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A beautifully crafted game that is still waiting for the "best elements" that Guild Wars 1 has to offer

Wasted potential.

This game is the kool-aid flavor I drank for its color as a kid.

A massive PvP disappointment after looking forward to it for years.

what's the point of adding new professions? they would all do the same boring thing: dps, a few support, self heal.

they need to add new skills and increase the possibility to focus more on specific roles.

There is no benefit to adding more classes. Expand the existing classes and at the most (yes the most meaning this isn't even necessary) add a new race.

Hopefully Anet hasn't forgotten ALL they learned from GW1 and doesn't shoot balancing in the foot by adding more classes.

That video was quite educational - that's for posting it!

Uhhsam, on 16 March 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

I think it's important to remember that intrinsic vs. extrinsic can be quite subjective.  I found world completion very intrinsically rewarding (until I got to the WvW part).  I really enjoyed exploring every part of the world and seeing what the developers had created.  So the 2 Gifts of exploration I got for completion were intrinsic rewards 'for me.'  If I wanted to make a 3rd Legendary and had to do world completion all over again, then it moves into the extrinsic realm.  

After watching that video I realize that there is a good portion of both I and E rewards in the game for me, but my I satisfaction outweighs the E.

pumpkin pie, on 14 March 2013 - 12:12 PM, said:

So, even if I am playing this game the way you think I am (which I'm not) if the game lets me play it that way, how am I playing it wrong? But that is really a discussion for a different thread. By the way, I am a mesmer and I play in WvW and I don't play unlike any other player in the game in that regards. So, if you want to tell me I'm playing wrong, then I guess every mesmer in WvW is playing the game wrong.

If, however, you disgree with why I think this game is porrly designed, then you say it. Saying I'm playing the game wrong is just plain stupid.

So, here is where I show you why you are wrong. You think that having a single heal on my skillbar (we had this in GW1 too FYI) is sufficient healing in this game, then you are wrong. It isn't. And the problem is that without sufficient healing, you have multiple problems, which are facts in this game:

1) Content is stupid easy. If you think any part of this game is hard you are playing it wrong or you suck at MMO's. This is perhaps the easiest MMO ever made. The difference between most mobs and bosses is hitpoints.

2) There is no other game mode except for capture points in PvP. Why? Because there isn't suffiecent healing to have any other game mode because people kill eachother too damn quick

3) There is no strategy to the game. Now, before you talk about dodging and crap like that, those are called tactics, not strategy. The reason there is no strategy is because everyone dies too quickly and the game is too easy to need strategy.

Here is why all of this happens: because no matter what you think - THE ABSOLUTE FACT is that healing in this game is not powerful enough to keep a party alive in the middle of battle for any sufficient length of time.

There is nothing in this game to mitigate damage enough to have interesting combat.

So, if you want to come back and say I'm playing the game wrong - go ahead. You are missing the point completely and being naive about why this game lacks interesting and strategic combat.

If, however, you like playing a game on super easy beginner mode and don't like to be immersed in the world around you and generally don't care about feeling like you've accomplished something relative to its difficulty - then yes, this is the perfect game for you.

So, please, do me a favor and read the thread before you tell me I'm playing the game wrong and actually try to further the thread with intelligent discussion instead of derailing it with boring rhetoric.

FoxBat, on 13 March 2013 - 03:08 PM, said:

So you think GvG was boring? I know a few people that would vehemently disagree. Although, VoD was yet another bad idea by ArenaNet.

Methinks you never played competitive GvG.

Also, warriors weren't good flag runners.

XPhiler, on 13 March 2013 - 12:05 PM, said:

I think you are being obtuse.

What people mean is that the trinity is at its foundation a set of roles in the party. Instead, you hold it to be certain capabilities in the classes of the game. That is, though, not true.
A racing game is not a team game and therefore I don't see how it can be a trinity. Team games, though, profit greatly from having roles. And almost always, three roles is the magic number for exciting gameplay. This is because three roles let you bring out not only the bait and the switch, but also the counter.
Let me explain: in your typical MMO trinity, you have the bait, which is the tank. His job is to attract the game's representatives of challenge - the mobs. Having done that, the switch is brought in: the DPS. Damage is applied on the mobs until they are dead. However this makes for boring play, so a third role exists: the counter. The game's representatives will project challenge - damage, that is - on, if things go as they should, the bait. But damage kills you. In a team game, the cohesion of the team is the thing being challenged, so the survival of the bait is up to the counter, which is the healer.

