MCBiohazard, on 18 September 2014 - 05:57 PM, said:
Actually Feathermoore, I think you responded to the wrong poster, Doc Overlord was actually in agreement with you. Butcher was the one that called you out. Avatar icons look similar though, maybe that was the confusion.
That's what I get for responding to avatars.
Edit: Fixed my failure at life in my previous post.
Doctor Overlord, on 18 September 2014 - 06:13 AM, said:
Our concerns only reflect a part of the playerbase.
Edit: Apologies Overlord. Apparently I fail at forums myself sometimes. -Edited out silly comment after being confused by your post thinking you were Butcher-
Butcher, on 18 September 2014 - 12:13 AM, said:
Forumites not being representative of a game's population is a factual statement backed by game developer team after game developer team stating that. Seeing as they actually have the data from their game (the only representative sample possible), they are qualified to say this. Forums are self selecting, just like using data from a specific social program.
As someone involved in community interactions and someone who has talked to community managers from multiple games after attending multiple panels on the subject, I actually know that there are other representations of a game population that are better than forums that you can see. Twitter, Facebook, and Youtube have a more diverse selection of players than forums and are looked at as a better source of the pulse of the community by those in the industry. According to those same community managers, most people actually don't use forums as their source of knowledge about a game.
On top of that, forum activity doesn't follow game population. EVE's official forum activity has dropped consistently over time even though the population in game has been rising since release. The big PvP forum for EVE actually imploded and doesn't exist. The forum that replaced it has way less activity even though nulsec PvP has been rising in scale over time. EVE forums are known for "bittervets" who stick around in the community on the forums but are not actually subbed anymore so don't count as part of the population.
Forums have a very select, very specific group of people that use them. Those people leaving forums only speaks to the status of that group of players. Seeing as they are the vast majority, you cannot use that specific group as an indicator of the whole. The industry agrees with me, and basic statistics agrees with me. GW2's game style inflates this even more seeing as the game is designed for casual play and forum goers usually aren't typically casual players. Or at least didn't start that way.
Ad hominems don't really set you apart as someone who has any interest in a debate way more than making a statement you feel is false. Especially when the people whose job it is to monitor player communities have acknowledged the statement. I am happy to debate with you, if you have any interest in following the standard rules of debate.