization and depth, it's very connected. If GW2 was to be redesigned in such a way that it allows much more customization, more skills, more in depth interesting mechanics - it would THEN be a quality game. Aren't those the important ingredients?

GW2 is a complete failure by my standards. After all, we can all judge only from our personal point of view. It might be awesome for you, I'm not arguing that.

The comparison of times between WoW and GW2 aren't tied to their existence. It's tied to the time they were able to hold my attention. WoW managed to do that from it's very release date to 2010. while GW2 lost me after 2 weeks. And GW2 was in advantage here, being that it's a much newer game and had all the time in this world to learn from other games, even from WoW. GW2 has INCOMPETENCE written all over it.
This post is one of the best I have read lately.  Finally an opinion I agree with that isn't just some basic brick wall answer of "I like it(or hate it) cuz I like(or hate) it, problem?" b/s which promotes nothing but rage since it says nothing.

GW2 really brought me back into MMOs, but in a bad way for the game itself.  It just made me crave other MMOs I have already played from the past like WoW.  It didn't make me stick with GW2 and want to stay with the game at all.  The game feels one and done style, meaning you play it til you "finish" a goal which just isn't the way to do an MMO.  Other MMOs you play and never "finish" because their is way too much to do.

I hate how so many people since release make comments like "it's free so don't complain" or "it has more content than any game at release". Comments like those really make me annoyed as a gamer as it just sounds like fishing for reasons.  Clearly these things do not mark a great game and it takes a lot more than just that.  It also says nothing about the game itself in any way.  I just feel like their is a huge disconnect with these people who think this way about a game.

So just because it's free and has more content you take it and that makes things all good?  Not how the real world or gaming works.  If people are giving away free cookies do you take them just b/c they are free? Even if they look or smell disgusting and will make you sick if you eat it?

#2106337 Vote Guild Wars 2 !

Posted Shayne Hawke on 03 December 2012 - 10:46 PM

View PostRickter, on 03 December 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

looks like GW2 is losing to. . . Dishonored. . . really?!

Dishonored doesn't have Ascended armor.  I'd vote for it.

#2103347 the mistakes Anet admitted

Posted discipleofpain on 01 December 2012 - 09:00 AM

i think a lot of you guys are missing the point still. gw2 does not need any type of stat progression. the very fact that it's currently in the game, is upsetting a large portion of the population. guild wars 1 never had stat progression, in fact, it's really not needed in any mmo to be honest -- it's a waste of time and resources. it's better to add more enjoyable content and cosmetic items, this is not world of pandashit... population of gw2 will continue to drop if they increase stats because wow does it wayyyyy better.im sure there is a lot of people that would of never played this game if they would've known what anet planned to do in future updates.

#2100989 Moving Goalposts: Levels

Posted Baron von Scrufflebutt on 29 November 2012 - 12:24 PM

View PostRickter, on 29 November 2012 - 12:14 PM, said:

well you are fortunate i suppose.  but think about it for a sec, you are part of a small percentage.  GW1 players were a small niche crowd.

And GW2 players still are a niche crowd. The only difference was that GW1 catered to this niche crowd by offering it something that couldn't be found anywhere else on the market, while GW2 caters to its niche crowd by offering it things that can easily be found in other games out there. Not only that, other games actually do this better.

Or do we really think that a game, where designers spent years to bring it in line with the idea of horizontal progression will do vertical progression better than a game that is designed for it?

#2101555 After playing GW2, I decided I'd prefer a sub fee over any cash shop

Posted DuskWolf on 29 November 2012 - 08:06 PM

I don't think this proves what you think it proves at all, OP.

What this proves is that predatorial, exploitative, insidious business models can exist in both pay-to-own and subscription models. What we have to watch out for in the future isn't the financial model, but whether any of the people involved have acted like sharks. I know I won't trust an NCsoft product ever again. Blade & Soul, WildStar, and any future titles are all off my list solely because they're NCsoft. With NCsoft being obviously owned by Nexon at this point, it's clear that future games will only be more predatory, not less.

