Obscure One, on 24 November 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:
Quite the contrary, I've been through more business classes than I care to list...it's how I figured out I didn't want to get my BS in Business...though that is beside the point, and it would seem you've been tragically missing mine.
If I were to tell you I'm selling you a statue of an eagle, and go to great lengths to convince you it will be a magnificent statue that breaks the conventional notions of statue design you would expect to get it as described. Now imagine instead of an eagle, I give you a dolphin, which obviously was made using very traditional design techniques. No matter how much of a masterpiece that the dolphin statue may be, and no mater how much you may or may not like it, it is unquestionably a failure to deliver upon the design concept.
Your comments are not relevant to that notion, but rather to general game success or failure, which are not at all relevant to my statements. I find that the most successful MMO, World of Warcraft, to be a detestable game that I refuse to play due to the exacting elements that have permeated GW2. The success of any product has nothing to do with whether or not I personally find it entertaining (ex: the Twilight movie series was a major success and a cult phenomenon among "tween" girls, yet I find the very mention of it repulsive), but based upon its ability to turn a profit and retain the business of the targeted consumer.
Yes, the reason I added the parenthetical comment about Skyrim is because I've gotten vastly more entertainment value out of it, and even continue to do so, than other games at the same price point. I can say the same for Oblivion and Morrowind on my account.
It was probably a good decision to not go after that business degree... Did you go into drama or journalism instead by any chance? The ONLY reasonable options for why you are still playing the game are that you are either misrepresenting how much you dislike it, or you are making a very very very basic irrational decision to continue playing it out of a misguided attempt to make up for a sunk cost. Those are literally the only reasonable options. I'm sorry you can't admit that to yourself. Obviously there are some other unreasonable options, such as being forced to play it against your will, or having literally nothing better (of more value) to do with your time, but I am going out on a limb and making another assumption that that is not true.
Going back to your previous post I do see that you said "failed to deliver on design concepts." So I apologize for misunderstanding when you later said simply "failed on nearly every level." I see now that you were probably still only talking about delivering on initial design concepts. Sorry for the mistake!
Obscure One, on 24 November 2012 - 10:03 AM, said:
Not quite...you seem to be jumping to a broad conclusion and insinuating my intent without precedent.
Everything, especially an entertainment product has a certain amount of a value ratio to it involved. For instance I could go to see a movie for $8 and be entertained for 90-120 min., or I could go ride around on a Go-Kart track for $5 for 5 min. One is a better value than the other, and I apply this same concept to my games. Hence the amount of time I can be genuinely entertained by GW2 should mirror the amount I spent relative to other similar purchases (especially since I sprung for the CE...the statue is awesome regardless of game design flaws...). In that light, if I play GW2 roughly another 50 hours, I'll brake even on the deal when compared to other MMO's I've paid for (including sub fees) relative to the entertainment value, but if I can still have fun with it beyond that, I will. Notably, I did quit for about a two week stent where I just went back to playing around with Skyrim mods (a game that I need not keep track of how much entertainment value I've gotten out of), neglecting GW2 entirely. Hell I even recall playing ME3 a bit (another game I love to hate) before finally getting back to GW2 due to friends wanting me in WvW with them.
Now as far as success or failure is concerned, it is far to early to know. The MMO genre is the most volatile and unforgiving of all genres I can think of. One day the game is being heralded as "The WoW Slayer", the next every zone is deserted and your game is going F2P (just ask the SWTOR fans). Time will tell if GW2 was a success or a flop, and insinuating any of the statements I made were a claim to either is objectionable.
You used a lot of words to explain that you don't know the meaning of "sunk cost" and "opportunity cost." Despite how you feel, you are not obligated to play the game just because you spent money on it. If you could get more value out of doing something else, that would be a better use of your time. Every moment you spend playing a game that is not entertaining to you is actually COSTING you more value because you are missing out on something else that would be more worth your time.
While you can say that the entertainment should mirror the value of other games, it can easily be the case that you just made a bad purchase and should move on. If the game is really that bad, it makes no sense to keep playing it. That is pretty basic reasoning. So the fact remains that you either enjoy the game much more than you want to admit, you have absolutely nothing better to do, or you are making an irrational decision to keep playing it.
Now you are right that I have to make one glaring assumption for this reasoning to be accurate. I assume you play games for the entertainment value they provide. If that is a mistaken assumption, then I deeply apologize.
P.S. Just to clarify, is the Skyrim parenthetical just because you have already "gotten your value" out of it? Or are you not keeping track for some other reason? Just curious.
[Edit]: Oh, and for the success/failure I was simply pointing out that even with them, according to you, failing at nearly everything, there is still a part of the game that appeals enough to you to continue playing it for 3 more months. So while they may please some people with the new changes, and displease others, there are still parts of the game that individual people like enough to ignore the parts that they don't like. And the game is designed in such a way that those people can just play the parts they truly enjoy. That in itself doesn't seem like a complete failure. It seems more like a broad spectrum success. (So far... )
I really didn't care at all about the new gear tier, but I'm getting pretty annoyed at not being able to get my hands on a vial of condensed mist. I want a quiver for my ranger, and there's no way to get one without having a lucky drop. 60 completed fractals and still no purple mist. What the hell?
Illein, on 24 November 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:
Or you are just being unlucky... Wish they wouldn't have made them Accountbound, I found 5 of them so far ~80 Fractals, which I have no use for. Just like the 4 globs I got