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Ragnadaam, on 17 December 2012 - 12:16 AM, said:

Thats just it the problems with GW2 pvp have nothing really to do with the numbers game, people of the same skill level will have an equal footing against each other, the problem is lack of interest in wanting to do so, which seems to be an overall problem not just relegated to pvp. What it lacks is not balance but debth, and any interest what so ever. You do not need to have a free for all skill based system with 350 skills to bring class and spec diversity, however 5 skill groups crammed into 20 which you will realistically usually take 2 from one group in most cases to have trait synergy. Then those skills are all just that fast castables. Along with rigid weapon loadouts directed towards dps spam. To put this in Magic the Gathering terms Imagine that everyone is playing red burn 60 card decks.  Now sure its balanced, but after a while everyone is bored to death. There are examples from modern games of far more interesting systems that dont pigeonhole playstyle like this, you dont have to either be pure skill based or a wow skill tree clone, Secret world even though it has no pvp has a Fantastic skill system or what Skyrim did. GW2 also has a discernable lack of not only meaningful CC, healing, but also passives. The argument is that well that its supposed to be that way because so much damage is done so fast that 1 second of fear is actually a  lot, but I call BS and do not agree with that at all. PVP also feels like busy work since for the most part Most people are playing condition specs and the conditions which are in fact just shitty dots need to be constantly reapplied turns pvp into droll mindless busy work usually in the area the size of a large AOE template. It not onlly is not casual friendly by its nature its just not very fun.

And for the love of god don't turn this into a epeen rage topic, not liking GW2s pvp doesn't mean those players have a lack of skill, Jesus.

XPhiler, on 16 December 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

The combat system itself, no, the diversity within that system, quite obviously yes. I dont find ten hot keys and learning combos all that challenging, thats not to say that that in itself is bad, but that lack of skill options within that system is, very few weapon options and few non dps options are also a problem.
While in my old age and vast experience GW2s combat SYSTEM is not that bad, its far from alien. It is not some great original thing, GW2 didn't invent skills or preset weapon attacks, as anyone who has played standard asian grinders can attest to . At core what GW2 did wrong was limit the amount of skills then bracketed them in to easy to control catagories so out of those 20 skills you realistically have 5 focus areas and the nature of the weapon system dictates a default dps playstyle along with short duration fast paced combat with little meaningful control or non dps activities that people need to keep pvp interesting.

Of course he can just watch pvp videos to determine this for himself and not throw his money away at rose tinted hype.

I doubt anyone who saw my posts a few months ago would have accused me of being a GW2 hater. However they have failed to add depth to PVP beyond dps spamming and its just a Zerg. They failed to capitalize on the very pve systems they put in place and have opted to trash all of that and do what they said they were not going to do. Now I see topics asking why they even have DEs when they are just going to make fractals for progression loot grinding later on. They promoted themselves as an Esport they cant even do RvR and make it interesting, how are they going to make a successful Esport. Not to mention on top of how utterly boring the pvp spec options are, dps or dps, hmm dps, the pvp mats are god awful. They have all these talented people and they manage to make pvp maps that feel ike 4X4 boxes. I played better maps on N64 playing Perfect Dark and you know I am right.

I mean I was optomistic and took up for the game but it seems to be built for a 2 month dead end. As soon as we all figured out how to spec and had all the combo fields, specs, other combos and synergies down, you quickly realize the so called hybrids are all heavy dps with accents, roaming, zerging and Bunker. I don't care what logic you come up with, pvp built around 95% depedendy on pure dps is a shoot out and I can just Play Halo if I want that.

Chances are by the time the next expansion is out Necromancers will still be broken, vampirism will still be utterly useless and Rangers still won't use shouts, they will ignore or just scrap the DEs they had in mind and do more fking fractals because everyone of course wants more phat lootz.

I love it when people say you are not playing GW2 right, like its their fault the game is boring as hell, ITS BORING. Its just that simple, the game is boring as hell. There is not a nice way of saying the game puts me to sleep. It doesnt have to be that way but GW2 has ignored all the interesting aspects of the game that are either broken, bugged or underpowered, etc. and just adds crap none of us wanted in the first place. Christ even the gear grinders who wanted 20 man raids a few months ago think its sucks, they dont know what the hell kind of game they want to be, and you can tell.

Combat system was still horrible when I left, doubt that has changed much.
I would wait until the next expansion and get feedback after they decide what kind of mmo they want to be, since apparently they still do not know.

Might as well they already have rails.