And I'm not the kind of sheep who'll roll over and take bad punishment up the butt. I actually respect myself enough to not stand for that. So NCsoft isn't getting any more of my money. So long, ArenaNet. It was nice knowing you when you were you. Back when you were the ArenaNet that put together the likes of Prophecies, when you actually believed in your passions, rather than the shameless construct of exploitation you've become today.

#2099362 the mistakes Anet admitted

Posted Jason Seven on 28 November 2012 - 05:56 AM

View PostKhlaw, on 27 November 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

Yet once the mistakes have been made, what do you want them to do, beyond admitting the mistakes, promising to make adjustments where possible, and committing to do better in the future?
Not make them in the first place. A company with 7+ years experience in this field should know a lot better. Especially their president who is one of its founders. Yet he goes around on reddit and spits in their entire GW1 playerbase faces by saying that it was boring and stagnant due to the lack of vertical progression. Shown in replies from the AMA they themselves thought that the introduction of Ascended gear was rushed and poorly designed yet they went with it. They themselves fully expected this kind of backlash and negative reaction from their playerbase yet they still implemented it. If you're a game developer and already know what havoc your latest content will cause but you introduce it despite all odds then I honestly question your capabilities and whether you even want to produce good content for your playerbase or just throw them a bone to play with for a while. Considering all of this makes any kind of apology completely meaningless. Only actions are what counts right now and knowing ArenaNet there won't be any before next year regarding this.

#2099032 Where has everyone gone?

Posted Daesu on 27 November 2012 - 11:48 PM

View PostShatteredz, on 27 November 2012 - 11:44 PM, said:

Do you even mean what the vocal minority is? The vocal minority is the small amount of players(from gw2 in this example) that want to express their opinions about the game on the forums. Often those are also the most critical users(whats the point of being critical without some1 to tell it). Point is, not everybody is going to like every update. If a WvW update comes out, PvE players are going to complain. If a pve update comes out, WvW'ers will start to complain. If a class gets toned down, people of that class will complain.

All the people that do that, are the vocal minority. That means you, me, and every1 else that is posting on this forum. And the difference between the vocal community and the actual community is huge. The normal GW2 player just wants to play the game. A new tier? Great, another feature. WvW update? cool lets do that again. They are not going to leave a game cus "QQ Anet broke their promise QQ", they will leave if they find the game getting boring or find something else to do. Just because the vocal community says something, doesnt mean its the general opinion(especially not on a fansite with a huge % of the communty comming from gw1)

TLDR: The vocal community is always going to complain about every update. Some more then others. Move on.

Just because we are vocal doesn't necessarily imply that all our views are only in the minority.  As far as this ascended issue is concerned, I tend to think that most players in the game would agree with us and that we are a part of the vocal majority as far as this issue is concerned.

Again, instead of twisting words, if you don't believe our poll to be indicative, then feel free to supply your own evidence to support your view that most players in the game support ArenaNet's stance with the vertical progression and ascended gear grind.  I am still waiting for that, from you.

#2094904 Where has everyone gone?

Posted Bloodtau on 24 November 2012 - 11:27 PM

The game has died. They broke their manifesto, broke the "when it's ready" mantra and delivered a sub-par product. The only people that are left are playing because it has no sub. If it had one the game would be closing servers in a few months...

#2094545 Where has everyone gone?

Posted Nox_Aeterna on 24 November 2012 - 04:47 PM

View PostSilvercat18, on 24 November 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

The people who are sticking with guildwars are those who knew what they wanted when they came.

I am a fan of WvW and i still have much fun when i do it.

....though i wish arenanet paid more attention to that fact and gave us proper rewards....

Nop they are not.

I came to a game that promised me no gear grind for TOP stats armor , just for looks...

Wait , what do i see now? Gear grind at its best. WoW style.

So nop , people that came hoping Anet would keep their promises like me are also on the quitting stage now.

#2094713 Where has everyone gone?

Posted KodakMoment on 24 November 2012 - 07:29 PM

I stopped playing because anet is starting to deviate from their original idea ascended gear is just the start

#2094641 Where has everyone gone?

Posted Plasticblanket on 24 November 2012 - 06:14 PM

I left because of the ascended items and am not returning.