That is the MMO trinity explained, and nowhere in all of that does it say that the bait, switch or counter need to be special classes. They just need to have the capacity to fulfill their role. Of course some games place such capabilities with certain classes, but that is specific to the game. It doesn't have to be like that.

To return to racing games: you could create a team-based racing game with bait, switch and counter, and it'd be the trinity.

I get the point about currency multiplication, but If GW2 as a whole is "too complicated" for an MMO, I may have to give up all hope in humanity.

mdapol, on 11 March 2013 - 11:31 PM, said:

Lamborghinis, Ferraris, and Porsches may all be resold for a significant portion of their original value.

XPhiler, on 11 March 2013 - 11:08 AM, said:

Choice =/= better gameplay.

In large part, developers get carried away with the idea of choice, and end up ruining great things. In this case, they made very shallow classes that have very little differentiation. Part of trinity systems is the feeling of importance and usefulness, the healers, dps, and tanks all know what to do, and feel like they are contributing meaningful things to groups. You can argue all you want that the gw2 system allows the same thing, but that is an illusion players cast upon themselves. Being able to be swapped out with any other level 80 player in pretty much any gear doesn't make me feel like a hero or a part of the group.

By offering this "choice" of "play how you want" they made what could have been a deep and meaningful tactical MMO into a zergfest of the same class with different skins running around doing stuff for no tangible gain.

Some will argue that the game is more tactical than other MMO's, but that is still an illusion gamers cast upon themselves. Real tactics come from players with different strengths and weaknesses coming together and fighting towards a common goal.

With no feeling of community or class differences, gw2 falls way short as a meaningful MMO game with any real goals.

I know it's hard for new gamers to understand, and your logic will dictate that everything I say is wrong, but just remember we come from different generations of gaming.

Bryant Again, on 07 March 2013 - 12:36 PM, said:

Some of the most interesting content, IMO, has been casually eavesdropping on the NPC dialogue that's basically just ambiance...

NuclearDonut, on 05 March 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:

Trahearne, Oh Trahearne,
It is you I spurn
And I hope you burn
Upon you I would not pee.

Hey this is fun
Look what I've done
Victory won
In my locality

Choices were made
Decisions grave
Did it my way
This story about me

Then look who's this
With spindly stick wrists
Who almosts lisps
Up alongside me?

First he follows
Through plains and hollows
Then a vision throws
Emphasis off me!

The weird plant chick
moves like a dick
and puts that prick
In charge for eternity.

The rest is a coda
I fetch him his soda
Fresca, not cola
And his bitch I must be.

The Pact sayeth
He can maketh
Me smuggle meth
This is his story.

The plot goes bare
I walk everywhere
He's not even there
For Zhaitan's expiry.

Arenanet, who
wrote a Mary Sue
does laugh at you
and counts money.

There is no arc
or any real spark
Creepy eyes so dark
No hero's journey

What I'm to do?
He can go to
Hell and screw you
That's enough for me.

But all the same
It's but a lame
Part of the game
There's more to see.

You say "Good Act!"
Like it's a fact
and I overreact
but I must be

Contrary and
take up the stand
your head's in sand
Wake up buddy

The little green twat
is a vile rat
Better than that
This stupid poem be!

Trahearne, Oh Trahearne,
It is you I spurn
And I hope you burn
Upon you I would not pee.

As for how to solve the "paradox", it's not hard at all.  If the story is about Trahearne doing things to accomplish this end, then just tell that story.

1.  Give Trahearne a character arc.  They gave Tybalt a great character arc with far less resources invested.

2.  Make Trahearne likeable or sympathetic and not a Mary Sue.

3.  Make the plot in such a way that the biggest middle finger we can give the dragon is to ensure Trahearne wins.

Use the Hero's Journey where Trahearne is the hero, easiest story in the world, already written for you.  Make the PC be the Hans Solo to Trahearne's Skywalker.  It wouldn't solve all the problems but it'd be easily done and so much better.